Have You Given Up on Religion and Possibility of Heaven

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    Mar 24, 2012 5:22 AM GMT
    I believe in God alot, but I have found that alot of gay people have said (even here onRJ) that Religion is crap, brainwashing, they don't believe anymore etc. It is kind of heartbreaking. I know what we are told ever since birth about being gay and heaven and God, but I just believe deep in my heart that I will still go to heaven.

    I know alot of people both straight and gays have asked me why do I believe ina bible or God that people think condemns me and I just respond by saying that I feel like God knows my heart,and what I am. He knows it was not a choice and my struggle so I refuse to believe I will suffer for it.

    I do feel that what we could be told or what is believed could be wrong. I mean people used the bible to justify slavery, and all sorts of other things..so I don't believe that just because mankind interpreted that way doesnt mean that is how it is. I have read and took classes and everything and I just can't accept that I am bound for damnation. I WONT.

    I do sometimes feel like I am the only one who still cares. Is there anyone else out there, who still has faith and believe they would go to heaven reguardless of sexuality. I can't lie ...I am VERY religious in a sense, and I had a hard time going to church for years, and even stopped. I gave up at one point, so I can see how others could aswell, but is there anyone one out there who believes they will go to heaven and still is strong about their religion reguardless of what people say or what people say the bible says?



  • BmwKid92

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    Mar 24, 2012 5:25 AM GMT
    Why do people who study the bible for 30years + (priest) rape children. Why Do you believe the 8 crazy people who saw and heard voices in their head write the bible (disciples)
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    Mar 24, 2012 5:30 AM GMT
    Science: Verifiable yet constantly changing as a result of repeated test results.
    Religion: Verifiable by texts that were scribed in stone 100's and 1000's of years ago and reinterpreted 10's of 1000's of times.

    The mathematical probability of multiple universes has already been demonstrated. Who's to say one of those universes isn't the one in which the creator of our perceived/known universe lives?

    However, creator or not, I simply can't believe that some being would create humans as a special project, then leave them to make up their own stories of where they came from instead of constantly intervening to "keep the peace" so to speak.

    And my biggest argument: If god is love, then why is there a food chain? Animals have to brutally murder other animals in order to survive. What kind of "loving" god creates an environment like that?
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    Mar 24, 2012 5:31 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidScience: Verifiable yet constantly changing as a result of repeated test results.
    Religion: Verifiable by texts that were scribed in stone 100's and 1000's of years ago and reinterpreted 10's of 1000's of times.

    The mathematical probability of multiple universes has already been demonstrated. Who's to say one of those universes isn't the one in which the creator of our perceived/known universe lives?

    However, creator or not, I simply can't believe that some being would create humans as a special project, then leave them to make up their own stories of where they came from instead of constantly intervening to "keep the peace" so to speak.

    And my biggest argument: If god is love, then why is there a food chain? Animals have to brutally murder other animals in order to survive. What kind of "loving" god creates an environment like that?


    This so fucking much.
  • disasterpiece

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    Mar 24, 2012 5:38 AM GMT
    I don't believe in god, I don't believe in heaven.

    But some times, in the middle of the night, I have panic attacks thinking that there'll be nothing at all after this life, which consequently, for a few seconds during which I'm out of breathe and shaking, lose the last bit of its little sense.

    So I guess I'll die with my fingers crossed.
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    Mar 24, 2012 5:55 AM GMT
    Disasterpiece saidI don't believe in god, I don't believe in heaven.

    But some times, in the middle of the night, I have panic attacks thinking that there'll be nothing at all after this life, which consequently, for a few seconds during which I'm out of breathe and shaking, lose the last bit of its little sense.

    So I guess I'll die with my fingers crossed.
    "Energy cannot be created or destroyed."

    Our consciousness - in fact everything around us seen and unseen - is a form of energy. It will not go away until the universe goes away. And even then it won't be gone.

    Chew on that for a while. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 24, 2012 6:46 AM GMT
    Disasterpiece saidI don't believe in god, I don't believe in heaven.

    But some times, in the middle of the night, I have panic attacks thinking that there'll be nothing at all after this life, which consequently, for a few seconds during which I'm out of breathe and shaking, lose the last bit of its little sense.

    So I guess I'll die with my fingers crossed.


    So even though you don't believe in heaven do you wish that there is actually a heaven/afterlife?
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    Mar 24, 2012 6:49 AM GMT
    bobbob23 said
    Disasterpiece saidI don't believe in god, I don't believe in heaven.

    But some times, in the middle of the night, I have panic attacks thinking that there'll be nothing at all after this life, which consequently, for a few seconds during which I'm out of breathe and shaking, lose the last bit of its little sense.

    So I guess I'll die with my fingers crossed.


    So even though you don't believe in heaven do you wish that there is actually a heaven/afterlife?


    Yes, for sure. I've always seen life like an escalation of steps towards being a better being. I can't believe that the finish line is such a let down that it cancels every effort we did to get there... or avoid getting there.
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    Mar 24, 2012 7:06 AM GMT
    Disasterpiece said
    bobbob23 said
    Disasterpiece saidI don't believe in god, I don't believe in heaven.

    But some times, in the middle of the night, I have panic attacks thinking that there'll be nothing at all after this life, which consequently, for a few seconds during which I'm out of breathe and shaking, lose the last bit of its little sense.

    So I guess I'll die with my fingers crossed.


    So even though you don't believe in heaven do you wish that there is actually a heaven/afterlife?


    Yes, for sure. I've always seen life like an escalation of steps towards being a better being. I can't believe that the finish line is such a let down that it cancels every effort we did to get there... or avoid getting there.
    According to what I posted above, you will always be you. You just won't be the you that you're familiar with today. And to take it a step further, if you believe (or ponder the idea of) reincarnation, you could eventually reincarnate to be the consciousness of a computer in a few thousand years when humans have turned themselves into machines that never die.
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    Mar 24, 2012 7:10 AM GMT
    Disasterpiece said
    bobbob23 said
    Disasterpiece saidI don't believe in god, I don't believe in heaven.

    But some times, in the middle of the night, I have panic attacks thinking that there'll be nothing at all after this life, which consequently, for a few seconds during which I'm out of breathe and shaking, lose the last bit of its little sense.

    So I guess I'll die with my fingers crossed.


    So even though you don't believe in heaven do you wish that there is actually a heaven/afterlife?


    Yes, for sure. I've always seen life like an escalation of steps towards being a better being. I can't believe that the finish line is such a let down that it cancels every effort we did to get there... or avoid getting there.


    Sounds to me like a bit of existential angst. Like you love life and always aspire to be a better person but the thought that in the end its all meaningless is very unsettling and kind of shakes your resolve of trying to be the best in all that you do.
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    Mar 24, 2012 7:26 AM GMT
    bobbob23 said
    Disasterpiece said
    bobbob23 said
    Disasterpiece saidI don't believe in god, I don't believe in heaven.

    But some times, in the middle of the night, I have panic attacks thinking that there'll be nothing at all after this life, which consequently, for a few seconds during which I'm out of breathe and shaking, lose the last bit of its little sense.

    So I guess I'll die with my fingers crossed.


    So even though you don't believe in heaven do you wish that there is actually a heaven/afterlife?


    Yes, for sure. I've always seen life like an escalation of steps towards being a better being. I can't believe that the finish line is such a let down that it cancels every effort we did to get there... or avoid getting there.


    Sounds to me like a bit of existential angst. Like you love life and always aspire to be a better person but the thought that in the end its all meaningless is very unsettling and kind of shakes your resolve of trying to be the best in all that you do.


    You nailed it ! I had a very hard time going through Albert Camus and Jean-Paul Sartre's books back in college. I've been having those panic attacks since I'm 15, so I already had some kind of existential angst. Reading deeper into it wasn't the best time of my life ;)
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    Mar 24, 2012 7:27 AM GMT
    Im an Atheist.

    Religion branched off into the government and gave everyone an excuse to go to war. The demonic conspiracies and corruption wouldn't exist if religion didn't exist. With the possibility of burning in hell and all, I'm sure God is both feared than loved- Most Americans don't put god first, even if they claim they do. I'm not saying having faith is completely blinding, I just dont need a bible to make fair judgement in life.

    Meanwhile, Muslims have been killed left and right in the middle east ans now the US wants to intervene and help Christian militaries in East Africa all the sudden? Elitist know it's all bs, the land, the resources, the genocide. There's no one to blame but man kind.
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    Mar 24, 2012 7:52 AM GMT
    Disasterpiece said
    bobbob23 said
    Disasterpiece said
    bobbob23 said
    Disasterpiece saidI don't believe in god, I don't believe in heaven.

    But some times, in the middle of the night, I have panic attacks thinking that there'll be nothing at all after this life, which consequently, for a few seconds during which I'm out of breathe and shaking, lose the last bit of its little sense.

    So I guess I'll die with my fingers crossed.


    So even though you don't believe in heaven do you wish that there is actually a heaven/afterlife?


    Yes, for sure. I've always seen life like an escalation of steps towards being a better being. I can't believe that the finish line is such a let down that it cancels every effort we did to get there... or avoid getting there.


    Sounds to me like a bit of existential angst. Like you love life and always aspire to be a better person but the thought that in the end its all meaningless is very unsettling and kind of shakes your resolve of trying to be the best in all that you do.


    You nailed it ! I had a very hard time going through Albert Camus and Jean-Paul Sartre's books back in college. I've been having those panic attacks since I'm 15, so I already had some kind of existential angst. Reading deeper into it wasn't the best time of my life ;)


    Haha they sound like really good reads. I'll have to look them up some time :-)
  • BardBear

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    Mar 24, 2012 11:11 AM GMT
    I guess, at best, I'm taken to agnostism. I've not made that final leap (of faith, as it were!) to atheism. However, I am a Zennist. That means I practice many of the precepts of the philosophy (the Four Noble Truths; meditation) without the full on representation of the faith. Their worldview works with my personal ideals, so in that area, I'm okay. And, with the Zen living, I also read Taoist poetry and an insight to life.

    I was exposed to it with practicing martial arts. Never really went away from it.

    Peace,
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  • starboard5

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    Mar 24, 2012 3:26 PM GMT
    Not all religion is oriented toward a god or a heaven. Buddhism is a prime example.
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    Mar 24, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    I'm sorry but I opened this thread based solely on the title. I have read none of it, but the only thing I want to post here is

    WHO POSTS THIS SHIT?
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    Mar 24, 2012 3:31 PM GMT
    "Have You Given Up on Religion and Possibility of Heaven?"

    You bet I have.
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    Mar 24, 2012 3:45 PM GMT
    Jeremy, I think too many have been metaphorically crucified on the cross of religion. Is it any wonder they look askance at it?

    Your title says religion and heaven. Did you mean god and heaven? The two are quite different, I believe.

    I feel it all comes down to this, which is what Christ said to do, and interestingly, is what many atheists do as well.

    It's all good.

    In these lyrics you can hear frustration with religion and
    "I can't stay here anymore" which to me speaks of escaping small confining boxes of doctrines.

    -Doug



    Name your price
    a ticket to paradise
    I can't stay here any more
    and I've looked
    high and low

    I've been from shore
    to shore to shore
    If there's a short cut
    I'd have found it
    But there ain't no
    easy way around it

    (chorus)
    Light of the world
    shine on me
    Love is the answer
    Shine on us all
    set us free
    Love is the answer

    Who knows why
    someday we all must die
    We're all homeless
    boys and girls
    and we are never heard

    It's such a lonely
    lonely lonely world
    People turn their heads
    and walk on by
    Tell me is it worth
    just another try

    (chorus)

    Tell me are we alive
    or just a dying planet?
    (What are the chances)
    Ask the man in your heart
    for the answers

    And when you feel afraid
    (Love one another)
    When you've lost your way
    (Love one another)
    And when you're all alone
    (Love one another)
    And when you're far from home
    (Love one another)
    And when you're down and out
    (Love one another)
    And when your hopes run out
    (Love one another)
    And when you need a friend
    (Love one another)
    And when you're near the end
    (Love, we got to love)
    (We got to love one another)

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    Mar 24, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
    There's simply no way you can know what happens after we die. And if that knowledge cannot be gained in this life, what does it say about "God" that you would be rewarded (or punished) based on something unknowable?

    This is the essence of why I am agnostic.
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    Mar 24, 2012 3:55 PM GMT
    People need to realize that Church and Religion are two different things. "The Church" is an institution out there to make profits and Religion is a system of believes.
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    Mar 24, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
    JamieJfromtheA saidI believe in God alot, but I have found that alot of gay people have said (even here onRJ) that Religion is crap, brainwashing, they don't believe anymore etc. It is kind of heartbreaking. I know what we are told ever since birth about being gay and heaven and God, but I just believe deep in my heart that I will still go to heaven.

    I know alot of people both straight and gays have asked me why do I believe ina bible or God that people think condemns me and I just respond by saying that I feel like God knows my heart,and what I am. He knows it was not a choice and my struggle so I refuse to believe I will suffer for it.

    I do feel that what we could be told or what is believed could be wrong. I mean people used the bible to justify slavery, and all sorts of other things..so I don't believe that just because mankind interpreted that way doesnt mean that is how it is. I have read and took classes and everything and I just can't accept that I am bound for damnation. I WONT.

    I do sometimes feel like I am the only one who still cares. Is there anyone else out there, who still has faith and believe they would go to heaven reguardless of sexuality. I can't lie ...I am VERY religious in a sense, and I had a hard time going to church for years, and even stopped. I gave up at one point, so I can see how others could aswell, but is there anyone one out there who believes they will go to heaven and still is strong about their religion reguardless of what people say or what people say the bible says?



    Wonderful heartfelt profile you have there, and if there really is a God, and sometimes I still think there is, God bless you!
  • Erakhalnum

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    Mar 24, 2012 4:07 PM GMT
    The bad thing about being an atheist is that after I have died there is no chance of me being able to say “I was right”
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    Mar 24, 2012 4:09 PM GMT
    I believe in God, and in Heaven. As a teen, I got on my bike and visited a good number of churches on Sundays, and studied several religions. I was looking for a place that would accept me and where I could worship and feel great about myself. I found that in the Episcopal church. I'm there every Sunday - and sing in the choir. This church does it for me. I couldn't be happier.
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    Mar 24, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidI believe in God, and in Heaven. As a teen, I got on my bike and visited a good number of churches on Sundays, and studied several religions. I was looking for a place that would accept me and where I could worship and feel great about myself. I found that in the Episcopal church. I'm there every Sunday - and sing in the choir. This church does it for me. I couldn't be happier.


    That's fantastic to hear. While in LA, both of us attended the Hollywood Methodist Church (right off of Highland, south of the 101), for a number of years and I found that quite fulfilling.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 24, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
    I have broken away from religion and a belief in a so called supreme being. My permanent break from religious belief is largely due to my parents forcing me to go to church every sunday and holy day of obligation until I turned 18. I still feel to this very day that around 11 or 12 years of age, I should have been able to decide for myself if I wanted religion in my life. But my late parents were devout Roman Catholics and insisted that I needed the fairy tale God until I became an adult.