Is there a job where what you do or say in your personal life should matter at work? If so, what is it and why?

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    Mar 12, 2012 10:29 PM GMT
    This is to piggy back on the discussions about the gay porn teacher who was fired and has now been allowed to teach again.

    Things to consider, what if a teacher had participated in an anti-gay rally or pro don't ask don't tell campaign or racial rant? For what job might those views be grounds for dismissal?

    Interested in your thoughts....
  • commoncoll

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    Mar 12, 2012 10:48 PM GMT
    I think teacher and politicians would probably be the most restrictive according to political behavior that you describe.

    As far as public drug/alcohol use or porn background go, most professional industries would be reluctant to give you jobs, especially in public service like physicians, lawyers, business, etc.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Mar 13, 2012 12:22 AM GMT
    I think the world we live in now, one has to be constantly aware that what they say and do may impact their respective careers --- regardless of whether you are a police officer, teacher, politician, or the Subway sandwich guy.

    Political correctness in the public sphere is all but imperative nowadays, otherwise you'll have people 'out to get you', regardless of your occupation. Some occupations require PC more so than others, but in today's world, if you aren't politically savvy, you are all but doomed.
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    Mar 13, 2012 1:06 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidwhy would there be any grounds for a dismissal for going to anti-gay rally or pro don't ask don't tell campaign? That would be against free speech.


    You can get fired for pretty much anything if it rubs your superiors the wrong way, and unless your employer is a complete idiot you'll get fired/suspended/demoted in a way where there will be little you can do about it.
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    Mar 13, 2012 1:11 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidwhy would there be any grounds for a dismissal for going to anti-gay rally or pro don't ask don't tell campaign? That would be against free speech. Proving you were dismissed however is going to be almost impossible.



    Actually, being let go from your job for those reasons might be against the concept of free speech, but for most jobs it is not against you constitutional right to freedom of speech. That is protection from the government infringing on that right, not protection from your employer letting you go for showing up at either an anti-gay protest or a pro-gay rights rally.
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    Mar 13, 2012 1:14 AM GMT
    Iceblink said
    AMoonHawk saidwhy would there be any grounds for a dismissal for going to anti-gay rally or pro don't ask don't tell campaign? That would be against free speech. Proving you were dismissed however is going to be almost impossible.



    Actually, being let go from your job for those reasons might be against the concept of free speech, but for most jobs it is not against you constitutional right to freedom of speech. That is protection from the government infringing on that right, not protection from your employer letting you go for showing up at either an anti-gay protest or a pro-gay rights rally.


    Well yeah if your boss said "You went to the pro-gay rally, you're fired" then you could sue him immediately. If your boss wants to fire you for supporting gay rights causes he knows he can't tell you that's why you're fired. He'll do it in other ways. Transfer you to another department, give you a workload he knows you can't handle, harp on you for things that may seem abusive but still within his right to do so. Then tally up all these things into a plausible reason to let you go.
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    Mar 13, 2012 1:20 AM GMT
    Positions involving religious, psychological and therapeutic matters are governed by credentialing organizations that have the power to decide if your personal life is negatively affecting your work life.

    Also, law enforcement and national security positions have some restrictions that owing to the often extreme nature of the situations and information utilized, are subject to the same type of scrutiny.

    As it should be.
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    Mar 13, 2012 1:27 AM GMT
    Ariodante said
    Iceblink said
    AMoonHawk saidwhy would there be any grounds for a dismissal for going to anti-gay rally or pro don't ask don't tell campaign? That would be against free speech. Proving you were dismissed however is going to be almost impossible.



    Actually, being let go from your job for those reasons might be against the concept of free speech, but for most jobs it is not against you constitutional right to freedom of speech. That is protection from the government infringing on that right, not protection from your employer letting you go for showing up at either an anti-gay protest or a pro-gay rights rally.


    Well yeah if your boss said "You went to the pro-gay rally, you're fired" then you could sue him immediately. If your boss wants to fire you for supporting gay rights causes he knows he can't tell you that's why you're fired. He'll do it in other ways. Transfer you to another department, give you a workload he knows you can't handle, harp on you for things that may seem abusive but still within his right to do so. Then tally up all these things into a plausible reason to let you go.


    You could sue your employer, but if you sue on the concept of violating your right to free speech, you would not likely win. Ask Don Imus or Keith Oberman about getting fired for the words they spoke. Nothing they could do about it. Now if you were at a pro-gay rights rally or anti-gay rights and the police came along and took away your political sign you were holding because they did not agree with the message, you would likely win that freedom of speech suit.
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    Mar 13, 2012 1:31 AM GMT
    Iceblink said
    You could sue your employer, but if you sue on the concept of violating your right to free speech, you would not likely win.


    If your employer openly admitted to firing you for supporting a gay rights cause you wouldn't need to win that lawsuit in court. The instant any media coverage caught wind that employer would pretty much be buried in a shit storm of negative PR. It'd be in the employer's best interest to to just say budget cuts are forcing him to let you go.
  • eddieg

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    Mar 13, 2012 1:37 AM GMT
    Heavy drug use would be an issue with most jobs, especially working near drugs like in a hospital or pharmacy.

    People who don't manage their personal finances, are bared from working in a lot of jobs, even non financial jobs. I know you can't get a job with the FBI with bad credit.

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    Mar 13, 2012 1:39 AM GMT
    Ariodante said
    Iceblink said
    You could sue your employer, but if you sue on the concept of violating your right to free speech, you would not likely win.


    If your employer openly admitted to firing you for supporting a gay rights cause you wouldn't need to win that lawsuit in court. The instant any media coverage caught wind that employer would pretty much be buried in a shit storm of negative PR. It'd be in the employer's best interest to to just say budget cuts are forcing him to let you go.



    That's true and that is why that pressure is used so much. That, and bringing your story to the media, are some protection we have in the private world. Luckily things have generally changed and these types of tactics generally favor the pro-gay rights side and not so much the anti-gay rights side. It wasn't so long ago it was the other way around.
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    Mar 13, 2012 1:56 AM GMT
    How can supporting a cause be any grounds to fire an employee? I can understand the porn background for teachers and more hands on public servers but that's kinda insane.