Would you gain 70lbs as an "experiment"?

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    Mar 24, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
    Personal trainer Drew Manning went from being ideal to overweight for his "Fit 2 Fat 2 Fit" campaign.

    Could you do this?

    What are your thoughts about the male body image "ideal"?
  • cookingitswee...

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    Mar 24, 2012 10:44 PM GMT
    No fucking way
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    Mar 24, 2012 10:50 PM GMT
    I already did, and lost it...but it wasn't an experiment. It was the result of full-time job + full-time student + full-time flight training.
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:37 AM GMT
    Hell no! Physiologically new fat cells are created with weight gain which just become thin with weight loss; they don't disappear, at least so I've read. Thus, they are lying in wait to plump up on cue.
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:38 AM GMT
    no, duh, no brainer
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:40 AM GMT
    Hell, and NO! icon_evil.gif
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:41 AM GMT
    No, what if I can't lose them and I lose my twink status and then I'd end up with flabby skin ewwwww!
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:43 AM GMT
    It's been done (unless this is the same guy we talked about months ago). Gaining weight for a few months isn't the same as having a life-long problem with your weight. It's not a valid experiment. It's just a publicity stunt.
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:59 AM GMT
    yes, always wanted to be bigger, not in fat but in muscle
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    Mar 25, 2012 5:00 AM GMT
    No, never again. NEVARRRRRR!!! icon_mad.gif
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    Mar 25, 2012 5:12 AM GMT
    Been there, done that.

    Except it wasn't an experiment.
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    Mar 25, 2012 5:17 AM GMT
    Hypnotico saidNo, what if I can't lose them and I lose my twink status and then I'd end up with flabby skin ewwwww!


    Sorry to disappoint you but you already will lose your "twink status" and tight smooth skin.

    Age is the great equalizer. In 10-15 years many young guys will not even consider hooking up with you! lol
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    Mar 25, 2012 5:19 AM GMT
    DeNiro did it for Raging Bull.
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    Mar 25, 2012 5:35 AM GMT
    It was an interesting experiment. Maybe putting on 30 pounds won't be a bad thing for me to accomplish.
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    Mar 25, 2012 6:55 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 said
    Hypnotico saidNo, what if I can't lose them and I lose my twink status and then I'd end up with flabby skin ewwwww!


    Sorry to disappoint you but you already will lose your "twink status" and tight smooth skin.

    Age is the great equalizer. In 10-15 years many young guys will not even consider hooking up with you! lol


    Unless he muscles up and becomes a daddy in his own right.
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    Mar 25, 2012 6:56 AM GMT
    irishkcguy saidDeNiro did it for Raging Bull.


    DeNiro and Christian Bale are freaks who get paid metric fucktons of money to jack their bodies up for movie roles.

    They get a pass for that sort of nonsense.
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    Mar 25, 2012 7:03 AM GMT
    HELL NO R U KIDDING ME
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    Mar 25, 2012 7:19 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said It's just a publicity stunt.


    This statement is a little sad to me. Why do we always have to assume negative intentions of people?

    Is what he doing a realistic experiment? Yes and no. It may not demonstrate the true psychological struggles that an obese person goes through in defeating their emotional dependency on food. But, what it does show is that with the right discipline and the right strategy, it's possible to lose the weight. At the same time, as the article stated, he experienced the stares of people at the grocery store yet he didn't say anything to them about what he was doing.

    This guy is sharing this information FOR FREE. His meals plans, for both men and woman, are available on his website and printable, at no charge. Is he endorsing some products? To some degree, but he adds that you can choose your own, i.e., multi vitamins and protein shakes.

    His photos are available on his website for his progression from fat to fit, though it's still a work in progress. Why can't he use that with his client base who continue to tell themselves how impossible it is to lose weight, when he can show them his progress, just by following the right meal plan?

    I absolutely commend this guy for doing what he did. One cannot be completely effective at their jobs without fully understanding the struggles of the people they are trying to help. Is it unorthodox? Hell yeah. But why is that wrong? What good would walking around in a fat suit that you can just take off at night do for what he was trying to accomplish.

    But to answer GAMRican's question, yes, I would do it for the purposes that Drew did it/is doing it.
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    Mar 25, 2012 7:30 AM GMT
    I have extreme yo-yo'd. Hoping the third time losng 100 + pounds will be the charm and I won't gain it back again.

    I think what this guy did was a bit extreme and I think from reading through - he's discovered now that getting it back off wasn't as easy as he thought it was going to be. The biggest battle is the mental/emotional one.

    Maybe he will use this as a lesson to help others like him in the future.
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    Mar 25, 2012 8:01 AM GMT
    EastCoastNAZ saidThis statement is a little sad to me. Why do we always have to assume negative intentions of people?

    Is what he doing a realistic experiment? Yes and no. It may not demonstrate the true psychological struggles that an obese person goes through in defeating their emotional dependency on food. But, what it does show is that with the right discipline and the right strategy, it's possible to lose the weight. At the same time, as the article stated, he experienced the stares of people at the grocery store yet he didn't say anything to them about what he was doing.

    This guy is sharing this information FOR FREE. His meals plans, for both men and woman, are available on his website and printable, at no charge. Is he endorsing some products? To some degree, but he adds that you can choose your own, i.e., multi vitamins and protein shakes.

    His photos are available on his website for his progression from fat to fit, though it's still a work in progress. Why can't he use that with his client base who continue to tell themselves how impossible it is to lose weight, when he can show them his progress, just by following the right meal plan?

    I absolutely commend this guy for doing what he did. One cannot be completely effective at their jobs without fully understanding the struggles of the people they are trying to help. Is it unorthodox? Hell yeah. But why is that wrong? What good would walking around in a fat suit that you can just take off at night do for what he was trying to accomplish.

    But to answer GAMRican's question, yes, I would do it for the purposes that Drew did it/is doing it.


    I didn't say his intentions were completely bad, but he's trying to sell a book. His intentions aren't completely pure either. One way or another he'll make money off of this. He'll get a lot of media exposure and maybe even get a Reality TV show.

    This bothers me because he's over simplifying what overweight and obese people have to do to get into shape. It's different for everybody. The same diet and workout plan won't work for everybody. It's not just psychological. It's physical too, including hormone imbalances and genetics.

    He was already in shape before he gained the weight. It's much easier to lose weight if you were in shape before. Actors do it all the time. It's just not the same. I think it will be discouraging to people who follow his plan without success. It can take time to find the right combination of diet and exercise to improve your body, but people give up because they buy into the "just to this and you'll look like a model" hype, and it doesn't work.

    I'm not completely dismissing his experience either. He has a better understanding of what it's like to be judged as a fat person. But as others have said, he could have done the same thing with a fat suit.

    This has the feeling of more of a gimmick than a true experiment to me.
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    Mar 25, 2012 8:16 AM GMT
    ^^^
    tl:dr - I like this guy's journey and what it will teach other trainers.

    Long tirade:

    Honestly, when I was fat and would see the fat suit shows - I found that offensive. I think what this guy did will give him a much better understanding than a few hours in a fat suit.

    It's a daily chipping away at your self-worth. I think he genuinely saw that as the weeks of gaining progressed. It's a big difference.

    I will read his book. I guess I am looking at it from the other side - Maybe his book will inspire trainers and people that are already fit to look at this situations differently. There are all sorts of presumptions made. When I first joined this site - I heard comments about how it is my fault and I shouldn't have ever let myself to get to that point anyway. You're fat because you choose to be. If you don't want to be simply stop eating. - All of this is true, but really isn't that simple.

    I think that this guy has learned this lesson. Nothing is as simple as it sounds. I hope this is the lessons he shares within his community - and then come back and say - hey - we need to look at the way we approach this...

    I would much rather see something like this than those trainers on the Biggest Loser - who speak to people in the most horrible ways. Every time I turn that show on - I get violently upset. I though about applying to be on that show at one point.

    I saw an episode where Bob actually had his foot on one of the men that was trying to do situps, but was struggling and crying. He was cursing the dude out. - I told my trainer if he ever thought about putting his foot on me like that - he would be flying into the mirror.

    Most people that are in that predicament - aren't motivated by military type of yelling. - They put up with it because they're desperate for the help. They've been belittled enough before they got there. What those trainers do is not encouraging at all.

    (Sorry, end of tirade - stepping off my soap box now)
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    Mar 25, 2012 8:33 AM GMT
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    Hypnotico saidNo, what if I can't lose them and I lose my twink status and then I'd end up with flabby skin ewwwww!


    Sorry to disappoint you but you already will lose your "twink status" and tight smooth skin.

    Age is the great equalizer. In 10-15 years many young guys will not even consider hooking up with you! lol


    I look like I'm 15 right now so in 10 years I'll look about 25 and since I'm a quarter Korean and my mom looks like a 30 year old, I think I'll hold on to my "twink status" for more than 10 years!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 25, 2012 8:55 AM GMT
    Never! Though I don't think it would be possible for me to gain more than a few kg, and even that would be damn hard.
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    Mar 25, 2012 9:01 AM GMT
    I remember seeing another personal trainer had done this earlier (perhaps it from another thread on here?). I thought the guy was from Arizona, but it looks like and sounds like this guy who is actually form Australia.

    http://www.paulpjjames.com/

    Pretty cool he has a youtube channel with an upcoming book and documentary about it

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    Mar 25, 2012 9:10 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said
    I didn't say his intentions were completely bad, but he's trying to sell a book. His intentions aren't completely pure either. One way or another he'll make money off of this. He'll get a lot of media exposure and maybe even get a Reality TV show.

    Isn't that what business is all about? Trying to promote and sell the product you are creating? It doesn't make it any less sincere or effective and it doesn't mean it won't inspire others who need inspiration. Why not commend him for trying to take a different approach to this difficult topic? Did you think the movie, "Supersize Me" was pure gimmick? In many ways it was, but what were the end results? "Supersize" as an option went away. More healthy choices at McD's and other fast food joints become available.

    DudeInNOVA saidThis bothers me because he's over simplifying what overweight and obese people have to do to get into shape. It's different for everybody. The same diet and workout plan won't work for everybody. It's not just psychological. It's physical too, including hormone imbalances and genetics.


    How is he oversimplifying this? He's taking 6 months to take the weight off. That's an average of about 3 pounds per week. Tell that to a morbidly obese person that you can help them lose weight by 3 pounds per week and their response is probably going to be, "that sounds like too much work over too much time. I'll just wait til I can afford the surgery". The problem with obese people is that they OVERCOMPLICATE the process. What Drew is trying to show is that it is possible with the right plan. And, honestly, that's just the plain truth.
    And, no, the same plan won't work for everyone. But for 98% of the overweight population, it probably will. Otherwise, the other 2% need to go see a doctor. If every plan in any line of business were to not move forward because of 2% of fallibility, we'd all still be stuck in the dark ages.

    DudeInNOVA saidHe was already in shape before he gained the weight. It's much easier to lose weight if you were in shape before. Actors do it all the time. It's just not the same. I think it will be discouraging to people who follow his plan without success. It can take time to find the right combination of diet and exercise to improve your body, but people give up because they buy into the "just to this and you'll look like a model" hype, and it doesn't work.


    Who's to say it's much easier to lose weight if you were in shape before? Tell that to the thousands of mothers who never lost the "baby weight" after having kids. Why didn't they lose the weight? Because they didn't change the way they ate and/or the way they were/were not physical throughout the day. And I know plenty of men who once were super fit and became obese and struggle to lose the weight. Why? Because of unhealthy diets, lack of exercise, too much stress, and too much beer.


    DudeInNOVA saidI'm not completely dismissing his experience either. He has a better understanding of what it's like to be judged as a fat person. But as others have said, he could have done the same thing with a fat suit.
    Do you really and truly believe that he could have done the same in a fat suit? You completely contradict your own assertions of the psychological (and emotional) aspects of being obese by saying this. He's not doing this for the judgement aspect. He's doing this to understand the struggles, day to day, of the weigh-in, of the change in eating habits, of the actual feeling of fat hanging on the body, of the actual physical differences deep within that you feel when eating healthy versus eating unhealthily, of being an actual, fat person.


    DudeInNOVA saidThis has the feeling of more of a gimmick than a true experiment to me.


    Gimmick or not, it's going to inspire people in the right way. Too often, TV portrays losing weight with simple before and after pictures. Drew is providing week by week progress photos, based on his available meal plans, to inspire others to stick with a plan to see the results. How anyone can dismiss this as a gimmick is a bit baffling to be honest. It's quite a gimmick for this guy to sacrifice an entire year of his life to getting fat then getting fit.