Gay dad's pain:

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    Mar 15, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
    A gay couple who become parents via IVF and not the hetrosexual way, of sexual intercourse, warn other gays against the IVF donor drive to start in Melbourne Australia.

    Two homosexuals involved in a famous baby custody case have spoken of their devastation at loosing contact visits with their son after his lesbian mother[s] took him out of Australia to live.

    The two father[s] won a highly publicized victory for homosexual fathers in 2010 when an acrimonious battle in the Family Court ended with a judge ruling they were entitled to regular contact with the child, a little boy.

    BUT..........the court also gave permission for the boys lesbian mother[s] to take him overseas and the women left Australia this year.

    Now the father[s] have no contact with the boy, a three year old son, and there's nothing the father[s] can do.

    before the four started the IVF treatment, with both homosexual men donating sperm on alternating months, they made co-parenting agreements that allowed the father[s] regular access to any child that may be born out of that arrangement.

    But a change in the family Law Act, made the women the boys sole parents and removed the rights of the two homosexual men to be involved in the up bringing of the child.

    The biological father of this child is devastated, that he is not recognised in the eyes of the law as his dad.

    This week melbourne IVF announced a campaign to persuade homosexual men to become sperm donors for single mothers and lesbian women. But the two fathers in this case have cautioned homosexual men to ignore the call to be donors.

    The four couples had a written document between them all. The judge said the women simply changed their mind after the legislation changed. They suddenly ended up with all the rights.
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    Mar 15, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
    OMG this is just shocking. I hope Homosexuals are smart enough not to fall for this ploy to give up their sperm to help single women and lesbians come mothers, when they have not one safe over the upbringing of their child.

    Sadly artificial insemination is the only way us Bona Fide homosexuals can become fathers if thats what you feel your life needs, and now they are being exploited, and get nothing out of it; no rights whatsoever; we are just being used for our sperm. Once again homosexual men do all the giving, and lesbians get all the gaining and advancement.icon_evil.gif But then it could be suggested once again men do all the giving and women advance, and men get left behind. It's like men helped to liberate women yet failed to liberate themselves.
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    Mar 15, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidOMG this is just shocking. I hope Homosexuals are smart enough not to fall for this ploy to give up their sperm to help single women and lesbians come mothers, when they have not one safe over the up bring of their child.

    sadly artificial insemination is the only way us Bona Fide homosexuals can become fathers if thats what you feel your life needs, and now they are being exploited, and get nothing out of it; no rights whatsoever; we are just being used for our sperm. Once again homosexual men do all the giving, and lesbians get all the gaining and advancement.

    Do you know the history of the Family Law Act, and why this change was proposed and passed? Would the courts not consider a challenge that the law cannot be applied retroactively?
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    Mar 15, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    I think the whole thing sad. In many ways it's a fundamental difference between us homosexual men and lesbians. Homosexual men would be and are happy for women to be apart of their children's lives and upbringing. Yet many if not most lesbians don't feel the same. They want to fool themselves that they can fill both rolls of mother and father as women, thus keeping the children's father out of their child's lives; they are more inclined to creat men free zones. Where many if not most homosexual men, would be happy for the birth mother to be apart of their child's life.

    I feel children need both men and women in their lives, as we are both very diffrent.
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    Mar 15, 2012 10:44 PM GMT
    So, I'm confused. Did they do the IVF in order to be the true fathers of the baby, and the lesbian basically acting as a surrogate? Or did they donate their sperm for her to mother a child?

    If it's the former, then I see the issues.

    If it's the latter, then I'm not sure what the issue is. If I'm just a sperm donor, I wouldn't expect to have any rights towards the child. And if I have rights towards the child, then i would have obligations in his/her upbringing and financial support.
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    Mar 15, 2012 11:24 PM GMT
    EastCoastNAZ saidSo, I'm confused. Did they do the IVF in order to be the true fathers of the baby, and the lesbian basically acting as a surrogate? Or did they donate their sperm for her to mother a child?

    If it's the former, then I see the issues.

    If it's the latter, then I'm not sure what the issue is. If I'm just a sperm donor, I wouldn't expect to have any rights towards the child. And if I have rights towards the child, then i would have obligations in his/her upbringing and financial support.


    Well, that's kind of eluded to in the:

    "before the four started the IVF treatment, with both homosexual men donating sperm on alternating months, they made co-parenting agreements that allowed the father[s] regular access to any child that may be born out of that arrangement."

    Basically, in this situation, it seems like the four wanted to become parents, and they planned to share responsibility for the child...but then the lesbians got the child, and decided to cut off contact with the men.

    That leads to this:

    "The two father[s] won a highly publicized victory for homosexual fathers in 2010 when an acrimonious battle in the Family Court ended with a judge ruling they were entitled to regular contact with the child, a little boy."

    But of course given that gay marriage and adoption rights are not well established around the world, it seems like the conniving lesbians decided that since the courts in Australia wouldn't let them have their way, they'd get their way by emigrating to another nation that would effectively cut those men out of their lives.

    It'd be interesting if these women returned to Australia at some point, and then retroactively filed for child support. I wouldn't put it past them...they seem like an immoral sort.

    Do you happen to have a link for the story TrueBlueAussie?
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    Mar 15, 2012 11:28 PM GMT
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    TrueBlueAussie saidOMG this is just shocking. I hope Homosexuals are smart enough not to fall for this ploy to give up their sperm to help single women and lesbians come mothers, when they have not one safe over the up bring of their child.

    sadly artificial insemination is the only way us Bona Fide homosexuals can become fathers if thats what you feel your life needs, and now they are being exploited, and get nothing out of it; no rights whatsoever; we are just being used for our sperm. Once again homosexual men do all the giving, and lesbians get all the gaining and advancement.

    Do you know the history of the Family Law Act, and why this change was proposed and passed? Would the courts not consider a challenge that the law cannot be applied retroactively?


    It probably doesn't matter at this point in time...if they're living abroad in a nation that does not recognize gay marriage, and they're living there legally, who is going to force them back to Australia?
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    Mar 15, 2012 11:41 PM GMT
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    EastCoastNAZ saidSo, I'm confused. Did they do the IVF in order to be the true fathers of the baby, and the lesbian basically acting as a surrogate? Or did they donate their sperm for her to mother a child?

    If it's the former, then I see the issues.

    If it's the latter, then I'm not sure what the issue is. If I'm just a sperm donor, I wouldn't expect to have any rights towards the child. And if I have rights towards the child, then i would have obligations in his/her upbringing and financial support.


    Well, that's kind of eluded to in the:

    "before the four started the IVF treatment, with both homosexual men donating sperm on alternating months, they made co-parenting agreements that allowed the father[s] regular access to any child that may be born out of that arrangement."



    OK, yeah. I read over that. Oopsicon_confused.gif
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    Mar 16, 2012 3:09 AM GMT
    It's pretty shitty to think of really, but there no positive lesbian influences in my life. Besides, you know.. Ellen. Personally EVERY lesbian I've ever met has ended up being a total fuck head. Even my dear rug munching sister goes bat shit insane every so often.

    Don't think I'm making a sweeping generalization that all Lesbians are child snatching, man-haters. Just wishing there was more sense in the world.
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    Mar 16, 2012 6:06 AM GMT
    The possibility of this happening was the sole reason I chose not to donate sperm.
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    Mar 16, 2012 8:39 PM GMT
    Now bisexual fathers who have produced children via hetrosexual sexual relationships, then may loose their children latter in life, for the things they did when they were younger, or their whole life, is another whole topic all together, and I'm not sure that could come under: "Gay dads pain" either.

    This is about men who are open about their sexuality, and do not have the ability to create a family the hetrosexual way, as our half brothers the bisexuals do; because they are Bona Fide Homosexuals. Guys who had to use artificial insemination to become fathers, and create a family the gay way, and end up with nothing.

    No offence to our bisexual fathers here, it's just not about you.