Recovering from Anorexia and fustration of gaining weight.

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    Mar 23, 2012 3:55 PM GMT
    So here is the story: I had struggled with anorexia for the majority of my childhood until my mid-teenage years, then I started to eat fairly regular. I had gained some weight, but I hit a major episode of depression around my early 20's, which led me back in my old anorexic habits, only this time it was worse.
    In the last couple years I have recovered, and started weight training. Eventually I signed up to my nearest gym. Though I try to be consistent with my workout sessions and eating, I do happen to slip a bit. I noticed some gains, but not the kind of gains I am hoping for. I just weighed myself this morning at my gym and I am a toppling 150 lbs! I have been weight training for at least 2 years now.
    I eat plently of carbs and proteins and fats in my diet. I believe I eat around 3000 calories if not, a bit more. Everyone who knows me that I have a metabolism that burns on high heat.
    The question I am asking here is: Did my struggle with anorexia somehow "crippled" my body so it can only gain a limited amount of weight?
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    Mar 23, 2012 5:31 PM GMT
    This question is probably more appropriate for a doctor rather than a website full of opinionated idiots and trolls.

    A lot of people will give your opinion and sound like they know what they are talking about, but not many will have a real clue.
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    Mar 23, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
    olorin saidThis question is probably more appropriate for a doctor rather than a website full of opinionated idiots and trolls.

    A lot of people will give your opinion and sound like they know what they are talking about, but not many will have a real clue.


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    Mar 23, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    Chad1985 saidI just weighed myself this morning at my gym and I am a toppling 150 lbs! I have been weight training for at least 2 years now.
    I eat plently of carbs and proteins and fats in my diet. I believe I eat around 3000 calories if not, a bit more. Everyone who knows me that I have a metabolism that burns on high heat.
    I cant address your anorexia and wish you all the best with it.

    If you are indeed eating 3000 cals/day then you should be def putting on weight. If you are also working out hard along with eating that much you will also put on some muscle. My suspicion is that you arent eating as much as you think. If your weight of 150# is static and assuming that you are training right. My guess is that you are probably eating around 2000-2300 cals.

    I'm a naturally skinny guy. If I stop working out and dieting I wont get fat. I'll just go back to getting skinny. I too used to think that I "ate a lot and the food simply disappears and it is my metabolism". But actually counting cals was an eye opener.

    I suggest monitor your cals for a week and see how much you are eating. You can use something like fitday.com to track cals. Or do it on a spreadsheet and manually calc the macros using nutritiondata.com for a more accurate result.
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    Mar 23, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    I'd agree to a certain extent that this question is best directed to a medical professional...

    I think I can offer a little insight, though. The summer between my freshman and sophomore year of high school I went through a time of extreme weight loss (I am hesitant to call it anorexia, because I pulled myself out if it without help) but I basically ate an apple and a zone bar in an entire day and went from around 135 to 105 in the course of a summer...And as soon as I started training, I bumped my caloric intake up to around 3/3.5k per day and wasn't noticing any sort of difference...I went to a dietician that recommended I bump my caloric intake up ever higher because of the "damage" I'd done to my body.
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    Mar 23, 2012 5:50 PM GMT
    I am going to seek medical advice like some of you suggested. I was hoping that someone on this site who has a medical backgorund could help me out.

    Yeah, maybe I am eating less than I thought I was. I start tracking my caloric intake in the next week or two. I am just getting worried that I have done some irreversable damage to my body.

    Thanks, and wish me the best!
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    Mar 23, 2012 5:51 PM GMT
    Chad1985 saidI am going to seek medical advice like some of you suggested.

    I was hoping that someone on this site who has a medical backgorund could help me out.

    Yeah, maybe I am eating less than I thought I was. I start tracking my caloric intake in the next week or two.

    Thanks, and wish me the best!


    My guess would be that you aren't eating 3,000 like you think you are - try tracking it and you may be surprised.
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    Mar 23, 2012 5:52 PM GMT
    Chad1985 saidThanks, and wish me the best!
    All the best icon_smile.gif

    Post your cals results here if you want further help in figuring out on how to proceed further icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 23, 2012 6:37 PM GMT
    as someone with a good amount (i think) of knowledge, physiologically speaking, i would say that it (anorexia) has not hindered your ability to put on weight. Like you, i too have a high metabolism, and while you're eating 3000 calories a day, your basal metabolic rate is high and your caloric expenditure (depending on your activity levels) is probably around 3000+ hence why you are not gaining as much as you would like.

    When i actually did the analysis to myself in my exercise physiology program, my daily caloric expenditure was about 3300 kcal a day, and to offset that, i would try to eat 4000+ calories a day, and to some success i gained 10 lbs that year.

    As for the previous anorexia- i would think that it does not matter. You are you primarily based upon your genetics, although there are some lifestyle/environmental factors, i just don't see it being much of a hindrance to your current routine if it was something in the past. just don't relapse.


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    Mar 23, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
    I did some calorie counting and I am standing around 1,000 cals at the moment. I'll try to stuff myself more later today. I should start measuring my food portions to get a clearer number. You guys are right: I am not eating plently as I thought I did. At least thats what the numbers are showing me ATM, I'll post an update around the end of my day.

    zsocerstar: Thanks for your input about the anorexia. I know I am a small guy and anorexia did not help matters. I was afraid that I have done damage that cannot be fixed. Somewhat relieved to know that anorexia does not have lasting effects on my body. Hopefully I wont relapse, as long I am not going through extreme stress or depression like I did in my early 20's
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    Mar 23, 2012 7:58 PM GMT
    I didn't have an officially diagnosed eating disorder BUT I used to starve myself and just smoked and drank coffee for a good year. I looked so awful that my dad started crying when I visited him that summer. It didn't help that I was actively embracing the pro Ana lifestyle at the time too. Even now I find it hard to eat over 1200 calories somedays, especially if I'm in a depressed state. Make sure you see a doctor like other posters have said before you do some real damage to yourself.
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    Mar 23, 2012 8:11 PM GMT
    Should have read my posts a bit more carefully. I recovered and have a healthy outlook on food. I am not afraid to eat a burger or two or go to the buffet. I have a decent amount of definition (for my size) due to my gym sessions.

    I know what you saying though, when I was at my worst my face was sunken and people could wrap their index finger and thumb around my arms (bicep/tricep area)

    I just want to see a doctor or better yet a specialist about potiential after effects of anorexia, and my issue/struggle with it.
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    Mar 23, 2012 8:16 PM GMT
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    whateveryo saidI didn't have an officially diagnosed eating disorder BUT I used to starve myself and just smoked and drank coffee for a good year. I looked so awful that my dad started crying when I visited him that summer. It didn't help that I was actively embracing the pro Ana lifestyle at the time too. Even now I find it hard to eat over 1200 calories somedays, especially if I'm in a depressed state. Make sure you see a doctor like other posters have said before you do some real damage to yourself.


    Should have read my posts a bit more carefully. I recovered and have a healthy outlook on food. I am not afraid to eat a burger or two or go to the buffet. I have a decent amount of definition (for my size) due to my gym sessions.

    I know what you saying though, when I was at my worst my face was sunken and people could wrap their index finger and thumb around my arms (bicep/tricep area)


    Yeah sorry man. I fucked up lol. Glad to hear you have a healthier outlook now. Congrats. I knew I was over the worst when I stopped skipping meals, sucking on ice cubes and obsessively calorie counting. I used to think I was better than everyone else because I had the will power not to eat anything. So stupid in retrospect. X
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    Mar 23, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
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    whateveryo saidI didn't have an officially diagnosed eating disorder BUT I used to starve myself and just smoked and drank coffee for a good year. I looked so awful that my dad started crying when I visited him that summer. It didn't help that I was actively embracing the pro Ana lifestyle at the time too. Even now I find it hard to eat over 1200 calories somedays, especially if I'm in a depressed state. Make sure you see a doctor like other posters have said before you do some real damage to yourself.


    Should have read my posts a bit more carefully. I recovered and have a healthy outlook on food. I am not afraid to eat a burger or two or go to the buffet. I have a decent amount of definition (for my size) due to my gym sessions.

    I know what you saying though, when I was at my worst my face was sunken and people could wrap their index finger and thumb around my arms (bicep/tricep area)


    Yeah sorry man. I fucked up lol. Glad to hear you have a healthier outlook now. Congrats. I knew I was over the worst when I stopped skipping meals, sucking on ice cubes and obsessively calorie counting. I used to think I was better than everyone else because I had the will power not to eat anything. So stupid in retrospect. X


    I get what you mean...I remember when I wasn't eating, and I'd go to lunch with my friends...I almost felt a sense of pride that I wouldn't order anything, and that they would be chowing down on something "unhealthy" - it's such a crazy mind-set to be in.
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    Mar 23, 2012 8:21 PM GMT
    I think you have two "theories" that both have very little evidence:

    1) That somehow your previous anorexia "broke" your metabolism somehow.

    2) That you are eating 3,000 calories.

    Re the first one, not only is there no logical basis for this assumption, it fails Occam's Razor most spectacularly. What might Occam's Razor suggest? That you are a 26 year old male. This is likely (with over 90% confidence) to be your main difficulty gaining weight, like hundreds of millions of others like you. If this is true, then what? Well, you can start by using the following search terms:

    "male metabolism changes over time"
    "gaining muscle high metabolism"
    "hard gainer"

    And this will lead you to a treasure trove of answers, assuming you can filter out the folks that like to spout theories with no foundation.

    Re the second one: every single person I've ever attempted to help with weight gain or loss feels certain they know what they are eating (calories, fat, protein, carbs). I ask them if they can show me the spreadsheet where they recorded what they ate for a full week and not a single one can. Many don't even know simple rules about how to convert grams of protein, carbs and fats into calories. I'm wondering if you do?

    If you don't know how to convert grams of fat, carbs, and proteins into calories, you can't give me the URL you use to look up nutrition information, and you can't show me the spreadsheet that records what you eat, I am 99.9995% confident that you have NO IDEA what you are eating.

    If you're serious about this, you'll do the work and then you'll see results. But you need to spend time researching, learning, and not grabbing onto simple, quick, and ultimately useless theories about eating (like most of the entire US population does).

    Crankily,

    Ig
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    Mar 23, 2012 8:23 PM GMT
    Oh I know, I thought I was making the better choice in not indulging myself in burgers or whatever my family or friends were eating.

    Though nowadays I cause envy among the endomorph crowd. They see me eating a large pizza with little/no weight gain. I know you guys are hating icon_twisted.gif
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    Mar 23, 2012 8:25 PM GMT
    Chad1985 saidOh I know, I thought I was making the better choice in not indulging myself in burgers or whatever my family or friends were eating.

    Though nowadays I cause envy among the endomorph crowd. They see me eating a large pizza with little/no weight gain. I know you guys are hating icon_twisted.gif


    It's like a double edged sword though...Ectomorphs are jealous of Mesomorphs because they can build muscle easily...and the revrese.
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    Mar 23, 2012 8:35 PM GMT
    I also had issues with eating disorders when I was 18-20 and what iv found is that it doesn't harm your metabolism. Mines gotten very high much like yourself and i find that I can consume about 3000 cals and not gain weight. Just gotta eat, try weight gainers.

    Im like a freakin furnace, i just radiate heat now where as i was a very cold person before. You could just be at a plateau, i got stuck at 150 for a while and now im stuck at 170. just gotta fight through it and work that much harder icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 23, 2012 8:36 PM GMT
    Chad1985 saidOh I know, I thought I was making the better choice in not indulging myself in burgers or whatever my family or friends were eating.

    Though nowadays I cause envy among the endomorph crowd. They see me eating a large pizza with little/no weight gain. I know you guys are hating icon_twisted.gif
    I dont think there is anything gone worng with your metabolism. But you can get checked anyway if it puts you in a better mental state.

    You are in a good spot to indulge a bit. Feel like a burger? go have it. Feel like a pizza? go have it. Feel like some icecream? go have it. Dont fuss about it. Just be reasonable. You may put on a bit of fat but that will fill out your figure out a bit. Dont over do it, though.

    Building muscle is the most difficult and slow process when it comes to changing your body composition. It can take years of hard work. If you want to get bigger but keep the fat gain reasonable then you need to get adept in calorie counting to keep things on track in addition to training hard and smart. At the same time dont drive yourself insane over that. Give yourself a cheat meal or two every week. Just be reasonable in the volume and calories.

    It is all about moderation and diligence. And it sounds like you are committed to make it happen, so success will be yours! icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 23, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
    iguanaSF saidI think you have two "theories" that both have very little evidence:

    1) That somehow your previous anorexia "broke" your metabolism somehow.

    2) That you are eating 3,000 calories.

    Re the first one, not only is there no logical basis for this assumption, it fails Occam's Razor most spectacularly. What might Occam's Razor suggest? That you are a 26 year old male. This is likely (with over 90% confidence) to be your main difficulty gaining weight, like hundreds of millions of others like you. If this is true, then what? Well, you can start by using the following search terms:

    "male metabolism changes over time"
    "gaining muscle high metabolism"
    "hard gainer"

    And this will lead you to a treasure trove of answers, assuming you can filter out the folks that like to spout theories with no foundation.

    Re the second one: every single person I've ever attempted to help with weight gain or loss feels certain they know what they are eating (calories, fat, protein, carbs). I ask them if they can show me the spreadsheet where they recorded what they ate for a full week and not a single one can. Many don't even know simple rules about how to convert grams of protein, carbs and fats into calories. I'm wondering if you do?

    If you don't know how to convert grams of fat, carbs, and proteins into calories, you can't give me the URL you use to look up nutrition information, and you can't show me the spreadsheet that records what you eat, I am 99.9995% confident that you have NO IDEA what you are eating.

    If you're serious about this, you'll do the work and then you'll see results. But you need to spend time researching, learning, and not grabbing onto simple, quick, and ultimately useless theories about eating (like most of the entire US population does).

    Crankily,

    Ig


    Thanks for telling me to do research, which I have done in the past. I imagine some of it is bullshit but thats the learning process, right? I read plently of articles on hardgainers/high metabolisms.

    I just started the whole intake calculating, but if you want to say that I have no idea what I am doing/eating. That is being counter-productive to my cause.

    There is a reason why I made a thread about this in the first place. So I can get other people's input and hopefully connect with people who experienced silmilar issues.

    My main concerns is my dealings with anorexia and how that might affect my stubborn weight gain. I know I am a ectomorph, but it would be nice to add 20 lbs to my frame as I near my 30's in the coming years.

    Please tell me, what should I be eating for Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner along with the mid-morning/afternoon snack? Along whatever supplements I need.


    7Famark: Yeah you got a point there LOL
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    Mar 23, 2012 9:25 PM GMT
    Anyway, I am going to start a new thread in the Gaining Weight sub-forum tracking my progress

    Thanks, you guys have been really helpful and supportive!
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    Mar 23, 2012 9:36 PM GMT
    Chad1985 said
    Please tell me, what should I be eating for Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner along with the mid-morning/afternoon snack? Along whatever supplements I need.
    I would say that you dont focus on what to eat right now. Just eat whatever you feel like and whatever makes you happy. Get to a happy state of mind and then take it from there.

    But if that dosent sit well with you the do this:
    Eat most of your calories after your training.
    Keep fats low on training days
    Keep calories lower on non training days by dropping carbs. You can opt for higher fatty foods to make up clas on these days if you want.
    Keep protein around 1-1.4g per lb bodyweight all days.

    note: these are generic guidelines finer points need to be worked out. I suggest spending more time on training centric forums. BE mindful that there is a lot of bro-science to wade through.

    For training :
    Drop any crunches and curls
    Stick to compound movements

    So your training could be something like this
    mon - squats , chins, legpress
    wed - bench , rows, flyes
    fri - deldlifts, incline press, leg curls

    If you really want, throw in a set or two of crunches, bi's and tris' spread over the week. Do a linear training of 3-4sets 10-12 reps per set for now. Pay attention to ROM(Range of motion) and form (how you do an exercise).

    Remember that if the weights arent going up on the bar, you arent getting bigger. And you cant get bigger if you dont feed your body right.

    Also rest. This tends to get overlooked and is important. You dont grow in the gym. You only stimulate muscle growth, feed it to grow and it grows when you sleep.

    Of all the activity factors that involve body re-composition, diet will account for ~70-80% of your effort and time. Training will only amount for the remaining 20-30% even though it might seem like the otherway around.
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    Mar 23, 2012 9:49 PM GMT
    So here's what I think you should do. Anorexia is a serious eating disorder (Ive dealt with people with eating disorders) so you should consult the right medical professionals in order to get your weight back to normal- nutritionists, psychologists, medical doctors, etc. to see what you should do to reverse this condition. Your metabolism is probably normal based on genetics. (just like how I was the fat kid growing up) And I also assume you want to build muscle, so when you hit a normal bmi, consult a sport nutritionist. But that is phase 2. Good luck, my friend.
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    Mar 23, 2012 9:53 PM GMT
    I've NEVER been anorexic, but struggled with anorexic-like weight when I was a teenager, until my my mid 20's. I'd eat and eat, and not gain a pound. And I'm talking 6 plates total at a buffet okay. Hard gainer is what I was. You MIGHT be a hard gainer as well, HOWEVER check WITH A DOCTOR. Sorry for the overemphasis, don't take it as yelling, please. I'm glad you're out of the struggle of being anorexic. It's one of the diseases I have the most difficulty understanding. I hope you figure this thing out for yourself, Chad. icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 23, 2012 11:17 PM GMT
    TellMe: I shall stay more faithful to compound movements, you have been very helpful so far!

    Bullwinkle: I will see a doctor, but i`m not sure if I wanna see that many doctor/specialists. I have to hear what my doctor has to say about anorexia and whether it affected my metabolism or not, then take it from there. Though I am more convinced that I am simply not getting enough calories like many of you stated.

    Uber_Bizzaro (LOL @ your name) : Thanks for sharing. I know how its like to eat like a pig at buffet and have nothing to show for it. Like I said earlier, I will get a check up and voice my concern(s) to my doc. Hopefully she/he will provide some good advice.