Barack Obama, Gay Rights Groups Struggle Over Democratic Platform

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    "WASHINGTON -- An unexpected surge in support to place same-sex marriage on the Democratic Party platform at the August convention has energized LGBT advocates and complicated an already delicate situation facing President Barack Obama’s reelection campaign.

    In the past month, almost half of all Democratic senators, several of Obama's national campaign co-chairs, the House Minority Leader and the chairman of the Democratic convention, among others, have said they support adding marriage equality to the platform. Were this the position that the president held, such proclamations would not be a problem. But Obama says he is still publicly “evolving” on marriage equality. And the wave of support to make it a component of his convention has both surprised aides and set off a private push to keep emotions and expectations in check. ..."

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    Mar 16, 2012 3:08 AM GMT
    Obama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.
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    Mar 16, 2012 6:10 AM GMT
    Iceblink saidObama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.



    Neither Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden support it either, so this is no surprise. Wait, what's that I hear???? -- Dick Cheney supports it!!!! Go Dick! Hmmmm...Ohhhh the irony. icon_lol.gif
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Iceblink saidObama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.



    Neither Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden support it either, so this is no surprise. Wait, what's that I hear???? -- Dick Cheney supports it!!!! Go Dick! Hmmmm...Ohhhh the irony. icon_lol.gif



    Neither Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton will be the nominee in 2016.
  • KissTheSky

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    Mar 16, 2012 6:30 AM GMT
    I support gay marriage as much as anyone, but I don't really understand the logic of putting something in "the platform" that's not supported by the presidential candidate. What's the point? It just seems like one more thing to fight about that goes nowhere.
    I do think Obama should announce that he supports same-sex marriage... it would energize his base, and the people it would turn off are already against him: the right-wing homophobes who would never vote for him.

    I have to say I'm disappointed in Obama on this issue... politicians are so timid and weak, it's just sad.
    I'm guessing that whenever 90% of the country is behind same-sex marriage, our president at that time will decide he/she is for it too. "Profiles in Courage!" icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • SkyMiles

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    Mar 16, 2012 6:49 AM GMT
    Does anyone *really* want to take your chances under a Romney or Santorum presidency?
    Sure, Obama's been ambiguous but that's a hell of a lot better than the other choices as far as gay rights go. We've actually made real progress these last 4 years with the repeal of DADT and marriage equality. I don't think it makes much sense to let the opposition turn back the clock.
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    Mar 16, 2012 6:50 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Iceblink saidObama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.



    Neither Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden support it either, so this is no surprise. Wait, what's that I hear???? -- Dick Cheney supports it!!!! Go Dick! Hmmmm...Ohhhh the irony. icon_lol.gif


    Uh oh, that's my cue



    min 1:42



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    Mar 16, 2012 7:01 AM GMT
    Colbert_Nation saidDoes anyone *really* want to take your chances under a Romney or Santorum presidency?
    Sure, Obama's been ambiguous but that's a hell of a lot better than the other choices as far as gay rights go. We've actually made real progress these last 4 years with the repeal of DADT and marriage equality. I don't think it makes much sense to let the opposition turn back the clock.


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    Mar 16, 2012 7:14 AM GMT
    Colbert_Nation saidDoes anyone *really* want to take your chances under a Romney or Santorum presidency?
    Sure, Obama's been ambiguous but that's a hell of a lot better than the other choices as far as gay rights go. We've actually made real progress these last 4 years with the repeal of DADT and marriage equality. I don't think it makes much sense to let the opposition turn back the clock.




    Of course not.

    President Obama has BY FAR done more for gay rights than any president in US history.

    Just today - more history has been made by the most pro-gay president and administration ever:
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/15/445622/president-obama-has-now-quadrupled-the-number-of-openly-gay-judges-on-the-federal-bench/?mobile=wp

    By contrast - the three major contenders running for the Repub nomination this year have embraced the most bitterly anti-gay agendas of any major presidential candidates ever.

    The Repub party is becoming more anti-gay while the Democratic party is becoming more pro-gay.

    We need to remember who are friends are - and VOTE to make sure they stay in office.
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    Mar 16, 2012 7:24 AM GMT
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    Colbert_Nation saidDoes anyone *really* want to take your chances under a Romney or Santorum presidency?
    Sure, Obama's been ambiguous but that's a hell of a lot better than the other choices as far as gay rights go. We've actually made real progress these last 4 years with the repeal of DADT and marriage equality. I don't think it makes much sense to let the opposition turn back the clock.




    Of course not.

    President Obama has BY FAR done more for gay rights than any president in US history.

    Just today - more history has been made by the most pro-gay president and administration ever:
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/15/445622/president-obama-has-now-quadrupled-the-number-of-openly-gay-judges-on-the-federal-bench/?mobile=wp

    By contrast - the three major contenders running for the Repub nomination this year have embraced the most bitterly anti-gay agendas of any major presidential candidates ever.

    The Repub party is becoming more anti-gay while the Democratic party is becoming more pro-gay.

    We need to remember who are friends are - and VOTE to make sure they stay in office.


    After this last Tuesday, I believe a bit more strongly that we’re heading toward a brokered convention and neither Romney nor Santorum will be our nominee. I’m getting pretty sick of all of them. And a real good bitch slap to Michael Steele for engineering a primary process whereby it could get so ugly.
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    Mar 16, 2012 7:47 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Iceblink saidObama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.



    Neither Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden support it either, so this is no surprise. Wait, what's that I hear???? -- Dick Cheney supports it!!!! Go Dick! Hmmmm...Ohhhh the irony. icon_lol.gif


    Not so fast. Ask him if he favors putting the same thing on the REPUBLICAN platform. Oh the reality...
  • Suetonius

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    Mar 16, 2012 8:14 AM GMT
    OK - start throwing flames now.

    Platforms are a waste of words- they mean nothing, and are never implemented. They provide exercise for the political activists to keep themselves busy at the conventions.

    There are many things Obama had the power to do as Chief Executive to foster equality for gays, without the necessity for congressional action, yet he as done almost nothing. Obama has never been an advocate for equality for gay people (except when he was running for senate from Illinois - and he has since changed his position.)

    It would be appropriate for gays not to support Obama's re-election. If the republicans win, the country can survive for four years, and then maybe a real democrat could be elected. Obama kind of reminds me of Clinton - He wanted to be President, but did not have anything he needed to see accomplished. A very bright man, but apparently without any convictions. Why did the ignorant masses think Obama was some liberal? He had never given any sign before the campaign that he was a liberal. Gays won't achieve equal rights under Obama, so they will be no worse off under the republicans, no matter which one wins the nomination. Why support someone who does not support you?

    Obama will probably be elected anyway, but not with my vote (even though I could not stomach voting for a republican.)

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    Mar 16, 2012 8:41 AM GMT
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    Obama will probably be elected anyway, but not with my vote (even though I could not stomach voting for a republican.)



    I keep hearing so many people say they just won't vote this year.

    I don't get why you would throw a vote away like that. It will just make men like Karl Rove smile knowing they have an easier job to only get the vote of the right left or right of center voters since people in the middle have stopped caring.
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    Mar 16, 2012 9:19 AM GMT
    Iceblink said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Iceblink saidObama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.



    Neither Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden support it either, so this is no surprise. Wait, what's that I hear???? -- Dick Cheney supports it!!!! Go Dick! Hmmmm...Ohhhh the irony. icon_lol.gif



    Neither Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton will be the nominee in 2016.


    Dick Cheney won't be running, either.

    Once again, CuriousJock spreads misinformation to promote his party as being misunderstood and pro-human rights.

    Cheney believes that people should be able to enter into any type of union they wish, but he does NOT support a federal role. Cheney thinks it should be handled on a "state-by-state basis"; a coward's way out.
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    Mar 16, 2012 9:29 AM GMT
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    Colbert_Nation saidDoes anyone *really* want to take your chances under a Romney or Santorum presidency?
    Sure, Obama's been ambiguous but that's a hell of a lot better than the other choices as far as gay rights go. We've actually made real progress these last 4 years with the repeal of DADT and marriage equality. I don't think it makes much sense to let the opposition turn back the clock.


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    Santorum is against marriage equality in any form including civil unions, AND for reinstating DADT. Somehow I'm assuming that still doesn't change your mind. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Mar 16, 2012 9:38 AM GMT
    credo said
    Iceblink said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Iceblink saidObama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.



    Neither Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden support it either, so this is no surprise. Wait, what's that I hear???? -- Dick Cheney supports it!!!! Go Dick! Hmmmm...Ohhhh the irony. icon_lol.gif



    Neither Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton will be the nominee in 2016.


    Dick Cheney won't be running, either.

    Once again, CuriousJock spreads misinformation to promote his party as being misunderstood and pro-human rights.

    Cheney believes that people should be able to enter into any type of union they wish, but he does NOT support a federal role. Cheney thinks it should be handled on a "state-by-state basis"; a coward's way out.
    It's also misleading for Cheney to say that the states have called the shots here. It's true in general, but when the right is fundamentally being denied (as with interracial marriage in the past) the courts get involved when the state/federal government will not.

    I would also remind Cheney apologists that George W. Bush made it a point to run on a federal constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in 2004. And while he did acknowledge his family's situation in that campaign, it's not like he ran around with a gay pride sticker on his forehead, or did anything to oppose that piece of the campaign platform.

    (Edit to add: Cheney has this clever little word game where he talks about people having the "freedom to enter into their own arrangements" - but that's not even what is being discussed, is it? We aren't talking about the freedom to enter into the arrangement, we're talking about having that arrangement enjoy the same rights and responsibilities on a legal basis as hetero marriage. Cheney is arguing for what people already have, without advocating for marriage equality.)
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    Mar 16, 2012 10:40 AM GMT
    One would of thought with the Hardship many Americans are being forced to deal with that Obama has only made worse; unemployment, unable to sell homes and so forth, the Gay Agenda should be the last thing on any real contender mind or agendas; after all getting America back on track is more paramount than the gay agenda at this time. Thats why you need to put country before dick, and it's wants.

    Oh and just because the conservatives agenda is diffrent to the center and off centre left, does not mean human rights are off the agenda, just maybe not the way the left thinks it should be; thus this allows the left to remain blind to the truth.
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    Mar 16, 2012 10:52 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Iceblink saidObama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.



    Neither Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden support it either, so this is no surprise. Wait, what's that I hear???? -- Dick Cheney supports it!!!! Go Dick! Hmmmm...Ohhhh the irony. icon_lol.gif
    Hey Todd.. just wanted to make VERY clear that Dicky Cheney dint say a god damned thing until he was OUT of a job.. the coward!.. OH THE IRONY!
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    TrueBlueAussie saidOne would of thought with the Hardship many Americans are being forced to deal with that Obama has only made worse; unemployment, unable to sell homes and so forth, the Gay Agenda should be the last thing on any real contender mind or agendas; after all getting America back on track is more paramount than the gay agenda at this time. Thats why you need to put country before dick, and it's wants.

    Oh and just because the conservatives agenda is diffrent to the center and off centre left, does not mean human rights are off the agenda, just maybe not the way the left thinks it should be; thus this allows the left to remain blind to the truth.
    Complete red herring. Who said gay marriage is the most important issue facing the country at this moment in time, or on the other hand that it needs to be completely off the table until all the economic problems are solved?

    As for Republicans, most in the mainstream (certainly just about ALL with microphones who are actually in or running for office) oppose gay marriage and are actively seeking to have it banned state-by-state.

    You may not see the difference, but I sure do.
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    Mar 16, 2012 12:44 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Iceblink saidObama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.



    Neither Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden support it either, so this is no surprise. Wait, what's that I hear???? -- Dick Cheney supports it!!!! Go Dick! Hmmmm...Ohhhh the irony. icon_lol.gif

    Interesting how he didn't support it as VP. icon_confused.gif
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    Mar 16, 2012 1:12 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Iceblink saidObama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.



    Neither Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden support it either, so this is no surprise. Wait, what's that I hear???? -- Dick Cheney supports it!!!! Go Dick! Hmmmm...Ohhhh the irony. icon_lol.gif


    Uh oh, that's my cue



    min 1:42



    Get real Cheney wouldn't support gay marriage if his daughter wasn't gay...Republicans always trout...we want big government out of your lives..then stay out of our bedrooms a corner stone of privacy and give us the same rights straight couples expect...
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    Mar 16, 2012 1:59 PM GMT
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    Not so fast. Ask him if he favors putting the same thing on the REPUBLICAN platform. Oh the reality...


    That may very well be true. I have no doubt that once Barrack Obama is out of office, he'll probably be out there cheerleading for Gay Marriage too. Currently, he's either against Gay Marriage or a coward when it comes to the subject. The "reality" is that, like most of America, the public's opinion on Gay Marriage is "evolving", and it simply hasn't gotten to a place yet where any major political party is willing to stick their neck out and support it in their platform.
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    Colbert_Nation saidDoes anyone *really* want to take your chances under a Romney or Santorum presidency?
    Sure, Obama's been ambiguous but that's a hell of a lot better than the other choices as far as gay rights go. We've actually made real progress these last 4 years with the repeal of DADT and marriage equality. I don't think it makes much sense to let the opposition turn back the clock.


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    Santorum is against marriage equality in any form including civil unions, AND for reinstating DADT. Somehow I'm assuming that still doesn't change your mind.


    Not like I haven't discussed this a few hundred times, but NO that doesn't change my mind. There are other issues of greater concern to me and the above isn't even in my top ten, maybe even top 20. I voted for Santorum in the Ohio primary with goal being a brokered convention so maybe we can have someone else besides these four candidates. Maybe Jeb Bush (it’s ok, save the bandwidth, I’ve heard it all before), maybe Paul Ryan or …

    If Santorum happens to win Illinois, Romney’s enevibilty is gone.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Iceblink saidObama will be the last Democrat to get the party's nomination who does not support gay marriage.



    Neither Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden support it either, so this is no surprise. Wait, what's that I hear???? -- Dick Cheney supports it!!!! Go Dick! Hmmmm...Ohhhh the irony. icon_lol.gif

    Interesting how he didn't support it as VP. icon_confused.gif


    Don't make me go back and dig out all of those vids again. YES he did, in 2000 and 2004. Go back and re-listen to the vice presidential debates again.
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    Mar 16, 2012 2:34 PM GMT
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    coolarmydude said
    Not so fast. Ask him if he favors putting the same thing on the REPUBLICAN platform. Oh the reality...


    That may very well be true. I have no doubt that once Barrack Obama is out of office, he'll probably be out there cheerleading for Gay Marriage too. Currently, he's either against Gay Marriage or a coward when it comes to the subject. The "reality" is that, like most of America, the public's opinion on Gay Marriage is "evolving", and it simply hasn't gotten to a place yet where any major political party is willing to stick their neck out and support it in their platform.


    I totally agree. I, personally, believe Obama is in favor of gay marriage. However, he's first and foremost a politician who wants to play both sides. He's trying to win re-election and doesn't want to drive away the independent voters who lean Conservative. He needs a majority vote to win re-election and the majority of Americans are against gay marriage. I predict that if he wins re-election, the real Obama will come forth(for good or for ill) when he doesn't have to worry about re-election. The "evolving" statement is just a way to placate both sides. Political rhetoric. I have a feeling he "evolved" a long time ago.