Breaking: Verdict Announced In Anti-Gay Rutgers Webcam Spying Case – Details

  • metta

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    Mar 16, 2012 4:22 PM GMT

    Breaking: Verdict Announced In Anti-Gay Rutgers Webcam Spying Case – Details

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/breaking-verdict-announced-in-anti-gay-rutgers-webcam-spying-case-details/news/2012/03/16/36592
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    Mar 16, 2012 4:58 PM GMT
    Wait til the peeper gets to the Big House. Then he'll get to experience some M2M loving of his own. icon_wink.gif
  • kolkii

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    Mar 16, 2012 5:07 PM GMT
    My tax money to give him healthcare while in prison?

    Deport him.
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    Mar 16, 2012 5:42 PM GMT
    Good. Though I'm not sure a 10-year sentence, which he faces, would be appropriate. US prison sentences are way too long, especially when compared to most of the civilized world. I'd like to see him get around 5, meaning he serves 3, then be deported.
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    Mar 16, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    Before the verdict was announced he was smiling and his mood seemed light as if he believed he was going to be found innocent. When the first count was read and and the jury said guilty, his face sank. His lawyers should have prepared him that count, invasion of privacy on its own without a charge of bias intimidation attached to it, was probably not going to go his way. The jury probably got through that count very quickly without much discussion. It was the bias intimidation charges that brought the most deliberation.
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    Mar 16, 2012 6:24 PM GMT
    It is a just outcome, which will serve as a stark warning to anyone else who contemplates taking similar action.
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    Mar 16, 2012 6:24 PM GMT
    Hope he gets deported after his 5-10 years in prison.
  • SkyMiles

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    Mar 16, 2012 6:44 PM GMT
    There's nothing happy about this story. It's not much but at least it's something that that mean-spirited little bastard get's what he deserves, if only because it usually doesn't go down that way for most of them.
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    Mar 16, 2012 6:49 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is a just outcome, which will serve as a stark warning to anyone else who contemplates taking similar action.

    He is learning a hard lesson of unintended consequences. I don't think for a moment that he wanted his roommate dead and he was using this camera to drive him to jump.
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    Mar 16, 2012 7:06 PM GMT
    Caslon18453 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is a just outcome, which will serve as a stark warning to anyone else who contemplates taking similar action.

    He is learning a hard lesson of unintended consequences. I don't think for a moment that he wanted his roommate dead and he was using this camera to drive him to jump.


    Of course he did not intend Tyler's death, but Tyler's deep psychological trauma (and arguably his suicide) was a reasonably foreseeable consequence of the defendant's actions.
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    Mar 16, 2012 7:10 PM GMT
    Ravi stands convicted of 15 felonies. The word needs to be spread that gay bullying (and all bullying) is not going to be tolerated anymore. As a kid who was bullied, I can never forget the horrible pain - the gut wrenching fear I went through............threatened by the bully about what would happen if I told a parent or teacher. I was literally sick at heart with fear and horror. Think what all these little kids, or students of any age - go through while being bullied. I hope Ravi's punishment serves as notice to bullies.........they'd better knock it off.

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    Mar 16, 2012 7:27 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidBefore the verdict was announced he was smiling and his mood seemed light as if he believed he was going to be found innocent. When the first count was read and and the jury said guilty, his face sank. His lawyers should have prepared him that count, invasion of privacy on its own without a charge of bias intimidation attached to it, was probably not going to go his way. The jury probably got through that count very quickly without much discussion. It was the bias intimidation charges that brought the most deliberation.

    His lawyers should have had him accept the pre-trial plea bargain, which would have avoided any prison time, had him do community service, and possibly even avoided deportation as a non-felon. I think his lawyers screwed him royally, unless it was solely his or his family's decision to decline the plea deal. If his lawyers convinced him he could beat the charges they seriously miscalculated.

    Of course, there's always appeal, which in the US is a wild card that's hard to predict. If the appeal reaches a homophobic Republican judge or panel he'll be off Scott free.
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    Mar 16, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Caslon18453 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is a just outcome, which will serve as a stark warning to anyone else who contemplates taking similar action.

    He is learning a hard lesson of unintended consequences. I don't think for a moment that he wanted his roommate dead and he was using this camera to drive him to jump.


    Of course he did not intend Tyler's death, but Tyler's deep psychological trauma (and arguably his suicide) was a reasonably foreseeable consequence of the defendant's actions.


    In India, they call this Karma
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    Mar 16, 2012 7:32 PM GMT
    Meh. Just deport him and exchange him for a hot guy from his country instead.
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    Mar 16, 2012 7:43 PM GMT
    Not sure how I feel about this. Obviously guilty on the invasion of privacy bit, but I'm not sure the appeals courts will agree given that the Roberts Court have ridiculously ruled that crazy homophobes are allowed to disrupt private funerals on 1st Amendment grounds. A foolish ruling -- par the course for this Supreme Court -- but I fail to see how this is substantively different.

    The "bias intimidation" thing...I don't like that at all. A guilty verdict on that is creeping dangerously close to a violation of civil liberties, especially when tied to hate crime law. I support hate crime law, but only attached to an actual commission of a crime. What is bias intimidation? Is it simply being a jerk or an asshole? If so, that should not be criminal.

    Anyone here with legal expertise care to weigh in?
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    Mar 16, 2012 7:44 PM GMT
    Caslon18453 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is a just outcome, which will serve as a stark warning to anyone else who contemplates taking similar action.

    He is learning a hard lesson of unintended consequences. I don't think for a moment that he wanted his roommate dead and he was using this camera to drive him to jump.
    Interesting read from that article:
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/02/06/120206fa_fact_parker

    If you read about Ravi growing up, I get the impression he was not raised to be considerate of others. I notice this in families where both parents work.

    I have to be personally satisfied this case has become one of many catalysts for a social movement that benefits LGBT youth in general. But, we have to wait for the legal system to take its full course.
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    Mar 16, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
    If I'd been sentenced every time I was a complete asshole when I was in college I'd be writing this from prison today.
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    Mar 16, 2012 8:00 PM GMT
    Coach_Mike saidIf I'd been sentenced every time I was a complete asshole when I was in college I'd be writing this from prison today.


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    Mar 16, 2012 8:11 PM GMT
    he should have taken the plea

    I do not believe that the suicide was allowed to be brought up in this case and rightfully so

    he will not get the full 10 years but this is a lesson to be learned from other people to take responsibility and be accountable for ones own actions
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    Mar 16, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    TrojanAthlete saidNot sure how I feel about this. Obviously guilty on the invasion of privacy bit, but I'm not sure the appeals courts will agree given that the Roberts Court have ridiculously ruled that crazy homophobes are allowed to disrupt private funerals on 1st Amendment grounds. A foolish ruling -- par the course for this Supreme Court -- but I fail to see how this is substantively different.

    The "bias intimidation" thing...I don't like that at all. A guilty verdict on that is creeping dangerously close to a violation of civil liberties, especially when tied to hate crime law. I support hate crime law, but only attached to an actual commission of a crime. What is bias intimidation? Is it simply being a jerk or an asshole? If so, that should not be criminal.

    Anyone here with legal expertise care to weigh in?
    'Bias intimidation' is the same thing as "hate crime enhancement" under NJ law.. and yes, it WAS attached to a "crime". The first one he was convicted on!
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    Mar 16, 2012 8:26 PM GMT
    Coach_Mike saidIf I'd been sentenced every time I was a complete asshole when I was in college I'd be writing this from prison today.
    I fear your generalization is flawed. Did you persecute people for not taking care of themselves, for having a less-than-useful major (liberal-arts), or on their race or orientation?
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    Mar 16, 2012 8:32 PM GMT
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    Coach_Mike saidIf I'd been sentenced every time I was a complete asshole when I was in college I'd be writing this from prison today.
    I fear your generalization is flawed. Did you persecute people for not taking care of themselves, for having a less-than-useful major (liberal-arts), or on their race or orientation?
    Yeah that newyorker article really shed some light on this guy.

    And tbh I think he went a bit aboce and beyond being an asshole. ANd lets not forget that when some of you were in college they were much more lenient on things like hazing, and sexual abuse and whatnot. That doesn't make it right though. What the kid did was terribly terribly wrong, and apaprently he like to post offensive things to twitter often, showing he didn't even remotely respect his roomate.

    I mean who, when the rommate asks for the room, goes somewher elese on turns on the webcam?

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    Mar 16, 2012 8:54 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH saidI suspect he's going to get over his discomfort with gay sex very soon.

    I actually expect these outcomes: the judge will give him the minimum sentence allowed, probation if possible with no jail time. Deportation may then follow. And appeals courts will eventually overturn the verdict, if the family wishes to fight it so he can remain in the US.
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    JPtheBITCH saidI suspect he's going to get over his discomfort with gay sex very soon.

    I actually expect these outcomes: the judge will give him the minimum sentence allowed, probation if possible with no jail time. Deportation may then follow. And appeals courts will eventually overturn the verdict, if the family wishes to fight it so he can remain in the US.


    I think he has a chance to get his convictions with bias intimidation overturned, concerning his constitutional rights, but there is one conviction of invasion of privacy that stands on it own and that alone would bring a five year sentence. That it is going to be a difficult conviction to get overturned.
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    Mar 16, 2012 9:16 PM GMT
    TrojanAthlete saidNot sure how I feel about this. Obviously guilty on the invasion of privacy bit, but I'm not sure the appeals courts will agree given that the Roberts Court have ridiculously ruled that crazy homophobes are allowed to disrupt private funerals on 1st Amendment grounds. A foolish ruling -- par the course for this Supreme Court -- but I fail to see how this is substantively different.

    The "bias intimidation" thing...I don't like that at all. A guilty verdict on that is creeping dangerously close to a violation of civil liberties, especially when tied to hate crime law. I support hate crime law, but only attached to an actual commission of a crime. What is bias intimidation? Is it simply being a jerk or an asshole? If so, that should not be criminal.

    Anyone here with legal expertise care to weigh in?


    I'm with you on this, it's a hard one for me to get behind. I wonder if he had been spying on a girl if the outcome would have been the same. Guilty of invasion of privacy, yes. Guilty of being stupid, definitely. Bias intimidation, I' not sure I'm buying that one either. Where is the line between being a jerk and bias intimidation. Would it have been bias intimidation against women if it had been a woman in the room?

    This is just a lose, lose, lose for everyone. Way too many lives totally ruined, it's very sad.