creating home made pre and post drinks.

  • Artesin

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    Mar 12, 2012 11:50 PM GMT
    Im trying to avoid any synthetic ingredients in many products on the market today and the only way to do so while remaining in a budget is to make my own. Im concentrating on three areas: pre, post and during. I assume that each area requires different needs while keeping protein and carb ratios relative. I was thinking of a 2:1 pre and during and a 4:2 ratio post.

    My main carb ingredient would be a mixture of dextrose and maltodextrin, with the protein consisting of whey mixed in a solution of grape juice pre and during and milk post. Most likely chocolate as i heard it already contains the perfect ratio of carbs to protein with an amount of fat that wont interfere in pancreatic response for insulin.

    My main issue consists of choosing what amino acids to use, when to use them and what suppliers to buy them from. in regards to adding sodium for electrolyte retention would regular salt be used or is there something more effective?

    I know where to obtain the carbs but not necessarily the whey.


    If anyone else does this how much of each ingredient do you use, if similar ratios are used?

    Is there an amount of protein that the body can metabolize at any given point? Id like to know for the purpose of keeping ratios intact. with a body weight of 165 i shoot for roughly 120-165 grams of protein a day with total calories around 3500. Optimal protein synthesis is the main goal so that no time or money ends up wasted.
  • SportsRI

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    Mar 13, 2012 3:14 AM GMT
    First a 2:1 and a 4:2 ratio are the same.

    I think the simplest approach would be to buy a protein that has a high biological value, tastes good, and mixes easily (no blender necessary). Also buy a good carbohydrate source such as maltodextrin. These are relatively inexpensive.

    A postworkout drink should probably contain a higher ratio of carbohydrate to protein such as 2:1. The total calories would depend on your size and goals. I would not have a workout drink with any significant calories.
  • Beeftastic

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    Mar 13, 2012 8:54 AM GMT
    I don't know about pre and post, I make a pre workout drink with skim milk, Now Whey Protein, organic cocoa powder, glutamine, creatine, a small amount of coconut sugar (lower glycemic index), maybe some vanilla for flavoring, and sometimes avocado.

    It's delicious and puts to shame any bought protein mixes.

    Cocoa powder is really a superfood, it has some good protein and a bit of good fats, and a bunch of antioxidants and you get a mood boost from the theobromine. So I use a lot in mine.

    And yes, it's a lot cheaper.
  • Artesin

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    Mar 13, 2012 9:52 PM GMT
    SportsRI saidFirst a 2:1 and a 4:2 ratio are the same.

    I think the simplest approach would be to buy a protein that has a high biological value, tastes good, and mixes easily (no blender necessary). Also buy a good carbohydrate source such as maltodextrin. These are relatively inexpensive.

    A postworkout drink should probably contain a higher ratio of carbohydrate to protein such as 2:1. The total calories would depend on your size and goals. I would not have a workout drink with any significant calories.


    im unsure of what a high biological value implies aside from an assumption geared toward the rate of protein synthesis. Then who even supplies it, which is the main problem. besides, that was already the ratio and sugar source being used, thanks anyway though.

    I thought this article was quite interesting for the benefits of mixing dextrose and maltodextrin together, if theres a reason not to then id love to hear it. Ive had so much trouble gaining weight at this point that im going as deep as chemical structuring to determine a fix icon_rolleyes.gif though it brings in a a whole new set of issues.

    http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/magazine03/dextrose.htm
  • dannyboy1101

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    Mar 13, 2012 10:34 PM GMT
    Cosmopolitan? If that doesn't work, just grab the Royal Crown and call it a night! ;)
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    Mar 13, 2012 11:42 PM GMT
    Here is what I have been doing (though I may modify it in the near future as I am trying to source a sucralose-free/aspartame-free analog to Jack3D or BNS HyperFX)

    Pre workout (approx. 20-30min before)
    15g BCAAS in a 4:1:1 ratio*
    10g Creatine Monohydrate
    30g Whey Isolate
    5g Jack3D (or similar pre-workout "intensifier"
    1 handful of blueberries or raspberries

    During Workout
    3-4L of water mixed with 2g sea salt, 10g dextrose, and 1-2g Jack3D

    Post workout (within 30min)
    15g BCAAS in a 4:1:1 ratio*
    10g mixture of 2:1 L-Arginine and L-Glutamine
    60g Whey Isolate
    5g Nativas Naturals Cacao Powder
  • mikey_101

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    Mar 14, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
    You seem to be talking about a lot of chemicals and refined products for someone who started the thread with "Im trying to avoid any synthetic ingredients".

    Get organic hemp seeds and make your own hemp milk - it will have the full spectrum of amino acids and with the removal of the husk and fibre by straining, should be 50% protein roughly.

    Flavour with a bannana, and drink while eating boiled eggs and almonds or peanuts.

  • mikey_101

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    Mar 14, 2012 2:08 PM GMT
    Also as an alternative to refined whey powder thats full of synthetic shite.

    Get raw milk, warm on the pan untill almost boiling.... add the juice of a lemon so the milk splits.

    Drain through a nut bag, cheese cloth or muslin - keep the solids in the bag and bottle the liquid.

    The solids will turn into cheese overnight under a little pressure in the bag....

    The liquid is Whey.... home made from raw milk.

    Chemical free with the added indulgence of home made cheese.

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    Mar 14, 2012 2:19 PM GMT
    It sounds like a lot of work...have you checked out Stronger, Faster, Healthier? They make their protein powder from free range, grass fed animal sources with no hormones, gluten, etc.

    http://www.strongerfasterhealthier.com/
  • mikey_101

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    Mar 14, 2012 2:40 PM GMT
    imasrxd saidIt sounds like a lot of work...
    http://www.strongerfasterhealthier.com/



    Things that are worthwhile usualy are a lot of work.

    Microwave meal?
    Synthetic poweders?


    We are being poisoned by our complacency in requiring time saving products with substandard ingredients.
  • Artesin

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    Mar 15, 2012 2:06 AM GMT
    mikey_101 saidYou seem to be talking about a lot of chemicals and refined products for someone who started the thread with "Im trying to avoid any synthetic ingredients".

    Get organic hemp seeds and make your own hemp milk - it will have the full spectrum of amino acids and with the removal of the husk and fibre by straining, should be 50% protein roughly.

    Flavour with a bannana, and drink while eating boiled eggs and almonds or peanuts.



    because dextrose, maltodextrin and whey arent synthetic. dextrose is derived by breaking down the cellular structure, as it would happen in the stomach. either way theyre used for a specific purpose and arent carcinogenic.

    nuts contain too much fat to be consumed too soon before or after a workout, which interferes with insulin response, delaying the time that protein reaches the muscles. Hemps too expensive for me to be used in that amount anyway. thanks for the response though
  • Artesin

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    Mar 15, 2012 2:10 AM GMT
    imasrxd saidIt sounds like a lot of work...have you checked out Stronger, Faster, Healthier? They make their protein powder from free range, grass fed animal sources with no hormones, gluten, etc.

    http://www.strongerfasterhealthier.com/


    face value looks good but the organic tag is way too pricey otherwise itd be exactly what i was looking for.
  • mikey_101

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    Mar 15, 2012 11:29 AM GMT
    Artesin said
    mikey_101 saidYou seem to be talking about a lot of chemicals and refined products for someone who started the thread with "Im trying to avoid any synthetic ingredients".

    Get organic hemp seeds and make your own hemp milk - it will have the full spectrum of amino acids and with the removal of the husk and fibre by straining, should be 50% protein roughly.

    Flavour with a bannana, and drink while eating boiled eggs and almonds or peanuts.



    because dextrose, maltodextrin and whey arent synthetic. dextrose is derived by breaking down the cellular structure, as it would happen in the stomach. either way theyre used for a specific purpose and arent carcinogenic.

    nuts contain too much fat to be consumed too soon before or after a workout, which interferes with insulin response, delaying the time that protein reaches the muscles. Hemps too expensive for me to be used in that amount anyway. thanks for the response though


    Cool, no probs - just maltodextrin jumped out at me.... I avaoid this like the plague as its another name that products have to hide the fact the have MonoSodiumGlutimate.... a highly processed excitotoxin.

    No worries either way.... enjoy.

    I prefer to get my nutrition straigh from the source, warpped up in essentail nutrients in the ratios nature intended.

    Processing, synthesising and refining is not what nature inteded.... nor what your body copes with most easily.



  • mikey_101

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    Mar 19, 2012 11:03 AM GMT
    Kefir?