Website design question! How hard is it as a field to work in when you can make them for free online with professional results? Compared to paying someone $500 for one. How do web designers stay in business?

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    Mar 25, 2012 4:06 AM GMT
    So yeah, I have a job offer given to me to make a website. My problem is im more of a graphic designer. They're willing to pay but i honestly think they will get better results from a automated website creator than me. Should I just do it or should I be honest? I dont get how website design places charge up to $500 for a website. When you can make professional ones online for free.


    This is honestly my biggest fear in the industry, it's not like food or cosmetics. You can't just download it online. Can anyone help me with what i should do?
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:14 AM GMT
    As long as you have no confidence, you will have no career.

    In anything.
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    No real expert uses templates. Templates are what they are, it allows people who are not very versed in web design to get a site up and running in short time. As a web designer you can do so much more than what a template can offer, the possibilities are endless as you can create and customize whatever you want. If they are small jobs then sure templates and those online website builders may be ok.
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:24 AM GMT
    I would go into details but you ask some really stupid questions. No offense
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:30 AM GMT
    Haha, that's okay. Like I said, i'm only into the graphic design perspective. I'm hoping to branch into the web design later on. I'm just confused as, well yeah $500 a site is so steep when you create something for free. I know the website builders I was playing around with had pretty much everything. HTML 5 or flash, forums, pages. It's own free photography built in. It would just seem so many business in web design would struggle.
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:38 AM GMT
    Kristoff saidHaha, that's okay. Like I said, i'm only into the graphic design perspective. I'm hoping to branch into the web design later on. I'm just confused as, well yeah $500 a site is so steep when you create something for free. I know the website builders I was playing around with had pretty much everything. HTML 5 or flash, forums, pages. It's own free photography built in. It would just seem so many business in web design would struggle.


    It depends on what you are creating, what the job entails. It's hard for me to answer with prices, all sites are different but there are sites that you can not build with those site builders. And yes, some companies do charge a lot for something you can get from a template but thats just business. Some companies do suffer when it comes to those basic sites, you can just go online and do it yourself but not everyone capable of even using those website builders. You should definitely look into branching out into web design if you are good with graphics. I lack the creativity for either so I am into Networking and Security.

    i hope that makes sense, its late and I cant think straight LOL Straight lol
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
    I would suggest they go with the automated website designer. At least it probably knows a title is a few words at most and not three sentences.
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    Mar 25, 2012 5:02 AM GMT
    Iceblink saidI would suggest they go with the automated website designer. At least it probably knows a title is a few words at most and not three sentences.


    Spot on
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    Mar 25, 2012 6:29 AM GMT
    Iceblink saidI would suggest they go with the automated website designer. At least it probably knows a title is a few words at most and not three sentences.


    It's funny how I'm more than half your age. But I have the maturity to not make bitchy mean girl comments.

    You're 45. Grow up.

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    Mar 25, 2012 9:00 AM GMT
    ^^^Please explain the irony in the picture.
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    Mar 25, 2012 2:13 PM GMT
    Kristoff said
    Iceblink saidI would suggest they go with the automated website designer. At least it probably knows a title is a few words at most and not three sentences.


    It's funny how I'm more than half your age. But I have the maturity to not make bitchy mean girl comments.

    You're 45. Grow up.




    It's funny how you're 19 and make threads asking why it is important to brush your teeth.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2233496/

    Grow up. The endless stupidity of your threads, it's scary that anyone would give you any type of responsibility.
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    Mar 25, 2012 2:19 PM GMT
    Web designers get hired by firms for their expertise to create the custom content and apps. They also have to understand the functiionality and design aspects - much more detailed than throwing up a template.

    What you need to do is investigate the need for those types of services in your area - and if this is what you are planning on doing - start building a network with the people that might hire you now - via linkedin or some other service.

    You might try to volunteer for an internship at a company that specializes - or do some web-design work on the side for a small business that might not be able to pay you much - in order to start building a portfolio of work.

    This will help you get noticed by potential employers.

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    Mar 25, 2012 3:57 PM GMT
    onaquest saidWeb designers get hired by firms for their expertise to create the custom content and apps. They also have to understand the functiionality and design aspects - much more detailed than throwing up a template.

    What you need to do is investigate the need for those types of services in your area - and if this is what you are planning on doing - start building a network with the people that might hire you now - via linkedin or some other service.

    You might try to volunteer for an internship at a company that specializes - or do some web-design work on the side for a small business that might not be able to pay you much - in order to start building a portfolio of work.

    This will help you get noticed by potential employers.



    Agreed. If you want a cookie-cutter website, you use a content creator. If you want something that catches people's interest and stands out, you go with a web designer.

    What they're paying you for is your artistic eye. Put together something functional that looks great, they'll be happy to pay you $500 for it.

    If you want to branch into web design, it's a great way to start. Another possibility you can look at is designing at crowdsourcing design sites like 99designs. You get practice, get to see how others are doing it, and if your design is best, you get some money and something to point to when it's time to show off your portfolio.

    For this job, if I were you, I'd take it. They aren't hiring a code monkey, they're hiring an artist.
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    Mar 25, 2012 4:43 PM GMT
    Typically I've found that most clients want a package... they want an identity. What's that mean? Well, you create: business card, letterhead, envelope, the logo. From there you build the website (with said logo) that suits their needs.

    *shrugs*

    Almost all of your graphic design degrees require some sort of web design background. It's impossible to survive without it.
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    Mar 25, 2012 5:36 PM GMT
    A real customized website cost more than $500. It cost on average $3,000 for the basics and rises up if it includes more advanced features like Java plug-in ,etc. And yes it is so worth it, you don't want your website from a free template if you looking to expand your business to be a professional business. I know a therapist who pay $16,000 for his professional website which includes the whole package business card, flyers, letterhead, etc. If someone is paying you only $500 for a website, she/he is ripping you off because a website isn't just a page, it includes multiple pages 10+ and takes hours to write.
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    Mar 25, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    $500? I spent 10s of thousands on my site.
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    Mar 25, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
    I'm a web developer, and I get anywhere from 5-10 calls PER WEEK from people who find me on LinkedIn. It's a highly coveted field.

    The original question is fucking silly -- it's like asking, "Since you can get a $5.99 meal at McDonald's, how do Chef's have a career?!"

    It's called art, and templates aren't art. And when a business uses a shitty template, it shows, and people don't buy from their site.
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    Mar 25, 2012 6:53 PM GMT
    Jewlicious saidI would go into details but you ask some really stupid questions. No offense


    he does ask absurd questions. I think he may be mentally challenged.

    A proper professional website is SO much more than a home made one, everything from the copy writing, SEO and eye path and other UX issues. Then you have the issues of focussing the marketing, the message, etc. Then perhaps you have content marketing and so on... But it´s true. Graphic designers tend to make bad sites.

    A good site does well in organic search and then when you follow the link has a clear and directed user experience, directing the reader towards the action or actions that the site owner wants (buy something, contact us etc). There is an art to that.
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    Mar 25, 2012 7:03 PM GMT
    As a business owner who gets most of my clients through my site, I pay good money for a great site. A lot of people in my field go the other direction - creating their own site by themselves - and you can tell, their sites look cheap. I think the way your site looks is a reflection of the quality of your work, and I get a lot of compliments from prospective clients about how great my site looks. To me, it only makes sense to put your best foot forward with a site that suggests high-end work and confidence. That said, should you accept web design work? That comes down to one simple question: do you want to? No one is putting a gun to your head. If the work excites you, do it. If it doesn't, don't. But here is a business owner's warning: don't make the mistake of having some vague "I'll charge you $500 for your site" agreement - that is an open invitation for demanding clients who will want more, more, more for their $500. Either charge hourly or come up with very specific parameters of what $500 gets you. Otherwise, this will become a never-ending project where you're not getting paid for overtime and you'll end up hating your client.
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    Mar 25, 2012 7:16 PM GMT
    At one time, I bought in for several $k for logo, website, etc. package. In my case, I had to demand my money back because they were sending me ugly clip art and crap that was worse than a plain template. I just had to take three days off and do it myself.

    But there are plenty of people who would pay you to do that because they simply do not have time or else have no skills at all. It's just probably a somewhat limited niche.

    In my own business, I get calls three or four times a week from people wanting me to do something that they can easily do themselves or get from the government for free. I always recommend they do that. But you'd be surprised how many people want to pay me to do it anyway. (Also note: Starbucks is not apparently going broke...)
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    Mar 25, 2012 7:20 PM GMT
    ScottyMcbody said"

    It's called art, and templates aren't art.


    It's actually called design, and it's a branch of Visual Communication, which is separate from Visual Art.
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    Mar 25, 2012 7:26 PM GMT
    If the creature / gnome kristoff were a professional Graphic Designer - he would not even be posting this question. Even an amateur wanna-be would not post this question.
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    Mar 25, 2012 8:52 PM GMT
    Cash saidIf the creature / gnome kristoff were a professional Graphic Designer - he would not even be posting this question. Even an amateur wanna-be would not post this question.


    LOL.
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    Mar 25, 2012 9:02 PM GMT
    commoncoll said^^^Please explain the irony in the picture.


    The doors on the cars.
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    Mar 25, 2012 9:14 PM GMT
    globe_trotter saidA real customized website cost more than $500. It cost on average $3,000 for the basics and rises up if it includes more advanced features like Java plug-in ,etc. And yes it is so worth it, you don't want your website from a free template if you looking to expand your business to be a professional business. I know a therapist who pay $16,000 for his professional website which includes the whole package business card, flyers, letterhead, etc. If someone is paying you only $500 for a website, she/he is ripping you off because a website isn't just a page, it includes multiple pages 10+ and takes hours to write.


    It depends on the functionality. If all they want is a glorified brochure with a handful of pages, then $500 is quite a reasonable offer to build a site. I could do it in a few days.

    You're right, bells and whistles cost much more.