The Forgotten History of Gay Marriage

  • metta

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    Mar 19, 2012 2:19 AM GMT

    The Forgotten History of Gay Marriage

    http://www.care2.com/causes/the-forgotten-history-of-gay-marriage.html#ixzz1pFhlFhSv
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    Mar 20, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
    not forgotten: unknown by the absurdly superficial and equally arrogant american religious right who tout as "traditional" something which in its modern form is mere decades old.
  • metta

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    May 18, 2012 12:03 AM GMT
    I just want to remind people that gay marriage has a long history in Christianity so I'm bumping up this thread. It shows that Jesus Christ attended as well.
  • barriehomeboy

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    May 18, 2012 12:08 AM GMT
    Go rent Alexander: The final cut. Men have been accepted as being gay long before Christ came along and the assholes hhat believed in him fucked it all up for us.
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    May 18, 2012 12:08 AM GMT
    Continued:
    Contra these arguments:
    Fordham University of New York offers a discussion of a 7th century CE text on the life of Theodore of Sykeon, which suggests that in some cases ἀδελφοποίησις may have involved a more intense male-male relationship:

    http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/sykeon-adelpho.asp

    Summary: It is possible that the institution of ἀδελφοποίησις may have at some point been connected to carnal activity between males, but to interpret it as a form of 'gay marriage' is anachronistic and uncritical. An interpreter of primary source material must always read it within its cultural context. To translate and interpret source material for an unstated or unexamined agenda is academically dishonest.

    Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/the-forgotten-history-of-gay-marriage.html#ixzz1vAvODmlD


    Found this in one of the comments. Just playing devils advocate and not trying to make your point moot.
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    May 18, 2012 12:14 AM GMT
    That may or may not be true. But really it should be irrelevant to the debate about gay marriage as a government institution. Separation of church and state, all that jazz.
  • Lincsbear

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    May 18, 2012 12:24 AM GMT
    A very interesting article, makes you think how beliefs and practices evolve with time.

    Good points about interpretation with no pre-existing agenda. You have to be very careful and see the cultural context of words and images that seem so obvious to the modern mind, but may have meant something different to those there at the time.

    It`s similar to the ambiguous evidence for women being priests in late Classical/ early Christian antiquity.

    Either way, the 'traditional' form of marriage/family promoted by the fundamentalists is a new form in the long history of marriage, not an old or original one.
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    May 18, 2012 12:25 AM GMT
    And the real secret that Republicans don't want you to know is that ALL marriages in the US are civil ceremonies, authorized by the separate States. The only difference is that the State can choose to delegate the authority to perform the ceremony to a religious minister, rabbi, or other clergy person. As can a Justice of the Peace, a Judge, or anyone else the State shall authorize. Hell, as a Commissioned US Federal Officer (now honorably retired), even *I* can administer oaths, to include marriage in some State jurisdictions.

    But a marriage is legally meaningless, and not valid, without a State-issued marriage license. All a minister does is sign that 2 people have confirmed their wish to marry in his/her presence. He/she doesn't actually "marry" anyone, nor does the church. Without a State-issued marriage license, all the mumbo-jumbo in a church means nothing, marries no one, has no legal standing.

    But that's the Big Lie that Republicans and Christians are selling us, that marriage in the US is solely a religious rite, that only churches can define. So that according to them, by inference, all those couples married by a judge outside a church, whether straight or gay, aren't really married at all.
  • newral

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    May 18, 2012 12:52 AM GMT
    metta8 saidI just want to remind people that gay marriage has a long history in Christianity so I'm bumping up this thread. It shows that Jesus Christ attended as well.



    How does that show that "Jesus Christ attended"? That is such a long stretch.
    I also don't see how this shows that gay marriage has a long history in Christianity. It would be nice if this was conclusive evidence to prove that point, but your contention is incredibly attenuated at best based on what you provide for support.
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    May 18, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
    I personally think there are two types of marrige. Legal marriage - where you sign a legal document that means what mine in yours and yours is mine - and for spiritual/religious people, there is that commitment before your god.

    If you believe the latter, any of us could marry our partner in god's eyes ... if you mean what you say/pray.

    If God exsists, does he recognise marriages between couples (straight or gay) who have excluded Him from their union?
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    May 18, 2012 1:51 AM GMT
    barriehomeboy saidGo rent Alexander: The final cut. Men have been accepted as being gay long before Christ came along and the assholes hhat believed in him fucked it all up for us.


    I wondered if that version showed more about two men in love than the general release showed.
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    May 18, 2012 2:31 AM GMT
    It's great to look at the past as examples of the good and bad that came before us. But I don't think it really think it matters in any one religion what they think about gays. Because one of the founding principles of this country is separate church and state.