T. Boone Picken's Commercial for Wind Power

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    Jul 08, 2008 10:34 PM GMT
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    Jul 09, 2008 9:43 PM GMT
    Am I a sucker for being kind of excited about this? Not perfect, but it is at least a plan. The notion that it could be implemented by either a Democratic or Republican president is very appealing to me.

    Has anyone read into this more extensively?
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    Jul 09, 2008 9:55 PM GMT
    I always knew that there would be a tipping point for alternative energy resources and efforts. But it often takes a big investor, and he may just be it. I've watched a couple of news interviews and just caught his actual commercial live yesterday. Basically, he's planned this for a while and will be presenting his "business case" over a period of time to the public. Can you imagine how expensive the advertising campaign must be?

    Personally, I'm invested in it. If he asked me to be a Project Manager for him, I quit my job today.
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    Jul 09, 2008 10:10 PM GMT
    OK this is a bit of a risk for me to write, so everyone, be fucking cool.

    About a decade ago I wanted to buy a tech company. It happened to be owned by the son of a famous oil pirate, who, at the timed, lived in the south.

    I went through all the due diligence on this thing, and mostly it was ok.

    Then, I made a very good offer for the company (very advanced Identification technology). I got a letter back from the board telling me they wanted $1 Billion (this was maybe 99, Internet bubble, pre Bush, but still a seriously BS reply). All I could do was laugh, and walk away.

    Then this son of a very famous oil explorer was ousted for the board for taking improper loans against some water utilities he owned with his very famous dad. Do you get my drift.

    For a long time I have said that projected energy supply is entirely a function of the cost of conversion of the raw materials. For example, if you have gas at $4 a gallon the the economics of converting Canadian Shale all become very attractive.

    Mr. Pickens is the largest mineral rights owner in Canada for shale, something he has been buying for a long time.

    When the shark bites it is not because he is mean, it is because it is in his nature to bite.

    Just keep that in mind when you watch this CRAP on television.

    With much love for my fellow man,
    Terry, Mary, Harry, Fairy
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    Jul 09, 2008 10:37 PM GMT
    There's a huge rush on for building wind farms around here. You can't go down the interstate without dodging a few big components being transported. But...

    1) It's still totally dependent on tax subsidies. When the tax breaks go away, the investors go away.

    2) There's still no plan for dealing with the uncontrollable and transient supply. The plan in this region is supposed to be to balance wind output with hydro output. But they don't really match (last week, the grid had to do an emergency shut off of all the wind farms.) And the greenies want to shut down all the hydropower generation, anyway. This problem could be solved, but it won't be.

    3) Once the wind farms start going up, the greenies start railing about the evils of windpower. (Turns out, it's all a vast right-wing conspiracy, causes cancer, destroys the environment, etc.) It's only politically correct as long as it remains hypothetical. It looks like they may succeed in torpedoeing the one that was supposed to go up on our hill next year. That doesn't bother me too much... I'm not really looking forward to 50 strobe lights in the sky all night.
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    Jul 09, 2008 11:18 PM GMT
    wind turbines do not work well as large fields that try to feed an entire grid.

    They work better supporting smaller communities as supplemental power.

    This guy is a shareholder of the company that's making the turbines...

    Read up on him and you will realize he is just another Texan making it seem like we need something desperately to save us from doom so that he and his company can make moneys.....

    Sorry. Close but no cigar.

    Not hating the wind turbines, they're awesome... just not to be used like he proposes.


    PLUS read up on how artificial fertilizer is made. If you do, you will notice that artificial fertilizer is made from natural gas heated by natural gas blah blah details details, the important point is, according to his plan we have to divert all natural gas to somewhere else and that places a strain on artificial fertilizer production which in turn pluts us at a point where we have to once again choose between food vs. energy.

    Not good.
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    Jul 09, 2008 11:46 PM GMT
    ursamajor saidOK this is a bit of a risk for me to write, so everyone, be fucking cool.

    About a decade ago I wanted to buy a tech company. It happened to be owned by the son of a famous oil pirate, who, at the timed, lived in the south.

    I went through all the due diligence on this thing, and mostly it was ok.

    Then, I made a very good offer for the company (very advanced Identification technology). I got a letter back from the board telling me they wanted $1 Billion (this was maybe 99, Internet bubble, pre Bush, but still a seriously BS reply). All I could do was laugh, and walk away.

    Then this son of a very famous oil explorer was ousted for the board for taking improper loans against some water utilities he owned with his very famous dad. Do you get my drift.

    For a long time I have said that projected energy supply is entirely a function of the cost of conversion of the raw materials. For example, if you have gas at $4 a gallon the the economics of converting Canadian Shale all become very attractive.

    Mr. Pickens is the largest mineral rights owner in Canada for shale, something he has been buying for a long time.

    When the shark bites it is not because he is mean, it is because it is in his nature to bite.

    Just keep that in mind when you watch this CRAP on television.

    With much love for my fellow man,
    Terry, Mary, Harry, Fairy


    Terry - You are so right on! icon_biggrin.gif My grandfather always taught me that a "leopard never changes his spots" and although it is true there is some merit in wind power, there also has to be another motivating factor behind Mr. Pickins commercial.....