" Is it safe to walk around Brooklyn if you are not Black? "

  • honeybadger

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    Mar 16, 2012 11:05 AM GMT
    I was asked this today by a Northern Italian guy in my Thai massage school.

    (He was attractive until he spoke.)

    I replied, "No and ESPECIALLY my neighborhood. Don't ever go there!"

    FYI- New York magazine voted my neighborhood the best to reside in NYC.

    Racism can be funny.

    Sometimes. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 16, 2012 11:12 AM GMT
    I'm not sure if a person from Italy asking a black guy from New York that particular question qualifies as racism. Especially considering he was asking a black guy. Seems like he trusted you, after all he was asking a black guy. If he was racist, don't you think he would have avoided you? So, instead of maybe being understanding and culturally sensitive, you were kind of a dick.
    I still don't see how you get racism out of his question either. Of course, given the chance to educate someone about racism, you chose to shut him down, slick move.
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    Mar 16, 2012 11:22 AM GMT
    Honeybadger saidI was asked this today by a Northern Italian guy in my Thai massage school.

    (He was attractive until he spoke.)

    I replied, "No and ESPECIALLY my neighborhood. Don't ever go there!"

    FYI- New York magazine voted my neighborhood the best to reside in NYC.

    Racism can be funny.

    Sometimes. icon_lol.gif
    LMAO! Thats great.. I took friends to NY a couple of years ago and told them we were taking the subway to the Bronx and Harlem because I wanted them to experience ALL of NYC.. (just hanging in Manhattan isnt the full experience). They were terrified..

    All said and done, they had a hell of a good time ESPECIALLY walking around in both Harlem and the Bronx!

    People are weird, I swear!
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    Mar 16, 2012 11:23 AM GMT
    If it were racism, he wouldn't have asked you, Mr. Honeybadger... He would have just trusted his beliefs that blacks were inferior brutes and avoided the rabble all together...

    I'm with Mr. Madfacts on this one... You had the chance to give your honest opinion and you chose witty sarcasm...

    I was asked by an exchange student from England just recently "Is grits a black people's food?" It was quite obvious to see that someone who believed had told him this... Though he was open-minded enough to go to a black person and ask without feeling as though HE was the one that was stereotyping...

    Lets give foreigners the right message please... A lot of them don't have the racist roots and have not been sensitized by political correctness like us Americans...
  • honeybadger

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    Mar 16, 2012 11:34 AM GMT
    In response to those who feel my reply was inappropriate or "dickish". I neglected to mention that he said he'd been to NYC before and considers himself a world traveller. He finished a 10 week course in thai massage and according to his fellow classmates is an arrogant and narcissistic asshole.

    Others who bore witness to this backed me up and were glad I said that.
    I'm still glad I said it.

    I have educated people who've made racial indiscretions before due to cultural ignorance and taken no offense.

    I stand by my actions.
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    Mar 16, 2012 11:40 AM GMT
    Honeybadger saidIn response to those who feel my reply was inappropriate or "dickish". I neglected to mention that he said he'd been to NYC before and considers himself a world traveller. He finished a 10 week course in thai massage and according to his fellow classmates is an arrogant and narcissistic asshole.

    Others who bore witness to this backed me up and were glad I said that.
    I'm still glad I said it.

    I have educated people who've made racial indiscretions before due to cultural ignorance and taken no offense.

    I stand by my actions.


    There we go~ lol~ icon_razz.gif
  • honeybadger

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    Mar 16, 2012 11:46 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    Honeybadger saidI was asked this today by a Northern Italian guy in my Thai massage school.

    (He was attractive until he spoke.)

    I replied, "No and ESPECIALLY my neighborhood. Don't ever go there!"

    FYI- New York magazine voted my neighborhood the best to reside in NYC.

    Racism can be funny.

    Sometimes. icon_lol.gif
    LMAO! Thats great.. I took friends to NY a couple of years ago and told them we were taking the subway to the Bronx and Harlem because I wanted them to experience ALL of NYC.. (just hanging in Manhattan isnt the full experience). They were terrified..

    All said and done, they had a hell of a good time ESPECIALLY walking around in both Harlem and the Bronx!

    People are weird, I swear!


    I agree. Quite entertaining though. He'd been to East Harlem and said everyone "stared" at him which made him scared.
  • emailaddress

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    Mar 16, 2012 11:50 AM GMT
    it sounds like an insult to brooklyn rather then to american africans in general.
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    Mar 16, 2012 11:50 AM GMT
    Honeybadger said
    TropicalMark said
    Honeybadger saidI was asked this today by a Northern Italian guy in my Thai massage school.

    (He was attractive until he spoke.)

    I replied, "No and ESPECIALLY my neighborhood. Don't ever go there!"

    FYI- New York magazine voted my neighborhood the best to reside in NYC.

    Racism can be funny.

    Sometimes. icon_lol.gif
    LMAO! Thats great.. I took friends to NY a couple of years ago and told them we were taking the subway to the Bronx and Harlem because I wanted them to experience ALL of NYC.. (just hanging in Manhattan isnt the full experience). They were terrified..

    All said and done, they had a hell of a good time ESPECIALLY walking around in both Harlem and the Bronx!

    People are weird, I swear!


    I agree. Quite entertaining though. He'd been to East Harlem and said everyone "stared" at him which made him scared.
    Hell, I just wave to em! Then ask where the best eats are!
  • RunnerMD

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    Mar 16, 2012 11:55 AM GMT
    Perhaps if he was more specific and made it racially neutral. There are dangerous areas of any city and someone asking about it is really not a bad idea. Usually the bigger problem is if some not from the area is walking through the area then they look like a big target.

    I'm sure people can take offense to it, but I have friends who live in border areas of DC and to be honest I don't feel safe walking near areas like that at night and certainly not by myself. Does *everyone* who does that get mugged, robbed, accosted or otherwise put themselves in harms way? No, but it certainly happens frequently enough that I'm not going to open myself up to it I don't care how many nice people live in that area.
  • honeybadger

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    Mar 16, 2012 12:00 PM GMT
    emailaddress saidit sounds like an insult to brooklyn rather then to american africans in general.


    I tend to consider the source before I am insulted.
    There was no way this dude could insult me or my boro.
    I just used him for amusement.

    And I'm just American.
    Never been to Africa or know anyone there.
  • unjaded

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    Mar 16, 2012 12:00 PM GMT
    honeybadger , learn what a racist statement or comment really is before you make a post . this right here is one the problems of confusion between what is a stupid question and what is a racist comment or statement .
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    Mar 16, 2012 12:06 PM GMT
    Honeybadger said
    emailaddress saidit sounds like an insult to brooklyn rather then to american africans in general.


    I tend to consider the source before I am insulted.
    There was no way this dude could insult me or my boro.
    I just used him for amusement.

    And I'm just American.
    Never been to Africa or know anyone there.
    LMAO!

    I lived in Africa.. and the funniest thing I observed, Africans cant stand "African-Americans".. they aren't "African" they are just "Americans"!
  • honeybadger

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    Mar 16, 2012 12:15 PM GMT
    unjaded saidhoneybadger , learn what a racist statement or comment really is before you make a post . this right here is one the problems of confusion between what is a stupid question and what is a racist comment or statement .


    I really don't think it's all as deep as you guys are needing to take it.

    Just a stupid funny incident that wouldn't have happened if I weren't perceived as "black".

    I've dealt with much more serious stuff than this before. Is there some unwritten posting rule I must adhere to?

    There was more. After I said that, he wanted to know my ethnic background because I didn't look "typically" black to him.

    I replied, "I'm American and that's all you need to know dude".

    When I extended my hand for him to shake. He gave me a "jive" handshake ended with a fist bump! I thank our President for that last part.

    I and my other foreign classmates found the incident funny.

    Guess I have a different sense of humor.
  • emailaddress

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    Mar 16, 2012 12:16 PM GMT
    Honeybadger said
    emailaddress saidit sounds like an insult to brooklyn rather then to american africans in general.


    I tend to consider the source before I am insulted.
    There was no way this dude could insult me or my boro.
    I just used him for amusement.

    And I'm just American.
    Never been to Africa or know anyone there.


    I see your point, in that sense you are quite right.

    Now I would really appreciate it if you could explain this to me,

    when I specifically want to describe your look so that people I am talking to knows we are talking about a non-Asian person, whats is the most appropriate word to say without them feeling the need to stress that they are American. I have never been to the US, so I dont know which of these terms are culturally acceptable.

    Is it ok to say that someone is

    black,
    or African American,
    or darker skinned,
    or non-Asian.

  • honeybadger

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    Mar 16, 2012 12:16 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    Honeybadger said
    emailaddress saidit sounds like an insult to brooklyn rather then to american africans in general.


    I tend to consider the source before I am insulted.
    There was no way this dude could insult me or my boro.
    I just used him for amusement.

    And I'm just American.
    Never been to Africa or know anyone there.
    LMAO!

    I lived in Africa.. and the funniest thing I observed, Africans cant stand "African-Americans".. they aren't "African" they are just "Americans"!


    THANK YOU!!!! You are totally on point! You so get it!!

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    Mar 16, 2012 12:21 PM GMT
    To be perfectly honest I believe the white devils are the safer breed.

    Because as LL says:

    "Once you go black the cops will attack".

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    xx
  • honeybadger

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    Mar 16, 2012 12:24 PM GMT
    emailaddress said
    Honeybadger said
    emailaddress saidit sounds like an insult to brooklyn rather then to american africans in general.


    I tend to consider the source before I am insulted.
    There was no way this dude could insult me or my boro.
    I just used him for amusement.

    And I'm just American.
    Never been to Africa or know anyone there.


    I see your point, in that sense you are quite right.

    Now I would really appreciate it if you could explain this to me,

    when I specifically want to describe your look so that people I am talking to knows we are talking about a non-Asian person, whats is the most appropriate word to say without them feeling the need to stress that they are American. I have never been to the US, so I dont know which of these terms are culturally acceptable.

    Is it ok to say that someone is

    black,
    or African American,
    or darker skinned,
    or non-Asian.



    My look "specifically" is a nice bronze or cinnamon brown complexion. Dark brown eyes with really nice smooth skin. (confirmed by my classmates!)
    I'm multi ethnic and feel really bad about neglecting the ancestors who came together to create me.

    Americans come in all shapes, colors and ethnic backgrounds.
    We are not what we seem on the surface regardless of what color one maybe.

    Tell them I'm a fucking hot as hell American
  • emailaddress

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    Mar 16, 2012 12:39 PM GMT
    Honeybadger said
    emailaddress said
    Honeybadger said
    emailaddress saidit sounds like an insult to brooklyn rather then to american africans in general.


    I tend to consider the source before I am insulted.
    There was no way this dude could insult me or my boro.
    I just used him for amusement.

    And I'm just American.
    Never been to Africa or know anyone there.


    I see your point, in that sense you are quite right.

    Now I would really appreciate it if you could explain this to me,

    when I specifically want to describe your look so that people I am talking to knows we are talking about a non-Asian person, whats is the most appropriate word to say without them feeling the need to stress that they are American. I have never been to the US, so I dont know which of these terms are culturally acceptable.

    Is it ok to say that someone is

    black,
    or African American,
    or darker skinned,
    or non-Asian.



    My look "specifically" is a nice bronze or cinnamon brown complexion. Dark brown eyes with really nice smooth skin. (confirmed by my classmates!)
    I'm multi ethnic and feel really bad about neglecting the ancestors who came together to create me.



    yes you are quite right, and there is usually a collective name for it.

    For example, if i want to specifically complement your skin pigmentation and texture,

    Do I say that you have beautiful,

    American skin,
    or african skin,
    or black skin,
    or cinnamon brown skin.

    If it were an Asian person, I just Asian skins are soft and smooth. and its ok. but its not the same when I talk to a "dark eyed smooth skinned cinnamon brown" person. its either when i say someone is "black" and the conversation stops or when I call someone "African-american", they say they are not african just american and then the conversation stops.

    I am totally confused, please tell me what is appropriate. or should I just not talk about it at all, dont even go there. Just avoid anything topic that is relating to colour or cultural heritage.


  • mybud

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    Mar 16, 2012 1:23 PM GMT
    Honeybadger saidI was asked this today by a Northern Italian guy in my Thai massage school.

    (He was attractive until he spoke.)

    I replied, "No and ESPECIALLY my neighborhood. Don't ever go there!"

    FYI- New York magazine voted my neighborhood the best to reside in NYC.

    Racism can be funny.

    Sometimes. icon_lol.gif
    When you come on here you state a lot how so in so said racist things..Your over sensitive bullshit is a waste of thread space..The guy above is right...he wouldn't have asked you...a man of color your thoughts on the subject if he was racist...get over it
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    Mar 16, 2012 1:26 PM GMT
    Well Brooklyn has changed alot in the last decade but I can understand his confusion, people hear negative stereotypes and neighborhoods do change icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 16, 2012 5:33 PM GMT
    I think it was probably because you were black he assumed you lived in that area and wanted to know. I can tell you as a foreigner you hear certain things and don't know if it's truth and words on the internet may/may not be accurate, so if he never visited that area before I don't get him wrong wanting to know if it's safe from a local as he might have been a complete stranger to NYC and wanted to visit the area but was unsure whether it was safe.

    And now you denied a visitor from your area AND he's probably going to go back and tell his friends and family that your area is a bad one, which is only continuing the idea that your area is bad.
  • honeybadger

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    Mar 16, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
    mybud said
    Honeybadger saidI was asked this today by a Northern Italian guy in my Thai massage school.

    (He was attractive until he spoke.)

    I replied, "No and ESPECIALLY my neighborhood. Don't ever go there!"

    FYI- New York magazine voted my neighborhood the best to reside in NYC.

    Racism can be funny.

    Sometimes. icon_lol.gif
    When you come on here you state a lot how so in so said racist things..Your over sensitive bullshit is a waste of thread space..The guy above is right...he wouldn't have asked you...a man of color your thoughts on the subject if he was racist...get over it


    No. I don't think so. Dude, you are confused.
  • honeybadger

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    Mar 16, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
    MarkRoger saidI think it was probably because you were black he assumed you lived in that area and wanted to know. I can tell you as a foreigner you hear certain things and don't know if it's truth and words on the internet may/may not be accurate, so if he never visited that area before I don't get him wrong wanting to know if it's safe from a local as he might have been a complete stranger to NYC and wanted to visit the area but was unsure whether it was safe.

    And now you denied a visitor from your area AND he's probably going to go back and tell his friends and family that your area is a bad one, which is only continuing the idea that your area is bad.


    That's fine for me. I live in Utopia aka the best 'hood in NYC! (according to NY magazine)

    I tend not to care what people who don't matter to me ( this forum ) think.

    Just came back from a night out with fellow classmates who were actually present during the incident who continually referenced and applauded what I said. I found out one of the female thai students were warned about this guy by the staff.

    I honestly don't think he will do that. He felt kind of stupid afterward. He's the type of straight guy who will go home and tell his friends about all the thai women he fucked. I'm sure I am not on his mind at all. After I finish writing this he won't be on mine either. Leaving for Malaysia on Monday!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 16, 2012 7:06 PM GMT
    I think the OP is way too hypersensitive about this subject. And in doing so, only reenforces the stereotype that blacks like to throw the race card around.He was from another country and wanted an honest opinion. I'm sure you would have questions yourself if you were in a strange city. And then you say you don't care what we in the forum think, so why would you bother to make a thread about it then?

    You=Fail.