Am I the only guy here who's sick of all the, "Is it racist," type posts? We're all gay! I mean growing up gay wasn't like the Brady Bunch for me.

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    Mar 16, 2012 3:15 AM GMT
    Even white gay people have had problems. Frankly, the old joke has some truth to it, you don't have to come down stairs and tell your parents you're black. Also, unlike black or brown people, the law doesn't protect gay people! In fact, the law often discriminates against us.

    Is it just me or do we need to get over it with race?
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    Mar 16, 2012 3:45 AM GMT
    I actually like reading threads about race and ethnicity in the gay community. Especially considering what living in Seattle, I've come to the realization that when I see "Looking for cool guys to hang out with", it typically excludes blacks.
    At the same time, such threads allow people to get into debates and use offensive words in an unoffensive manner and desensitizes people to hearing such vocabulary.

    And yea, the law "protecting" anyone is a joke in my perspective... You have someone like 17 year old Trayvon Martin just late last month who was shot and killed in Florida by George Zimmerman. What did Martin do wrong? As Zimmerman described it, he was a suspicious black man. He called 9/11 and reported the suspicious black man and he was told to let the police handle it, but he took matters into his own hands. A series of following events lead to Trayvon Martin's death and George Zimmerman has yet to be arrested...

    The law didn't stand between Martin and Zimmerman to stop the altercation. And when you said "the law discriminates against us" you couldn't be any more correct... The law WON'T step in typically until the people actually gather together and complain.

    What's funny to me is how not only some gays don't want to be associated with blacks, but also how MOST blacks (the black community as a whole) don't want to be associated with gays of any ethnicity.

    Am I getting over it? I'm gradually learning to...
    I'm sure its easier to get over it when you aren't the one so commonly excluded, lol...
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    Mar 16, 2012 4:05 AM GMT
    ^^going off of what you said, while I certainly dont mind racism being discussed, I really wish it wouldnt be discussed in the lines of attraction. While yes it can be an issue that needs addressing, slapping the label of racism on the problem doesnt foster discussion, but shuts it down.

    There I said it.
  • BmwKid92

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    Mar 16, 2012 4:11 AM GMT
    Sick of it, sure im open to some stranger's opinion, but in the end its just some idiots opinion that 80% i end up disagreeing with
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    Mar 16, 2012 4:59 AM GMT
    Totally tired of it, I have to say its the Americans that seem to keep going on and on and on about it.
    In the last month i have travelled around a fair bit and have noticed in Sydney, Perth, London and Thailand that there are way more mixed race gay couples around than straight ones.
    In saying this we do have our share of fuckwit racists that think by having "no asians" on a gay dating site is perfectly acceptable. I have an Asian flatmate ( gay but of dubious sexuality...recently) who has a caucasian bf. 3 of the gay couples in my building are of mixed race.
    It can be easy to generalise particularly in this part of the world about gay asians, I dont. There are morons and sexually unattractive people of all races not to mention great fucks.
    Im sure the same is true for the US with African Americans, whites and Latinos generalising about a race is never good for the world as a whole.
    Also in looking at many of the posts they are from young guys who still have a lot to learn about the world, we older guys shoould constantly remind these young tykes that it is unacceptable and lead by example.
  • agro

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    Mar 16, 2012 5:22 AM GMT
    Is it racist if I've never seen an episode of the Brady Bunch?
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    Mar 16, 2012 5:25 AM GMT
    stark93 saidIs it racist if I've never seen an episode of the Brady Bunch?


    Yes you naughty naughty boy. Now go home tonight watch channel 11 digital and watch.
    You young people no wonder the worlds going down the gurgler.icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 16, 2012 5:41 AM GMT
    Since I have been out since I was 5 or 6. This would of been mid 1960s, in the great Aussie bush land, where a guy would get beaten up for wearing white socks, as a poofter would only ever wear withe socks. OMG it was tough, and I made it even tougher for not standing down on the issue of homosexuality. I even had an uncle take me out to shoot me, but he did not have the balls, for fear someone may be watching, that he could not see and I still would not back down; yes this strong stubbornness was to also lead to one being torched, but I still never ever backed down, I was what I am!

    But this not only lead one to be strong when so many were not, to fight for homosexuality to be decriminalised, and taken off the mental health act, then standing buy the gay community while so many fleed and did nothing during the Gay Plague Era; as well the years of hate and abuse I have received at RJ, for not seeing things the same way as many of the off centre left do; but still I do not back down.

    So for me as an Aussie Poofter, the issue of race and homosexuality are very diffrent issues. But when many white American homosexuals, and bisexual want to play the victims, they are happy to compare what they preserve as their fight and struggle as the same balck Americans had and have, and if you are a gay black man in America, you get a double whammy; also homosexuals and bisexuals can hid their sexuality, a black man can not hid his his colour.

    But in my world in Oz race has never been a major issue, but saddly over time it may become one, because of the negative impact illegal immigration is having on this Great Southern land.

    I think what gets me is you have bisexuals, who receive all the rewards for being pseudo straight family men; then when they are middle age and reached the peak of their careers, and no more have a need for the wife and kids, they want to be seen as gay men; just like me; when in fact they are nothing like me or my brothers, as we have never been straight breeding family men. Oh they have received all the rewards of being straight, but now also want to play the victom. My family made me do it, this and that made me do it; I am the victim please, as if we are all the same or one. They should of grown balls and tryed to be an out gay child in the 1960s in the Aussie bush; I was more of a man at the age of 10, than they will be at 60.

    We are not one and never have been.
  • KissTheSky

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    Mar 16, 2012 6:42 AM GMT
    I like reading black and Asian people's perspectives, partly because I think our society (meaning the U.S.) is so freaked out about race that no one can talk about it honestly in "real time." Which is really sad, because I don't think we're going to get to any kind of solutions until we can talk about things honestly.
    It's really eye-opening to hear what non-white gay men think about things, in a forum where they can be honest. Score one for the Internets. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 16, 2012 9:54 AM GMT
    Chainers said^^going off of what you said, while I certainly dont mind racism being discussed, I really wish it wouldnt be discussed in the lines of attraction. While yes it can be an issue that needs addressing, slapping the label of racism on the problem doesnt foster discussion, but shuts it down.

    There I said it.


    I agree... We should not use attraction as a basis for pointing out who is racist or not...

    Yea... If a white guy turns me down, I could make the assumption that he's a racist...
    But does it mean that he's not racist if he doesn't turn me down?

    I shared the story in another thread of how when I turned down this white guy earlier this week (on the basis that he just wanted to give me a blowjob) that he went on to call me a lot of words that typically offends blacks...

    On the other hand, I started a conversation online with a white guy and he said
    "You have a really nice body... though I'm usually not into black guys." I can't tell you how much I respected those words.

    (This gives me an idea for my first thread :-D)
  • kolkii

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    Mar 16, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
    why so racist?
  • Generaleclect...

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    Mar 16, 2012 9:07 PM GMT
    I think we like race threads more than we let on. Do you see the explosion of replies most race threads get? That's gotta count for something.

    If anything, making an effort to actually discuss a issue is a lot better than denying that they exist, or thinking it's not important enough.
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    Mar 17, 2012 6:08 AM GMT
    Racism can be applied to attraction. When you have someone that says they are not attracted to a whole race? As if they have met everyone of them, as if they all look alike? Lumping all people of a race into one boat (this is commonly done). Racism is so enbeded in american culture sorry to say.

    Many people of color are invisible to "certain" races they don't even see them as a prospect. And unfortunately this carries over to who they want to hang with who they want to be friends with etc.

    And i always find it so funny how its always mostly caucasian people who are so tired of hearing about racism. For the most part white people hardly ever have to deal with it.....they are usually are the perpetuators of it Yet they are the first ones to say they are tired of hearing about people complaining about it.

    And now they want to make it seem like everything is so equal and racism just does not exist anymore....bull. So when the ones that usually have to deal with all the different forms of racism speak out about it...they are told they are using the race card etc...and sometimes they are vilified for speaking about it. As someone said earlier its easy to say get over it when you don't have to deal with it.
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    Mar 17, 2012 7:24 AM GMT
    Final_Fantasy saidOn the other hand, I started a conversation online with a white guy and he said
    "You have a really nice body... though I'm usually not into black guys." I can't tell you how much I respected those words.

    Well, I haven't yet seen your body... but I like your mind (as exhibited in first post above).
    And just in case that's not good enough, "I'm not usually into black guys". (:

    This was the main point I wanted to affirm:

    Final_Fantasy> I'm sure its easier to get over it when you aren't the one so commonly excluded

    I'm sure many str8 people wish we would just get over marriage equality, ENDA, DADT, etc.

    (But I still love you too, OP!)
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    Mar 17, 2012 5:02 PM GMT
    I'm not tired of reading them if its in the context of an open discussion instead of smug accusation, or applying the "hierarchy of victimhood" to the question. You never know when somebody will write something that may change your perspective, or at least cause you to research a question.

    Everybody has had different experiences. They should feel comfortable posting about them here. If the topic doesnt appeal to you, dont read the post.