A same-sex couple could get jail time if they travel to California to get married

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    Jul 10, 2008 4:09 PM GMT
    A same-sex couple in Wisconsin could get jail time if they travel to California to get married

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/07/09/dnt.wi.same.sex.jail.wkow
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    Jul 10, 2008 6:49 PM GMT
    It amazes me how some "family" advocates can be so belligerent and capricious. Joleen Appling, the CEO of Wisconsin Family Council said in this video, "Someone has to prosecute them." And she said it in all seriousness! She wants these women prosecuted for getting married in California. Are you nuts? Why are lunatics like this even taken seriously?

    This woman probably makes a six figure salary advocating the enforcement of draconian, archaic, Puritan-era legislation that now only targets gays. This is ludicrous.
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    Jul 10, 2008 7:11 PM GMT
    Global_Citizen saidIt amazes me how some "family" advocates can be so belligerent and capricious. Joleen Appling, the CEO of Wisconsin Family Council said in this video, "Someone has to prosecute them." And she said it in all seriousness! She wants these women prosecuted for getting married in California. Are you nuts? Why are lunatics like this even taken seriously?

    This woman probably makes a six figure salary advocating the enforcement of draconian, archaic, Puritan-era legislation that now only targets gays. This is ludicrous.


    Not from her point of view.

    I heard her statement more as complaint from her that the women and any others would not be prosecuted by the state.

    I wonder why they passed that law back in 1915 in the first place. Does anyone in Wisconsin know?
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    Jul 10, 2008 7:13 PM GMT
    This is a fake-outrage story. No prosecutor in Wisconsin would ever take these cases.
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    Jul 10, 2008 7:16 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidThis is a fake-outrage story. No prosecutor in Wisconsin would ever take these cases.


    Precisely why that woman was complaining.... icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 10, 2008 7:31 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidThis is a fake-outrage story. No prosecutor in Wisconsin would ever take these cases.


    Sorry, but I think the above comment is a rose-colored take on that story. There ARE prosecutors who are actually stupid enough and ambitious enough in areas where homo-hatred is the norm that would LOVE to try to prosecute them. Not necessarily with the intention of jail time, but in the hopes that it would look good on their political service record to a constituency of right-wing theocratic conservatives.

    I lived, briefly, in Colorado when Ammendment 2 (the Anti-Gay Rights initiative) was passed in 1992, and I saw firsthand how various officials in the poorer counties used that as a free pass to persecute Gays, refuse to assist my Gay neighbors, and refuse to prosecute the murders of two Gay men in my county.

    Words such as that prosecutor's need to be taken seriously, and responded to militantly. We need to pull our heads out of the sand, because the right-wingnuts are hoping we'll keep them buried in our bars, our clubs, and our bath houses. Being Gay these days means we MUST stop partying and take political action and stay vigilant against laws and prosecutors such as those in Wisconsin.
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    Jul 10, 2008 7:38 PM GMT
    And to the bitch on the video, they're not defrauding the government, they're defrauding hypocrisy.


    If this was(will) to go to court, the courts would have to throw out this nonsense. And the nerve of these conservatives to accuse progressives as activist judges! It sounds a lot like legal activism to me.
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    Jul 10, 2008 7:57 PM GMT
    And to the bitch on that video... I bite my thumb at thee icon_evil.gif
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    Jul 10, 2008 8:15 PM GMT
    zeebyaboi said
    Sorry, but I think the above comment is a rose-colored take on that story. There ARE prosecutors who are actually stupid enough and ambitious enough in areas where homo-hatred is the norm that would LOVE to try to prosecute them. Not necessarily with the intention of jail time, but in the hopes that it would look good on their political service record to a constituency of right-wing theocratic conservatives.

    I agree. Look at Sally Kern in Oklahoma. Her tape recorded statement that gays are more of a threat to America than terrorists turned out to be a super career boost for her. And recently I heard about two men in North Carolina being charged with sodomy, despite the Supreme Court overturning sodomy laws in 2003.

    I believe this woman, and many like her, are dead serious. They want gays to be prosecuted. They want gays marginalized, humiliated, and shamed in every way possible. Prosecuting them in the courts is a means to that end, notwithstanding that leaving them be might be the more prudent and just thing to do.
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    Jul 10, 2008 8:41 PM GMT
    As outrageous as this is, the tide is turning in our favor. One day, probably in our lifetimes we will look back on the denial of basic rights, don't ask/don't tell and all the oppression and know victory.
    These are exciting times.

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    Jul 10, 2008 9:09 PM GMT
    OK, hysterical wing-nuts are a problem. But no prosecutor is going to take such a case. It would immediately be thrown out.

    And, according to Wisconsin law, the state would have to demonstrate how this out-of-state marriage posed a threat to the people. The law was written to prevent Wisconsin from having to recognize out-of-state marriages that were to minors under the age of consent.

    Wing-nuts are a problem, but this law is not.
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    Jul 10, 2008 9:29 PM GMT
    Is it not a commitment ceremony that has been made available, and not Marriage, as Marriage is still a Str8 institution? Albeit one that bi's have been able too take advantage of.
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    Jul 10, 2008 9:55 PM GMT
    Prosecution, Persecution... wvat's the difference?
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    Jul 10, 2008 10:03 PM GMT
    caesarea4 saidProsecution, Persecution... wvat's the difference?


    An old Jew and an old Chinese man are sitting on a park bench. Suddenly the Jew smacks the Chinese guy upside the head.

    The Chinese guy howls "what the hell was THAT for?"

    The Jew sits back and says "THAT was for PEARL HARBOR."

    The Cbinese guy says, "Pearl Harbor was bombed by the JAPANESE, you idiot. I am CHINESE."

    "Chinese...Japanese...what's the difference.." the Jew mumbles, and they both sit back down.

    Suddenly, the Chinese guy gets up and smacks the Jew upside the head.

    "What was THAT for?" the Jew protests, rubbing his head.

    "THAT was for the TITANIC," says the Chinese man.

    "TITANIC?" the Jew howls. "The TITANIC was hit by an ICEBERG!"

    The Chinese man sighs. "Iceberg...Goldberg...what's the difference...."
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    Jul 10, 2008 10:53 PM GMT
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    Jul 10, 2008 11:01 PM GMT
    John43620 saidAs outrageous as this is, the tide is turning in our favor. One day, probably in our lifetimes we will look back on the denial of basic rights, don't ask/don't tell and all the oppression and know victory.
    These are exciting times.




    If only we take to the streets in silent protest nationwide and make ourselves seen and heard on how outrageous and inhumane it is to deprive us our rights as U.S. citizens and human beings. All this sitting around is getting us all nowhere quick.
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    Jul 10, 2008 11:31 PM GMT
    They should do it just to shut that cow from the family council? up. Besides, that sort of thing could be pushed to a higher court just to have the law thrown out on its ass.
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    Jul 11, 2008 12:00 AM GMT
    Even though Wisconsin is one of my favorite states, unfortunately it still does have its fair share of right wing, extremist lunatics. How can this conservative attorney prosecute two lesbians for going to California to get married. Obviously, the marriage is taking place clearly outside her jurisdiction. So she really has no legitimate case against this lesbian couple because no breach of law was committed. The only thing the State of Wisconsin can legally do is not officially recognize and accept the marriage. This conservative attorney needs to get her thinking out of the dark ages and come into the 21st century.
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    Jul 11, 2008 12:16 AM GMT
    Maybe all those crazy right wing people willing to prosecute these couples are the catalyst needed for gay marriage to get legalized in Wisconsin.?.. Just a thought..
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    Jul 11, 2008 12:38 AM GMT
    I am surprised, I thought Wisconsin was a bit more liberal than this. I am glad that in Canada the law is the same across the country. I could not imagine living in a country where some people can marry and others can't. Too bizarre. A friend of mine in Massachusetts is contemplating marriage. Couldn't be happier for him. I am a sucker for romantic, happy endings. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 11, 2008 12:45 AM GMT
    Why do stories like this even end up on the news?

    if they have nothing to say maybe they should stick with the weather....

  • Timbales

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    Jul 11, 2008 1:33 AM GMT
    "The pioneers get the arrows, but the settlers get the land".

    At first it seems like a great quote, until you realize you're talking about one group of people destroying the way of life of another.

    Seems to me they would have to prosecute straight couples, such as people who do a Vegas wedding, as well.
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    Jul 11, 2008 1:46 AM GMT
    We need a lawsuit like this... you need a lawsuit where the entire nation collectively says.... "uhh, no." That is what happened with Lawrence v. Texas, and that is why it was done by a conservative court. A failed trial like this one is needed.
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    Jul 11, 2008 2:34 AM GMT
    kinetic saidMaybe all those crazy right wing people willing to prosecute these couples are the catalyst needed for gay marriage to get legalized in Wisconsin.?.. Just a thought..

    I have been saying that to every right winger I know. People have an inherent sense of justice. When they see people being capriciously denied their humanity and their civil rights, with such bellicosity as there is from the anti-gay types, most decent people will sympathize with the oppressed. The more vehement and unjust the treatment gays get from "family" groups, the more people will come to advocate justice toward gays.
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    Jul 11, 2008 2:39 AM GMT
    Timberoo said
    Seems to me they would have to prosecute straight couples, such as people who do a Vegas wedding, as well.

    That's a good point. I don't see Mrs. Family Council insisting on prosecution for straight couples going off and getting married in Hawaii or Vegas. Seems to be a glaringly disparate mistreatment of gays. Hmm, imagine that.