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Mar 21, 2012 11:29 AM GMT
Frankly, I'd bet the Nordic countries score well on this criteria, but I've heard that many central African countries along with Nigeria don't.
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What country is most tolerant of gays? Conversely, what country is least tolerant of gays?
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QUOTE Mar 21, 2012 2:26 PM GMTWhy is every thread you start some kind of fucking list? There's no discussion. People just list things. It's like the most boring shit ever.
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Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 2:34 PM GMTActually I think this is a interesting thread to make.
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Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 2:36 PM GMTMost tolerant: Canada, Norway, Israel. Massachusetts.
Least tolerant: Iran, Africa, The Confederacy. -
QUOTE Mar 21, 2012 2:53 PM GMTMost tolerant: Canada, Netherlands.
Least tolerant: All islamic countries, Uganda, Carribean countries, etc...United States??? -
QUOTE Mar 21, 2012 2:55 PM GMThttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
Before deciding to start a 3rd career stateside, I'd considered living a low cost expat life and after much study had determined from reading numerous forums & news reports that Thailand was the most accepting. Also, I loved the idea of living in a Buddhist country, not so much for the Buddhism which I can get anywhere, but just to get away from western Judeo-Xtianity for a change. I'll reconsider that option again probably in my late 60s, early 70s, particularly if healthcare here gets even more completely out of financial wack.
Another place I would have considered but completely dismissed because of its harsh attitudes towards gay people is Belize. -
Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 3:07 PM GMTIceland was good, although the population density is so low in most of the country that I think it'd be hard to meet people outside the two biggest cities.
Egypt is terrible, and I heard that St. Lucia and Jamaica are rough. Based on the official response to an attack on tourists a few years ago I am not sure I'd even go back there, although it's beautiful.
Interestingly it seems like some of the South American countries may be evolving. -
Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 3:31 PM GMT
JPtheBITCH saidWhy is every thread you start some kind of fucking list? There's no discussion. People just list things. It's like the most boring shit ever.
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Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
JPtheBITCH saidWhy is every thread you start some kind of fucking list? There's no discussion. People just list things. It's like the most boring shit ever.
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Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 6:20 PM GMT[quote][cite]
Interestingly it seems like some of the South American countries may be evolving.[/quote]
Yes. There seems to be a little gay revolution going on in Latin America. Argentina has legalized gay marriage, Mexico City too and there is debate in many countries about it gay rights and marriages. This is rather remarkable because Latin America is very Catholic and conservative. Fortunately many Latin American countries are experiencing stable economic growth and integrating into the global world economy. They are really looking forward into the 21st century. This may be part of the explanation. -
Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
calique said[quote][cite]
Interestingly it seems like some of the South American countries may be evolving.
Yes. There seems to be a little gay revolution going on in Latin America. Argentina has legalized gay marriage, Mexico City too and there is debate in many countries about it gay rights and marriages. This is rather remarkable because Latin America is very Catholic and conservative. Fortunately many Latin American countries are experiencing stable economic growth and integrating into the global world economy. They are really looking forward into the 21st century. This may be part of the explanation.[/quote]
Which is quite good to see. My guy left Venezuela nearly twelve years ago because he wanted to live as an openly gay man -- something he couldn't do in is native country. -
QUOTE Mar 21, 2012 6:36 PM GMT
theantijock saidhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
Before deciding to start a 3rd career stateside, I'd considered living a low cost expat life and after much study had determined from reading numerous forums & news reports that Thailand was the most accepting. Also, I loved the idea of living in a Buddhist country, not so much for the Buddhism which I can get anywhere, but just to get away from western Judeo-Xtianity for a change. I'll reconsider that option again probably in my late 60s, early 70s, particularly if healthcare here gets even more completely out of financial wack.
Another place I would have considered but completely dismissed because of its harsh attitudes towards gay people is Belize.
Seriously, avoid the orange and red countries. Even on principle, I would not go there and try to "pass" as straight because I don't want them getting any of my money. -
Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 7:02 PM GMTI have to say Oz is very tolerant of us homosexuals. We have laws to protect us, and many states recognise our relationships too. We poofs have little to bitch about.
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QUOTE Mar 21, 2012 7:10 PM GMTI would agree with you about the Nordic states,precisely Norway.
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Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 7:17 PM GMT
Intensity69Seriously, avoid the orange and red countries. Even on principle, I would not go there and try to "pass" as straight because I don't want them getting any of my money.
Well said intensity69.
It's also important to mention that when travelling, try to avoid flying state owned carriers ( well any state owned businesses in general) from these countries such as Emirates, Qatar, Malaysian and Singapore Airlines etc.
While you're munching on your salad at 35,000 feet these companies are passing on your ticket dollars to their governments to help imprison and torture, and in some cases, murder gay people.
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Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 7:33 PM GMTJamaica is the most homophobic place on earth. TIME magazine says so...
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Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 7:51 PM GMTI am surprised that no one has mentioned Spain as at least, one of the most tolerant. When the parliament here passed the equal rights bill for gays, a poll was done to find its support. 86% of the people polled in Spain supported the passage of the law which includes full marriage and adoption rights. Gays are equal under the law to straight people here. With that many Spaniards in support, I do not see how you can get much more tolerant.
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Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
tanlejos said
Intensity69Seriously, avoid the orange and red countries. Even on principle, I would not go there and try to "pass" as straight because I don't want them getting any of my money.
Well said intensity69.
It's also important to mention that when travelling, try to avoid flying state owned carriers ( well any state owned businesses in general) from these countries such as Emirates, Qatar, Malaysian and Singapore Airlines etc.
While you're munching on your salad at 35,000 feet these companies are passing on your ticket dollars to their governments to help imprison and torture, and in some cases, murder gay people.
That's interesting if SR is state-owned because they own a just-barely-minority stake in VS, which touts itself as pretty progressive. -
Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 8:00 PM GMTI'm sure this will be considered racist by some knee-jerk reactionaries, but I can't help wonder why it seems the whiter the skin, the less homophobic a country is. Scandinavia(can't get whiter), Canada, Western Europe seem to always be the most tolerant and places like Africa, the Caribbean and the Middle East always seem to be the least tolerant. I'll take the flames, but it's the white elephant in the room. Just don't understand the reason.
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Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 8:08 PM GMT
Haaretz saidMost tolerant: Canada, Norway, Israel. Massachusetts.
Least tolerant: Iran, Africa, The Confederacy.
Africa is a continent not a country......
Or maybe North America and Europe are countries now too......
South African legislation is fairly liberal with this regard, the people in small towns are alittle traditional..... But most places are well.... Live and let live kinda
Discrimination when it occurs....and like everywhere it does....is taken very seriously -
Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 8:09 PM GMT
miamimasseur saidI'm sure this will be considered racist by some knee-jerk reactionaries, but I can't help wonder why it seems the whiter the skin, the less homophobic a country is. Scandinavia(can't get whiter), Canada, Western Europe seem to always be the most tolerant and places like Africa, the Caribbean and the Middle East always seem to be the least tolerant. I'll take the flames, but it's the white elephant in the room. Just don't understand the reason.
A combination of religion mixed with the financially poor and poorly educated people tend to make the countries in Africa, the Carribean and the Middle East more intolerant. That is a generalized statement and therefore, does not apply to every one in those countries and has nothing to do with race. -
Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
miamimasseur saidI'm sure this will be considered racist by some knee-jerk reactionaries, but I can't help wonder why it seems the whiter the skin, the less homophobic a country is. Scandinavia(can't get whiter), Canada, Western Europe seem to always be the most tolerant and places like Africa, the Caribbean and the Middle East always seem to be the least tolerant. I'll take the flames, but it's the white elephant in the room. Just don't understand the reason.
Well in the case of Uganda in particular, we can thank white Christian missionaries, right up to visits by our own Scott Lively and Rick Warren in the past few years.
Many of these cultures were probably more tolerant until we came and told them it was wrong.
I would not say that about Islamic countries, though. But I think the stronger correlation is between homophobia and the disparity in how men and women are treated. In cultures where women are regarded as inferior or even the property of a man, a man who does not live up to society's norms is treated with the same disdain as women are. In cultures where women enjoy equality, gender role variation is not seem as a threat.
Also aren't Poland, Russia and the former Soviet states pretty hostile? They tend towards the pale side. -
Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
Durbdoc said
Haaretz saidMost tolerant: Canada, Norway, Israel. Massachusetts.
Least tolerant: Iran, Africa, The Confederacy.
Africa is a continent not a country......
Or maybe North America and Europe are countries now too......
South African legislation is fairly liberal with this regard, the people in small towns are alittle traditional..... But most places are well.... Live and let live kinda
Discrimination when it occurs....and like everywhere it does....is taken very seriously
I'm fully aware that Africa and Europe are continents, not countries. I was lumping all the countries together into a continent as opposed to listing each individual country. I think you knew that but thanks for the inevitable straw man. -
Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 8:20 PM GMT
njmeanwhile said
miamimasseur saidI'm sure this will be considered racist by some knee-jerk reactionaries, but I can't help wonder why it seems the whiter the skin, the less homophobic a country is. Scandinavia(can't get whiter), Canada, Western Europe seem to always be the most tolerant and places like Africa, the Caribbean and the Middle East always seem to be the least tolerant. I'll take the flames, but it's the white elephant in the room. Just don't understand the reason.
Well in the case of Uganda in particular, we can thank white Christian missionaries, right up to visits by our own Scott Lively and Rick Warren in the past few years.
Many of these cultures were probably more tolerant until we came and told them it was wrong.
I would not say that about Islamic countries, though. But I think the stronger correlation is between homophobia and the disparity in how men and women are treated. In cultures where women are regarded as inferior or even the property of a man, a man who does not live up to society's norms is treated with the same disdain as women are. In cultures where women enjoy equality, gender role variation is not seem as a threat.
Also aren't Poland, Russia and the former Soviet states pretty hostile? They tend towards the pale side.
Interesting insights. Although those Christian white missionaries are a minority in their own country and you have to wonder how they could have so much power as to sway an entire country's opinion. I think you're on to something about the role of women in these countries. Poland and Russia are, indeed, the exceptions to the rule. I know Poland is heavily Catholic. Not sure what Russia's deal is. They don't seem to suffer from being a heavily religious country nor a macho culture. -
Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profileQUOTE Mar 21, 2012 8:32 PM GMTMost missionary work took place during colonial occupation, when they were there at the behest of the (white) occupying government.
There is still a "colonialism" of a sort going on because of the efforts by well-funded churches here in the states to influence churches in developing nations. Uganda is such an example. There is a whole twisted relationship between religion and politics on both sides of the Atlantic and somehow LGBT folks have become the victims. Google David Bahati for details. He is a member of Uganda's parliament who is in tight with an organization here in the states called "the family" which includes evangelical leaders and high-ranking government officials among others. A guy named Jeff Scharlett wrote a book about it called C Street if you want to know more.
I should say that in churches like mine with representative leadership, we are now reaping what we sowed, because conservative factions in some former colonial areas are protesting the progressive move towards inclusion in others. With secularism on the rise in Europe and America, the bulk of adherents is shifting southwards, and the church faces a challenge: do sacrifice progress for (the illusion of) unity?
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