The gay ban of New York's St. Patrick's Day Parade is un-Irish

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    Mar 17, 2012 8:13 PM GMT
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/mar/16/gay-ban-st-patricks-day?newsfeed=true

    "Today, the Fifth Avenue committee operates a sort of "don't ask, don't tell" policy. It insists that gay people are allowed to march – so long as they don't advertise their sexuality. To me, this attitude is outmoded, misrepresents modern Ireland, and as a Dubliner, is not something I recognize.

    What this committee might be ignoring is a simple fact about modern Ireland: It's okay with gay stuff. Recent surveys have shown that a significant majority of Irish people approve of gay marriage, with a 2012 poll showing that 73% approve of gay marriage being allowed in the country's constitution. Civil unions have been legal in Ireland since 2010, and received all-party support. And, notably, the Dublin St Patrick's Day parade has regularly included gay-themed floats.

    In 2010, our former president even refused an invitation to be grand marshal on the grounds that the New York parade excludes gay groups; and our current foreign minister has responded to the ban by saying that "exclusion is not an Irish thing."

    For my money, I won't be heading down to Fifth Avenue this year. Give me the embarrassing tackiness of the Dublin celebrations, any day. The New York City parade is celebrating an Ireland that no longer exists."
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    Mar 17, 2012 8:20 PM GMT
    Stan904 saidhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/mar/16/gay-ban-st-patricks-day?newsfeed=true

    "Today, the Fifth Avenue committee operates a sort of "don't ask, don't tell" policy. It insists that gay people are allowed to march – so long as they don't advertise their sexuality. To me, this attitude is outmoded, misrepresents modern Ireland, and as a Dubliner, is not something I recognize.

    What this committee might be ignoring is a simple fact about modern Ireland: It's okay with gay stuff. Recent surveys have shown that a significant majority of Irish people approve of gay marriage, with a 2012 poll showing that 73% approve of gay marriage being allowed in the country's constitution. Civil unions have been legal in Ireland since 2010, and received all-party support. And, notably, the Dublin St Patrick's Day parade has regularly included gay-themed floats.

    In 2010, our former president even refused an invitation to be grand marshal on the grounds that the New York parade excludes gay groups; and our current foreign minister has responded to the ban by saying that "exclusion is not an Irish thing."

    For my money, I won't be heading down to Fifth Avenue this year. Give me the embarrassing tackiness of the Dublin celebrations, any day. The New York City parade is celebrating an Ireland that no longer exists."

    Thank you. Now get prepared for personal attacks from the US Republican members here, who hate most things that favor gay rights, and who side with gay hatred & discrimination, like the organizers of New York's St. Patrick's Day parade.
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    Mar 17, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
    Stan904 saidhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/mar/16/gay-ban-st-patricks-day?newsfeed=true

    "Today, the Fifth Avenue committee operates a sort of "don't ask, don't tell" policy. It insists that gay people are allowed to march – so long as they don't advertise their sexuality. To me, this attitude is outmoded, misrepresents modern Ireland, and as a Dubliner, is not something I recognize.

    What this committee might be ignoring is a simple fact about modern Ireland: It's okay with gay stuff. Recent surveys have shown that a significant majority of Irish people approve of gay marriage, with a 2012 poll showing that 73% approve of gay marriage being allowed in the country's constitution. Civil unions have been legal in Ireland since 2010, and received all-party support. And, notably, the Dublin St Patrick's Day parade has regularly included gay-themed floats.

    In 2010, our former president even refused an invitation to be grand marshal on the grounds that the New York parade excludes gay groups; and our current foreign minister has responded to the ban by saying that "exclusion is not an Irish thing."

    For my money, I won't be heading down to Fifth Avenue this year. Give me the embarrassing tackiness of the Dublin celebrations, any day. The New York City parade is celebrating an Ireland that no longer exists."
    The "Irish" here in The US are "Americans".. they are NOT Irish nor do they represent the Irish people. They DO represent America and its rather bigoted side and additionally the 'vatican'.
    Please do NOT equate the NYC St Patrick's day parade with the views of the Irish people.
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    Mar 17, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
    But Saint Pats Day has nothing to do with the Gay Agenda,and has every right to try to prevent gay activists from hijacking it, for their own agenda. St Pats day also has little to do with Modern Irland, but a Pome who the Irish imprisoned, and latter went back and become an Irish Catholic saint.

    How do you think gay activist would feel if straights and Christians started to hijack gay pride orgies to promote their agenda/ I'm sure they would scream like wet cats. maybe some here should try to see how the other side view things, it's very liberating.
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    Mar 18, 2012 12:23 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
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    How do you think gay activist would feel if straights and Christians started to hijack gay pride orgies to promote their agenda/ I'm sure they would scream like wet cats. maybe some here should try to see how the other side view things, it's very liberating.


    The liberal hens are incapable of such thought.



    Well, seeing as how I have the two dumb-dumbs together, I can correct both of you at the same time.
    If you go to a Pride parade, you'll see religious groups supporting gays and marching in the parade. You'll also see lots of straights doing the same, as well as making up part of the crowds watching.

    -Doug

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    Mar 18, 2012 12:29 AM GMT
    ...and because I'm fair, unlike either of you, here; a link:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gay-pride-parade-highlighted-religious-groups-article-1.220753


    ...and here's an organization that encourages straight and gay friendship and straight involvement (in Pride etc)

    http://www.swishpride.org/about/board/index.shtml
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    Mar 18, 2012 12:45 AM GMT
    Stan904 said... For my money, I won't be heading down to Fifth Avenue this year.
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    If I were in NYC, I'd go to the parade and wear a gay-themed shirt just to piss them off.
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    Mar 18, 2012 2:06 AM GMT
    meninlove said ...and because I'm fair, unlike either of you, here; a link:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gay-pride-parade-highlighted-religious-groups-article-1.220753


    ...and here's an organization that encourages straight and gay friendship and straight involvement (in Pride etc)

    http://www.swishpride.org/about/board/index.shtml


    I'm sure you too see yourselves as the good guys too, but my experience tells one diffrent, albeit one is kinder than the other; maybe even more secure in self?

    My mistake was I used straight were I should of used conservative. Also I being a homosexual living out in the real world, and in a long term homosexual relationship, were most of our friends are straight, we to promote relations between homosexual and hetrosexual! As well I have many religus and conservative friends too; and I/we are seen as a very kind supportive people too.

    But you just have to look at all the hate and contempt here at RJ for anything religus and conservative here at RJ too prove my point.
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    Mar 18, 2012 2:09 AM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidBut Saint Pats Day has nothing to do with the Gay Agenda,and has every right to try to prevent gay activists from hijacking it, for their own agenda. St Pats day also has little to do with Modern Irland, but a Pome who the Irish imprisoned, and latter went back and become an Irish Catholic saint.

    How do you think gay activist would feel if straights and Christians started to hijack gay pride orgies to promote their agenda/ I'm sure they would scream like wet cats. maybe some here should try to see how the other side view things, it's very liberating.


    Indeed!
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    Mar 18, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie said
    meninlove said ...and because I'm fair, unlike either of you, here; a link:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gay-pride-parade-highlighted-religious-groups-article-1.220753


    ...and here's an organization that encourages straight and gay friendship and straight involvement (in Pride etc)

    http://www.swishpride.org/about/board/index.shtml


    I'm sure you too see yourselves as the good guys too, but my experience tells one diffrent, albeit one is kinder than the other; maybe even more secure in self?

    My mistake was I used straight were I should of used conservative. Also I being a homosexual living out in the real world, and in a long term homosexual relationship, were most of our friends are straight, we to promote relations between homosexual and hetrosexual! As well I have many religus and conservative friends too; and I/we are seen as a very kind supportive people too.

    But you just have to look at all the hate and contempt here at RJ for anything religus and conservative here at RJ too prove my point.
    Gay conservatives do nothing to promote gay rights. If anything, they hinder them.
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    Mar 18, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
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    TrueBlueAussie saidBut Saint Pats Day has nothing to do with the Gay Agenda,and has every right to try to prevent gay activists from hijacking it, for their own agenda. St Pats day also has little to do with Modern Irland, but a Pome who the Irish imprisoned, and latter went back and become an Irish Catholic saint.

    How do you think gay activist would feel if straights and Christians started to hijack gay pride orgies to promote their agenda/ I'm sure they would scream like wet cats. maybe some here should try to see how the other side view things, it's very liberating.


    Indeed!


    Two idiots who know nothing about the politics surrounding gay exclusion from the NYC St. Patrick's Day Parade. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 18, 2012 2:32 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    NewNDiscreet said
    TrueBlueAussie saidBut Saint Pats Day has nothing to do with the Gay Agenda,and has every right to try to prevent gay activists from hijacking it, for their own agenda. St Pats day also has little to do with Modern Irland, but a Pome who the Irish imprisoned, and latter went back and become an Irish Catholic saint.

    How do you think gay activist would feel if straights and Christians started to hijack gay pride orgies to promote their agenda/ I'm sure they would scream like wet cats. maybe some here should try to see how the other side view things, it's very liberating.


    Indeed!


    Two idiots who know nothing about the politics surrounding gay exclusion from the NYC St. Patrick's Day Parade. icon_rolleyes.gif


    And an idiot who can't count as there are three of us...maybe us being gay doesn't have to be injected into every aspect, holiday, event in life.
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    Mar 18, 2012 2:33 AM GMT
    fucking leprechauns
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    Mar 18, 2012 2:42 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidfucking leprechauns


    Hey now, don't be hating on the leprechauns.

    They give fantastic head and don't even need to be on their knees while doing it.
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    Mar 18, 2012 4:08 AM GMT
    NewNDiscreet said
    Christian73 said
    NewNDiscreet said
    TrueBlueAussie saidBut Saint Pats Day has nothing to do with the Gay Agenda,and has every right to try to prevent gay activists from hijacking it, for their own agenda. St Pats day also has little to do with Modern Irland, but a Pome who the Irish imprisoned, and latter went back and become an Irish Catholic saint.

    How do you think gay activist would feel if straights and Christians started to hijack gay pride orgies to promote their agenda/ I'm sure they would scream like wet cats. maybe some here should try to see how the other side view things, it's very liberating.


    Indeed!


    Two idiots who know nothing about the politics surrounding gay exclusion from the NYC St. Patrick's Day Parade. icon_rolleyes.gif


    And an idiot who can't count as there are three of us...maybe us being gay doesn't have to be injected into every aspect, holiday, event in life.


    Really? The Aussie douche and you make three people? Are you a conjoined twin?

    In any event, allowing the ILGO to march wouldn't "inject" gay into the holiday except to allow people dignity. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 18, 2012 4:12 AM GMT
    Trueblueaussie said,

    "I'm sure you too see yourselves as the good guys too, but my experience tells one diffrent, albeit one is kinder than the other; maybe even more secure in self?"

    What crap; it's been Doug posting. When I post an idea or thinking of Bill's I sign it Bill.

    Surprise; I'm more than one-dimensional.

    Now, after your diatribe about gays getting themselves in a knot over straight and religious participation in Pride, I've given you links to help evacuate the hot air you've been venting. If venting makes you feel good, fine.
    If it twigs me, I'll say something. Such is your right, and such is mine.

    *cheshire cat grin*

    -Doug icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 18, 2012 4:40 AM GMT
    "Really? The Aussie douche and you make three people? Are you a conjoined twin?

    In any event, allowing the ILGO to march wouldn't "inject" gay into the holiday except to allow people dignity"


    C73, your stupidity and ugliness know no bounds . . .


    . . . I suppose if Mother Teresa eschewed cocksucking it must have been because she was a bigot . . . St. Patrick was and is a Catholic saint, and, whether you like it or not, the Catholics do have a coherent philosophy of the body . . . one can certainly disagree with the Catholic magisterium, but one cannot reasonably expect the church to abandon and betray its core beliefs so that non-believers and heretics can feel good about themselves for a day . . .


    oh but of course that is exactly what you expect, and not just expect but demand at the point of a government gun . . .
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    Mar 18, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
    O, the luck of the Irish!
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    Mar 18, 2012 6:50 AM GMT
    That's a bit disappointing... I think i heard this a year or two back so it is an ongoing policy... Especially if the president turned down an invite to be grand marshall on these grounds and made a point about it.... But then a part of me kinda sees they may just be wary of allowing the parade become hijacked to forward the gay rights agenda and any other agenda for that matter... If they are protecting it as an entirely neutral , non political event .. Then i could respect their decision but i suspect this may not be the case
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    Mar 18, 2012 7:10 AM GMT
    St. Patrick wasn't even Irish, He was British! He was kidnapped by Pirates and held in captivity in Ireland.
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    Mar 18, 2012 7:15 AM GMT
    Everyone knows that the Irish support gay rights:

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    Note the rainbows in their cereal.
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    Mar 18, 2012 8:28 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    NewNDiscreet said
    Christian73 said
    NewNDiscreet said
    TrueBlueAussie saidBut Saint Pats Day has nothing to do with the Gay Agenda,and has every right to try to prevent gay activists from hijacking it, for their own agenda. St Pats day also has little to do with Modern Irland, but a Pome who the Irish imprisoned, and latter went back and become an Irish Catholic saint.

    How do you think gay activist would feel if straights and Christians started to hijack gay pride orgies to promote their agenda/ I'm sure they would scream like wet cats. maybe some here should try to see how the other side view things, it's very liberating.


    Indeed!


    Two idiots who know nothing about the politics surrounding gay exclusion from the NYC St. Patrick's Day Parade. icon_rolleyes.gif


    And an idiot who can't count as there are three of us...maybe us being gay doesn't have to be injected into every aspect, holiday, event in life.


    Really? The Aussie douche and you make three people? Are you a conjoined twin?

    In any event, allowing the ILGO to march wouldn't "inject" gay into the holiday except to allow people dignity. icon_rolleyes.gif


    southbeach1500, TrueBlueAussie and myself make three, nice try pretending that Southbeach1500 wasn't part of the larger conversation...

    bullshit.
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    Mar 18, 2012 8:30 AM GMT
    I blame Warwick Davis

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    The high heeled buckle shoes, the tights, that jaunty hat...dragalicious!
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    Mar 18, 2012 8:36 AM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidBut Saint Pats Day has nothing to do with the Gay Agenda,and has every right to try to prevent gay activists from hijacking it, for their own agenda. St Pats day also has little to do with Modern Irland, but a Pome who the Irish imprisoned, and latter went back and become an Irish Catholic saint.

    How do you think gay activist would feel if straights and Christians started to hijack gay pride orgies to promote their agenda/ I'm sure they would scream like wet cats. maybe some here should try to see how the other side view things, it's very liberating.


    Ummm, they all ready do that, you have homophobes screaming at my pride parade, my AIDS walk and oh...my new years celebration on Park Street.
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    Mar 18, 2012 10:17 AM GMT
    That gay ban sucks.