Palestinian defends Israel on South Africa campus (Plus a civil discussion between myself and IanCT)

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    Mar 12, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    Palestinian defends Israel on South Africa campus

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=465818

    25-year-old Muslim Bushra Khalilieh, a member of Israel's Arab minority in the Galilee.

    ..."We toured Johannesburg and Cape Town’s campuses and met local students," she said.

    "We spoke with them about Israel and I told them about my personal issue as an Arab girl living in Israel. I feel Israel to be my hometown where there’s equality and I have all my rights.”

    "When students hear us, they are surprised as there are some who do not even know there are Arabs living in Israel. I, as an Arab Israeli girl, love my country and believe that it seeks peace and respects all its citizens.”

    Khalilieh, a masters student at Tel Aviv University, stressed that she represents herself and not the position of the Israeli government.

    “I represent myself as a Muslim Arab who lives in Israel as a liberal and free girl unlike other Arab girls who live in Arab countries and do not have the human rights I have like freedom of expression and dignity.”

    She added: "There are people who are calling to boycott us and say that there is apartheid in Israel, but I try to show Israel as a country that’s different from what they think."

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    Maan News is a Palestinian Arab newspaper
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    Mar 12, 2012 3:24 PM GMT
    Almost more interesting than the story is that Maan News covered it.
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    Mar 12, 2012 10:30 PM GMT
    thanks for the article. pretty interesting and true.
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    Apr 15, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
    Why don't Israelis support the one state solution?
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    Apr 16, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    Because Jews don't want to live as dhimmis.

    Palestinian Arabs - I'm sure you remember all the cries for "self-determination" - prefer the two-state solution, too.
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    Apr 16, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    Its nice some Arabs live in peace in Israel, if that were the end of the story for Arabic(semitic) people that would be great.

    But the bigger story is that people like LIL'AIPAC (W4) don't tell the whole story, that includes settlers taking Palestinians homes, land and farms because they believe that Palestinians home is in Jordan, not where they have lived, farmed and owned homes for centuries in East Jerusalem, The West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

    These Zionist Zealots like LIL'AIPAC leave out that our tax dollars go to support this Settler theft of land, homes and destruction of Palestinians farms, Olive groves and ETC. All the advertisements by Christian Fundi's to help the poor islraeli Settlers don't tell that their donations go to support those Settlers who would kick Palestinians from their homes, farms and lands and squat on it while being subsidized by the Israeli government and Christian donations.


    LIL'AIPAC, your notorious here on RJ for only telling the Zionist Propaganda talking points. The full story you see isn't so glamorous.

    True Democracy is far different than the way the current Israeli LIKUD government under NetanYaho is operating while maintaining the Occupation, claiming to seek peace on the one hand while stealing Palestinians homes lands and farms with the other hand.


    In short LIL'AIPAC, your an obnoxious liar for an oppressive Zionist Regime.
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    Apr 17, 2012 1:39 AM GMT
    "Dhimmis" Welcome to the 21st century... There is no so-called "Dhimmis" under the Fatah rule. Who said it will be a Dhimmis for a one state solution? The real obstacle to a two state solution is israel continuing to steal Palestinian land while stalling for time to create ILLEGAL settlements to the tune of 550,000 ILLEGAL violent jew religious fanatics backed up by tanks..F15 jets..and a govt that lies to the world about their actions and intentions...

    Better than living under halachic state
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    Apr 17, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
    Israel isn't a "halachic" state.

    Fatah's Constitution states that Sharia is the highest law of the land.

    There are more Arabs living in Israel than there are Jews living in the territories.
    Why is the latter a problem?
    Let alone one that precludes the two-state solution?
    (Especially if by minor adjustments the majority can remain in Israel and a minority, if they must, can be uprooted?)


    Riddle me this:

    From 1949-1967, when under Arab rule, there was no impetus to establish a Palestinian Arab state.
    The PLO was created in 1964 not for that end, but to destroy Israel.

    From 1967 to the mid-1990s, the call was for "Palestinian self-determination".
    Because Jordan/Egypt couldn't claim Tel-Aviv or Haifa.
    The design was that Arab Palestine would replace Israel.

    Yet as the two-state solution became possible, an Arab state peacefully coexisting with the Jewish state...
    ...suddenly those who clamored for "self-determination" for decades abandon this in favor of a single "binational" state?
    Because the former wouldn't destroy Israel but be side-by-side?

    See what I mean about faux "principles" for-the-cause?
    The real underlying principle, which has remained consistent, is "destroy Israel".

    No wonder the Palestinian Arab leaders never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity to make peace.
    They're not interested in peace with Israel. Only in "peace" (total victory) withOUT Israel.
    Thus they avoid peace summits - or walk out of them, imposing ransom demands in the form of unilateral concessions to resume.
    They play games rather than negotiate in good faith to reach an agreement.
    Because they can't achieve their real desires via negotiations.

    Look how they carry on. After all that, they complain at how long and fruitless negotiations are.
    A self-fulfilling prophecy to reject rather than encourage real negotiations.

    Now consider some milestones:

    In 2001, one of Arafat's chieftains compared the Oslo peace process to a "wooden [Trojan] horse", designed to get fighters into the territories. Explaining further that "the Intifada itself is the coming down out of the horse" and that "the Oslo agreement, or any other agreement, is just a temporary procedure... this means that we are ambushing the Israelis and cheating them."

    In 2004, another of Arafat's chieftains said: "We have to decide now: Are we going to have war or peace?" Obviously the decision hadn't yet been made before (forget Oslo!) and seems then the choice was for war/terrorism.

    In 2008, Abass's chief negotiator said: "What matters is that we have begun to participate and cooperate."
    This right before Abbas walked out of negotiations, again.

    How odd that after decades of Palestinian delays, they twist that delays benefit Israel thus it must be Israel's doing.
    Yet there was no delay in making peace with Egypt or Jordan when they finally came to the table.


    Reality: those who claim the two-state solution is dead are the war-mongers who opposed it all along and who continue to attempt to sabotage it with this false argument of its death.

    If the Palestinian Arabs are willing to compromise there will be a two state solution and peace.
    Are you?

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    Apr 18, 2012 2:28 AM GMT
    Let me guess.. you're mistaken Hamas, not Fatah?

    There are about 18% Jews in the West Bank (smaller than Israel) and about 20% of Palestinians living in Israel.


    1. Palestinians living in Israel did not left, only small percentage of the whole population in Israel.

    2. Some Jews in the West Bank steal Palestinian homes or taking land. Palestinians on other hand in Israel did not.

    3. Israel has to be a Jewish majority. It is halachic state.

    4. If you say Israel allows Palestinian in the Israeli Knesset. Then I should say that Fatah allows Israeli in the Palestine National Council / Revolutionary Council of Fatah. It's either a one state or two state solution.

    5. Both are sharing stamps, money, and both are speaking Hebrew and Arabic.
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    Apr 18, 2012 2:18 PM GMT
    1. PA Constitution states that Sharia is the highest law of the land.

    IanCT> you're mistaken Hamas

    Nope. The Palestinian Authority:
    Article 4:
    1.Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained.
    2.The principles of Islamic Shari'a shall be the main source of legislation.

    Article 101:
    1. Sharia' affairs and personal status shall be assumed by Sharia' and religious courts in accordance with law.

    No Christian or Jewish courts, let alone secular ones.

    Really, you didn't know this?
    You know every wart in Israel, but overlook this?


    2. There are more Arabs living in Israel than there are Jews living in the territories.
    Why is the latter a problem?
    Let alone one that precludes the two-state solution?
    (Especially if by minor adjustments the majority can remain in Israel and a minority, if they must, can be uprooted?)


    IanCT> There are about 18% Jews in the West Bank (smaller than Israel) and about 20% of Palestinians living in Israel.

    Thanks for confirming that the number of Arabs in Israel is higher, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage.

    Under the "Projection of Israeli Proposal" posted by pouncer back in December, with border modifications and land swaps 88% of the Jews living in the territories can be incorporated into Israel, leaving just 12% in Arab Palestine-to-be. Making Jews - if they aren't evacuated - just 2.2% of the population.

    So let me ask again:

    2A. Why is a few Jews in the territories a problem?

    2B. How does this preclude the two-state solution?


    3. Those who claim the two-state solution is dead are the war-mongers who opposed it all along and who continue to attempt to sabotage it with this false argument of its death. (Evidence above.)

    IanCT> ?


    4. If the Palestinian Arabs are willing to compromise there will be a two state solution and peace.
    Are YOU open to compromise and peace?


    IanCT> ?

    Why the silence?
    Is it because your one-state "solution" is just a ruse to destroy Israel?


    5. Contradiction: IanCT opposes Jews "settling" (living) in the territories but is now pushing a "one-state 'solution'"?
    Is this one-state going to say that Jews aren't allowed to live in eastern Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria & Gaza?
    If so, then we see what you really have in mind.
    If not, then why do you oppose Jews living in these places?


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    Apr 22, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidVery happy to see Caesarea4 / Wolverine4 has opened up a new topic so that the Arab-Israeli war here on RJ can continue....




    Well the LIL'AIPAC (C-4 / W4) 'gopher' has to pop up for air every now and then, because up on the real world 'turf' we well versed students of Middle East have bombarded him with facts. He'll go back in his hole soon because there's too many facts coming at him to last very long without having to seek cover from what he doesn't want to face as a 'gopher'.



    Too bad LIL'AIPAC doesn't have the good sense to know that we all know there is more to this sham story he's trying to pass as an excuse that all is well in Palestine. Not gonna happen under the Zionist Israeli Occupation.

    LIL'AIPAC, Go bark up another tree where there are more fools than here on RJ to believe your bullshit.
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    Apr 22, 2012 6:34 PM GMT
    The Hypocritical LIL'AIPAC asks one question that exposes him entirely.



    The blind Zionist Ideolog LIL'AIPAC asks:


    "ARE YOU OPEN TO COMPROMISE AND PEACE" ? lets disect this question from this Zionist Zealot who is promoting theft of land daily from the Palestinians, He has repeated his Ideology that he doesn't at all think that continueing to build settlements on stolen Palestinian land is a block to peace, and sees no need to compromise and stop the theft of land and settlement building.

    IF this ZIONIST FANATIC IS SERIOUS then he has absolutely no common sense at all.


    LIL'AIPAC, you fucking idiot, no place in the world does it work to say your seeking peace and compromise while stealing from those you supposedly seek peace with. Your an embarassment to clear thinking, fairminded Israeli's who see right through this Hypocrisy.

    What kind of a fool would ask such a question as he is approving of theft on one side while hypocritically trying to play peacemaker ?? OMF'nG !!!


    Here's a little common sense example that maybe LIL'AIPAC can understand.



    LIL'AIPAC and I sit at a table in a Pizza Hut, to make peace with each other, we dicide to get a Pizza and share it to break the 'ice'. The pizza is delivered, LIL'AIPAC, takes the Pizza in front of him and say's "do you want to compromise and get along with me? Then he wraps one arm around the Pizza to block my getting a piece, he takes the best piece of Pizza with his free hand and starts eating it, while telling me that he'll give me some If I compromise and try to get along with him. I look dumbfounded at him for acting like this, then he says "WHAT'S WRONG" as he finishes his first piece of Pizza and takes another saying, want you to have some of this, but I'm going to eat it on my own until you prove you'll compromise and try to get along. LOL DO YOU GET THE PICTURE LIL'AIPAC ?
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    Apr 22, 2012 9:14 PM GMT
    Hey LIL'AIPAC you damn fool, Keep Eating up that Pizza while telling the guy on the other side of the table that you plan on giving him most of it. He'll certainly be impressed with your willingness to "COMPROMISE AND SEEK PEACE" that can only come from stopping your thievery right before his eyes.


    If your really not reading this, the common sense expressed then behind your back is making you and your one sided dialog look like a damn idiot !!


    You Zionist thieves keep dreaming of fooling someone into believing you actually want compromise and peace while stealing under the Palestinians full gaze. Yessireee !!! How's that working for ya ?


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    Apr 23, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
    realifedad said The Hypocritical LIL'AIPAC asks one question that exposes him entirely.



    The blind Zionist Ideolog LIL'AIPAC asks:


    "ARE YOU OPEN TO COMPROMISE AND PEACE" ? lets disect this question from this Zionist Zealot who is promoting theft of land daily from the Palestinians, He has repeated his Ideology that he doesn't at all think that continueing to build settlements on stolen Palestinian land is a block to peace, and sees no need to compromise and stop the theft of land and settlement building.

    IF this ZIONIST FANATIC IS SERIOUS then he has absolutely no common sense at all.


    LIL'AIPAC, you fucking idiot, no place in the world does it work to say your seeking peace and compromise while stealing from those you supposedly seek peace with. Your an embarassment to clear thinking, fairminded Israeli's who see right through this Hypocrisy.

    What kind of a fool would ask such a question as he is approving of theft on one side while hypocritically trying to play peacemaker ?? OMF'nG !!!


    Here's a little common sense example that maybe LIL'AIPAC can understand.



    LIL'AIPAC and I sit at a table in a Pizza Hut, to make peace with each other, we dicide to get a Pizza and share it to break the 'ice'. The pizza is delivered, LIL'AIPAC, takes the Pizza in front of him and say's "do you want to compromise and get along with me? Then he wraps one arm around the Pizza to block my getting a piece, he takes the best piece of Pizza with his free hand and starts eating it, while telling me that he'll give me some If I compromise and try to get along with him. I look dumbfounded at him for acting like this, then he says "WHAT'S WRONG" as he finishes his first piece of Pizza and takes another saying, want you to have some of this, but I'm going to eat it on my own until you prove you'll compromise and try to get along. LOL DO YOU GET THE PICTURE LIL'AIPAC ?







    LIL'AIPAC are you still avoiding "COMPROMISE AND PEACE" by supporting the theft of Palestinian land for settlement building while claiming to want peace ?

    And you wonder why you damn Zionist thieves are scorned around the world and that Israel in your own words "is more isolated now then ever before ?

    You godam idiots are practicing hypocritical tactics that even kindergarden children know better than using in their relations with their fellow classmates. Even they would know better than to claim they want to give away their pizza while still eating it in front of the person they claim to be giving it to


    But you keep ignoring this point LIL'AIPAC, because your making your propaganda look all the more foolish by doing so.
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    Apr 23, 2012 2:47 PM GMT
    Which, if any of these points, were addressed by the hidden member who just posted?
    (I'm guessing the answer is "none", that we just got another dose of his hate-induced on-line turrets.)

    If I'm wrong and for once in his life he was actually able to address a point of substance, rather than trying to hijack or blow up a discussion, let me know.


    1. PA Constitution states that Sharia is the highest law of the land.

    IanCT> you're mistaken Hamas

    Nope. The Palestinian Authority:
    Article 4:
    1.Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained.
    2.The principles of Islamic Shari'a shall be the main source of legislation.

    Article 101:
    1. Sharia' affairs and personal status shall be assumed by Sharia' and religious courts in accordance with law.

    No Christian or Jewish courts, let alone secular ones.

    Really, you didn't know this?
    You know every wart in Israel, but overlook this?


    2. There are more Arabs living in Israel than there are Jews living in the territories.
    Why is the latter a problem?
    Let alone one that precludes the two-state solution?
    (Especially if by minor adjustments the majority can remain in Israel and a minority, if they must, can be uprooted?)


    IanCT> There are about 18% Jews in the West Bank (smaller than Israel) and about 20% of Palestinians living in Israel.

    Thanks for confirming that the number of Arabs in Israel is higher, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage.

    Under the "Projection of Israeli Proposal" posted by pouncer back in December, with border modifications and land swaps 88% of the Jews living in the territories can be incorporated into Israel, leaving just 12% in Arab Palestine-to-be. Making Jews - if they aren't evacuated - just 2.2% of the population.

    So let me ask again:

    2A. Why is a few Jews in the territories a problem?

    2B. How does this preclude the two-state solution?


    3. Those who claim the two-state solution is dead are the war-mongers who opposed it all along and who continue to attempt to sabotage it with this false argument of its death. (Evidence above.)

    IanCT> ?


    4. If the Palestinian Arabs are willing to compromise there will be a two state solution and peace.
    Are YOU open to compromise and peace?


    IanCT> ?

    Why the silence?
    Is it because your one-state "solution" is just a ruse to destroy Israel?


    5. Contradiction: IanCT opposes Jews "settling" (living) in the territories but is now pushing a "one-state 'solution'"?
    Is this one-state going to say that Jews aren't allowed to live in eastern Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria & Gaza?
    If so, then we see what you really have in mind.
    If not, then why do you oppose Jews living in these places?


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    Apr 23, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidCaesarea4,

    To whom are you addressing your comments???



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    Probably our special fanatical RJ nut, RLD
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    Apr 23, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidCaesarea4,

    To whom are you addressing your comments???



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    Probably our special fanatical RJ nut, RLD




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    LOL !!!!! the "BOMB IRAN NOW" fanatic calls others fanatic for being against war and exposing facts against his christian fundi Ideology that is pushing to "BOMBING IRAN NOW". Funny how religious bible thumpers can justify anything in the name of their jezuz.
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    Apr 23, 2012 6:00 PM GMT
    Did IanCT request the rabid barking dog to disrupt this forum topic because he can't address the points?
    Or does RLD blast away because it's pathological and he can't stop himself?
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    Apr 23, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidDid IanCT request the rabid barking dog to disrupt this forum topic because he can't address the points?
    Or does RLD blast away because it's pathological and he can't stop himself?





    "Did IanCT request the rabid barking dog to disrupt this forum topic because he can't address the points?

    Or does RLD blast away because it's pathological and he can't stop himself?
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    It's pathological. The old geezer RLD can't help himself as he's both frantic and fanatical, but what else he gonna do when he ain't got nobody?
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    Wolverine4 saidDid IanCT request the rabid barking dog to disrupt this forum topic because he can't address the points?
    Or does RLD blast away because it's pathological and he can't stop himself?





    "Did IanCT request the rabid barking dog to disrupt this forum topic because he can't address the points?

    Or does RLD blast away because it's pathological and he can't stop himself?
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    It's pathological. The old geezer RLD can't help himself as he's both frantic and fanatical, but what else he gonna do when he ain't got nobody?






    Lets look above and see if the ZIONIST IDEOLOG has backed off of his hypocritical request for compromise and peace while still clinging to his mantra that building settlements on stolen Palestinian land is not a problem to peace.


    OOOOPS !!! ZIP !!! no such retraction upon close inspection from LIL'AIPAC, just the same repetition of Zionist Propaganda.


    OLD GEEZER, you still posting those fanatical Christian Fundi Backed bombing vids ?

    Its truely amazing to watch fanatics back their theft of others homeland and terrible bombings and the like, fanaticism can make anything right as long as it forwards their fanatical Ideology. My and others Spelling out facts that refute despotic fanatic actions is so distasteful to them and their ideology that they actually believe their own lies that place labels on their enemies that fit themselves best.


    Any more accusations LIL'AIPAC ? OLD GEEZER ?
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    Apr 24, 2012 5:55 AM GMT
    I'll tell ya, those silly Palestinians.

    Let's see how long it takes that old geezer RLD and his little sidekick Pouncer to get here.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/palestinian-sentenced-death-selling-home-jews_640592.html

    "Palestinian Sentenced to Death for Selling a Home to Jews

    Daniel Halper

    April 23, 2012 10:11 AM

    Former Palestinian intelligence official Muhammad Abu Shahala has reportedly been sentenced to death by the Palestinian Authority for selling a Hebron home to Jews. In response, Jewish officials from the community in Hebron are calling for international officials now to get involved—in order to save Abu Shahala’s life.

    “According to various news agencies, Mr. Muhammad Abu Shahala, a former intelligence agent for the Palestinian Authority, has been sentenced to death, following a hurried trial. His crime: selling property to Jews in Hebron,” David Wilder and Noam Arnon, of the Jewish community in Hebron, write in a letter addressed to Ban Ki-moon, Hillary Clinton, Benjamin Netanyahu, and other high ranking officials.

    Mr. Abu Shahala reportedly confessed following torture sessions at the hands of his captors. The death sentence can be executed only following concurrence by Mahmoud Abbas, aka Abu Mazen, president of the PA. After he signs the death warrant, Abu Shahala may be killed.

    It is appalling to think that property sales should be defined as a ‘capital crime’ punishable by death. The very fact that such a ‘law’ exists within the framework of the PA legal system points to a barbaric and perverse type of justice, reminiscent of practices implemented during the dark ages.

    It is incumbent upon the entire international community, which views Abu Mazen and the Palestinian Authority as a viable Middle East peace partner, to publicly reject such acts of legal murder, when the ‘crime’ is nothing more than property sales. What would be the reaction to a law in the United States, England, France, or Switzerland, forbidding property sales to Jews?

    The letter goes on to note the similarity between this law and Nazi-era Nuremberg laws. The authors ask, "Is the Palestinians Authority a reincarnation of the Third Reich?"

    According to columnist Caroline Glick, this law has long been a part of the Palestinian Authority: “The PA was established in May 1994. The first law it adopted defined selling land to Jews as a capital offense. Shortly thereafter scores of Arab land sellers began turning up dead in Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria in both judicial and extrajudicial killings.”

    Finally, the Hebron Jews urge action. "We appeal to all international leaders to demand the annulment of the death warrant and pending execution of Muhammad Abu Shahala, to be followed by his immediate release from imprisonment, for he has committed no crime."
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    Apr 24, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    Took much longer than I thought for RLD/Pouncer to get here. Must have been some rough sex last night.
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    Apr 24, 2012 5:44 PM GMT
    Butt sex .... obviously.
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    Apr 24, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
    Bet it didn't hurt in the least!
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    Apr 24, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidButt sex .... obviously.






    This OLD GEEZER, which was his previous profile name before being removed from this site for posts like this and his "BOMB IRAN NOW" video bullshit.


    The OLD GEEZER is similar to LIL'AIPAC who used the derogatory name 'dog', in reference to those of us producing facts and information that shoots holes in their Ideology. APPARENTLY THESE TWO ARE AT A LOSS TO REFUTE OUR FACTS SO HAVE RESORTED TO NAME CALLING. It won't work fella's, you embarass yourselves by such childish replies.


    Readers, do us all a favor and report this kind of behavior as spam.