President Carter: It's 'Very Fine' For Gay Couples To Marry - Carter Leaves Church after 60 years due to church's treatment of Women.

  • metta

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    Mar 20, 2012 4:52 PM GMT
    PRESIDENT CARTER: IT’S ‘VERY FINE’ FOR GAY COUPLES TO MARRY


    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/03/19/447561/president-carter-its-very-fine-for-gay-couples-to-marry/

    Jimmy Carter Leaves Church Over Treatment of Women


    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/07/20/jimmy-carter-leaves-church-over-treatment-of-women/
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    Mar 20, 2012 6:50 PM GMT
    Coming from one of the worst American Presidents. Yet what did he ever do for the advancement of homosexuals of America, while the power was in his hands? Oh it's so easy for him to say such things now, when he has nothing to lose, thus I find his words hollow.
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    Mar 20, 2012 7:11 PM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidComing fro one of the worst American Presidents. Yet what did he ever do for the advancement of homosexuals of America, while the power was in his hands? Oh it's so easy for him to say such things now, when he has nothing to lose, thus I find his words hollow.

    Times change. He responded to the crises of his time as best he could. The gay rights movement was not a crisis at that time. He's smarter than most people; he just doesn't make a good politician.

    He has done more for human rights than all the presidents coming after him combined.
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    Mar 20, 2012 7:20 PM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidComing fro one of the worst American Presidents. Yet what did he ever do for the advancement of homosexuals of America, while the power was in his hands? Oh it's so easy for him to say such things now, when he has nothing to lose, thus I find his words hollow.


    Whatever his past shortcomings, as a gold card Ex-President, his endorsement of gay marriage can only be a positive thing.
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    Mar 20, 2012 7:27 PM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidComing fro one of the worst American Presidents. Yet what did he ever do for the advancement of homosexuals of America, while the power was in his hands? Oh it's so easy for him to say such things now, when he has nothing to lose, thus I find his words hollow.


    We.. markedly disagree. He was a very decent president... not the best nor the worst (as almost any reasonable poll will show).

    Good comments and I wouldn't expect anything less from him.
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    Mar 20, 2012 8:05 PM GMT
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    Mar 20, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidComing fro one of the worst American Presidents. Yet what did he ever do for the advancement of homosexuals of America, while the power was in his hands? Oh it's so easy for him to say such things now, when he has nothing to lose, thus I find his words hollow.


    While President he opposed the Briggs Initiative which would have banned gays from being school teachers.
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    Mar 20, 2012 8:51 PM GMT
    commoncoll saidHe has done more for human rights than all the presidents coming after him combined.


    I'd like an example of what Former President Carter has done to materially improve anyone's human rights. Maybe it's a product of my youth, but I really can't think of anything I remember Carter actually doing apart from making a spectacle of himself by appearing on television in the Middle East.
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    Mar 20, 2012 9:10 PM GMT
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    Larkin saidI'd like an example of what Former President Carter has done to materially improve anyone's human rights. Maybe it's a product of my youth, but I really can't think of anything I remember Carter actually doing apart from making a spectacle of himself by appearing on television in the Middle East.


    How misinformed. Carter's Egyptian-Israeli peace deal, brokered between an uber-nationalist conservative in Menachem Begin and an Egyptian president who'd just battled Israel in war, is the only lasting comprehensive peace of its kind in the Middle East (full Israeli withdrawal, no more wars between the two countries).


    Hmm, I didn't realize we were giving Carter credit for that.

    Israel had just roundly defeated Egypt in a war.

    And in any case, that's not a "post president" human rights victory.
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    Mar 20, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
    Carter is the Democratic party's George W. Bush.

    Both wrecked the economy and badly tarnished their party's reputation for handling the economy.

    Carter's economic failure and recession hurt the Democratic party for decades - just like Bush's economic failure and (WORSE) recession will cripple the Repub party for decades.
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    Mar 20, 2012 9:47 PM GMT
    commoncoll saidThe gay rights movement was not a crisis at that time.


    Is it even a "crisis" now?
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    Mar 20, 2012 9:56 PM GMT
    Larkin said...And in any case, that's not a "post president" human rights victory.


    Post presidency this guy has been working nonstop to advance human rights & health worldwide.

    http://www.cartercenter.org/peace/human_rights/index.html
    "A commitment to human rights for all people around the world was a founding principle of The Carter Center. These include civil, political, social, economic, and cultural rights and freedoms enumerated in the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Center's Human Rights Program undertakes a range of activities to strengthen such rights as the bedrock of peaceful and just societies."

    http://www.cartercenter.org/health/index.html
    "A leader in the eradication and elimination of diseases, the Center fights six preventable diseases — Guinea worm, river blindness, trachoma, schistosomiasis, lymphatic filariasis, and malaria — by using health education and simple, low-cost methods. The Center also strives to improve access to mental health care."

    An old friend of mine worked directly for Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter at his Carter Center and I got a tour of their offices at that time. So I've had years of stories of the work they did. Impressed the hell out of me. The place doesn't just have his name on it. He actually works it.
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    Mar 20, 2012 9:59 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidnot to mention we had to drive 55 for like 10 or more years ... Carter was an idiot ... but thanks for the the shout out anyway ... but you're still an embarrassment to this country


    Who's the idiot and an embarrassment? Look in a mirror.

    It was Nixon who signed that bill into law via the Constitution's Commerce Clause, not Carter.

    And God forbid Americans should be forced to work together to address the oil crisis.

    I swear, the more I read posts from some of you morons, the more I weep for this country.
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    TrueBlueAussie saidComing fro one of the worst American Presidents. Yet what did he ever do for the advancement of homosexuals of America, while the power was in his hands? Oh it's so easy for him to say such things now, when he has nothing to lose, thus I find his words hollow.


    We.. markedly disagree. He was a very decent president... not the best nor the worst (as almost any reasonable poll will show).

    Good comments and I wouldn't expect anything less from him.

    Carter was widely considered a terrible President. Following describes how many now view Carter based on his post-presidency activities versus his performance in office:

    http://plainblogaboutpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/09/post-presidential-reputation-jimmy.html

    Carter, like Nixon, has pretty much run a one-man operation to improve his reputation. But Carter's "new" reputation is almost entirely separated from his presidency, and I think, almost entirely separated from issues of public policy. When people say they approve of Carter's post-presidency, I think it's almost certainly the case that they are thinking about building houses, serving as an election observer, and perhaps writing books of poetry and religious belief. I very much doubt that the first thing that comes to mind for very many people is Carter's views on Palestinians. They see good works, not good policy -- in fact, people still (correctly; I guess I should add a IMO) think he was a dud as a president.
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    Mar 20, 2012 10:33 PM GMT
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    AMoonHawk saidnot to mention we had to drive 55 for like 10 or more years ... Carter was an idiot ... but thanks for the the shout out anyway ... but you're still an embarrassment to this country


    Who's the idiot and an embarrassment? Look in a mirror.

    It was Nixon who signed that bill into law via the Constitution's Commerce Clause, not Carter.

    And God forbid Americans should be forced to work together to address the oil crisis.

    I swear, the more I read posts from some of you morons, the more I weep for this country.




    Yup.

    But let the Repubs keep blathering.

    They only succeed in making themselves look like ignorant misinformed fools.
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    Mar 20, 2012 10:52 PM GMT
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    Mar 20, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
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    Carter was widely considered a terrible President.

    In the words of your personal hero, "There you go again", speaking for the mass public when you don't exactly have your finger on its pulse.

    Widely among your set, no doubt; In the real world, he is considered not the worst and certainly not the best president. Arguably he is the unluckiest president since FDR (who made his own luck), since he had to deal with stagflation, an energy crisis, the Iranian hostages, and the ill-fated rescue attempt in the desert (which took down 4 marines and his re-election chances in one dust storm).

    Also, if Reagan and the other traitors around him hadn't interfered with Khomeini, the crisis would have been over much sooner. But as is well known, the Reagan people got the Ayatollah to agree to keep the hostages until after the election. He did this by promising to illegally sell them arms, which of course the Reagan criminals did until they were exposed in the Iran/Contra affair.

    Ever since Nixon, the Republican party has been a swamp of moral disease, but it came to a full fever under Reagan and his criminal gang.


    Quite true. Had the Iranian hostage rescue been successful, Carter would have been hailed a hero and might even have been re-elected. It was simply bad luck and the Reagan gang made plenty of mischief out of it.
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    Mar 20, 2012 11:13 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    Carter was widely considered a terrible President.

    In the words of your personal hero, "There you go again", speaking for the mass public when you don't exactly have your finger on its pulse.

    Widely among your set, no doubt; In the real world, he is considered not the worst and certainly not the best president. Arguably he is the unluckiest president since FDR (who made his own luck), since he had to deal with stagflation, an energy crisis, the Iranian hostages, and the ill-fated rescue attempt in the desert (which took down 4 marines and his re-election chances in one dust storm).

    Also, if Reagan and the other traitors around him hadn't interfered with Khomeini, the crisis would have been over much sooner. But as is well known, the Reagan people got the Ayatollah to agree to keep the hostages until after the election. He did this by promising to illegally sell them arms, which of course the Reagan criminals did until they were exposed in the Iran/Contra affair.

    Ever since Nixon, the Republican party has been a swamp of moral disease, but it came to a full fever under Reagan and his criminal gang.

    Carter's approval ratings averaged over his time in office was, along with Truman, the worst of all Presidents since Truman's time. Truman was 0.1% lower. A different outcome of the raid would have improved his approval to a degree, but the stats were as of Jan 1977, so much of his approval polling was based on earlier months. To know more definitively, we would need to see the data from each month and project a boost in the months following the raid in April 1980 to come up with a new projected average.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116677/presidential-approval-ratings-gallup-historical-statistics-trends.aspx

    He also fared poorly in debates with Reagan. In addition to the "there you go again", Carter also looked foolish mentioning that he discussed nuclear proliferation with Amy, age 13, to get her thoughts on it. As would be said using today's speak, "people were like WTF?"

    Hard to deny that much of Carter's favorability today comes from post-president activities.
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    Mar 21, 2012 12:06 AM GMT
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    JPtheBITCH said
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    Carter was widely considered a terrible President.

    In the words of your personal hero, "There you go again", speaking for the mass public when you don't exactly have your finger on its pulse.

    Widely among your set, no doubt; In the real world, he is considered not the worst and certainly not the best president. Arguably he is the unluckiest president since FDR (who made his own luck), since he had to deal with stagflation, an energy crisis, the Iranian hostages, and the ill-fated rescue attempt in the desert (which took down 4 marines and his re-election chances in one dust storm).

    Also, if Reagan and the other traitors around him hadn't interfered with Khomeini, the crisis would have been over much sooner. But as is well known, the Reagan people got the Ayatollah to agree to keep the hostages until after the election. He did this by promising to illegally sell them arms, which of course the Reagan criminals did until they were exposed in the Iran/Contra affair.

    Ever since Nixon, the Republican party has been a swamp of moral disease, but it came to a full fever under Reagan and his criminal gang.


    Quite true. Had the Iranian hostage rescue been successful, Carter would have been hailed a hero and might even have been re-elected. It was simply bad luck and the Reagan gang made plenty of mischief out of it.





    Bush Sr. stage managed the whole hostage rescue.

    The cozy intimate relationship that rich oil man Bush has with rich oil men in the middle east (many of whom have terrorist ties) is one of the shadiest murkiest most troubling and mysterious untold stories in modern US history.

    It's shocking that one of the things that the Bush administration did in the hours after 9-11 was swiftly fly members of the bin Laden family to a safe location - NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

    We'll likely never know all the corrupt and truly evil secret double dealing that's been done by the Bushes over the last 50 years.
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    Mar 21, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
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    commoncoll saidHe has done more for human rights than all the presidents coming after him combined.


    I'd like an example of what Former President Carter has done to materially improve anyone's human rights. Maybe it's a product of my youth, but I really can't think of anything I remember Carter actually doing apart from making a spectacle of himself by appearing on television in the Middle East.
    Maybe thats because you werent even BORN yet. Duh...........icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 21, 2012 1:01 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    PRESIDENT CARTER: IT’S ‘VERY FINE’ FOR GAY COUPLES TO MARRY


    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/03/19/447561/president-carter-its-very-fine-for-gay-couples-to-marry/


    Wow - last of the progressive Dixiecrats! Go Jimmy.
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    TrueBlueAussie saidComing fro one of the worst American Presidents. Yet what did he ever do for the advancement of homosexuals of America, while the power was in his hands? Oh it's so easy for him to say such things now, when he has nothing to lose, thus I find his words hollow.

    Times change. He responded to the crises of his time as best he could. The gay rights movement was not a crisis at that time. He's smarter than most people; he just doesn't make a good politician.

    He has done more for human rights than all the presidents coming after him combined.


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    Mar 21, 2012 1:28 AM GMT
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    AMoonHawk saidnot to mention we had to drive 55 for like 10 or more years ... Carter was an idiot ... but thanks for the the shout out anyway ... but you're still an embarrassment to this country


    Who's the idiot and an embarrassment? Look in a mirror.

    It was Nixon who signed that bill into law via the Constitution's Commerce Clause, not Carter.

    And God forbid Americans should be forced to work together to address the oil crisis.

    I swear, the more I read posts from some of you morons, the more I weep for this country.


    Nixon was the 'temporary' 50 mph speed limit during the shortage created by the Yom Kippur War in fall 73.

    The Federal-Aid Highway Amendments of 1974 was signed into law by President of the United States Gerald Ford on January 4, 1975.[1] Among other changes, the law permanently implemented a national 55-mph speed limit (which had already been a temporary limit) for the Interstate Highway System. It also established the Federal Bridge Gross Weight Formula as law, which governed the weight-to-length ratio of trucks in order to protect highway bridges and infrastructure.

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    Mar 21, 2012 1:33 AM GMT
    credo said
    AMoonHawk saidnot to mention we had to drive 55 for like 10 or more years ... Carter was an idiot ... but thanks for the the shout out anyway ... but you're still an embarrassment to this country


    Who's the idiot and an embarrassment? Look in a mirror.

    It was Nixon who signed that bill into law via the Constitution's Commerce Clause, not Carter.

    And God forbid Americans should be forced to work together to address the oil crisis.

    I swear, the more I read posts from some of you morons, the more I weep for this country.


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    Mar 21, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
    RickRick91 saidCarter is the Democratic party's George W. Bush.

    Both wrecked the economy and badly tarnished their party's reputation for handling the economy.

    Carter's economic failure and recession hurt the Democratic party for decades - just like Bush's economic failure and (WORSE) recession will cripple the Repub party for decades.


    I disagree with this analysis...he did his best to deal with a recession, high interest rates and the Iran crises....12 years later, Clinton was elected... not decades and the comparison with Bush is not valid Rick...