Does anyone have an idea of what it means to be human?

  • rockinb

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    Mar 26, 2012 7:14 PM GMT
    I'm interested in what people have to say. What is it that makes us human? (By the way, I'm not talking about the biological complexities, more so, your experience as a human being).
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    Mar 26, 2012 7:15 PM GMT
    rockinb saidI'm interested in what people have to say. What is it that makes us human? (By the way, I'm not talking about the biological complexities, more so, your experience as a human being).
    Yeah, I use my brain.. not a book to live my life.icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 26, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
    Shopping.
  • rockinb

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    Mar 26, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    Interesting points people have made.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREYeah, I use my brain.. not a book to live my life.


    An argument about processing stimuli.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREI'm sure as hell not a house pet... Maybe a bitch and a pussy, but not a dog or a cat.


    An argument for shape and form.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREShopping.


    An argument for what it means to want and desire.

    So what makes us human is the ability to be intelligent, distinguish shape and form, and have wants and desires?

  • commoncoll

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    Mar 26, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
    Is there a point you want someone to make? You already seem to understand the answer intuitively.
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    Mar 26, 2012 10:08 PM GMT
    empathy?
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    Mar 26, 2012 10:18 PM GMT
    That I need a Passport and plenty of cash for a ticket to travel - as well as having my body searched as I pass through Security - while certain birds can migrate around the world free, and without the need of any official document, breaking the bank, long queues (lines), barrier gates or prying hands by guys in uniform.

    Oh, and I nearly forgot: the migrating birds have no worries whether staff will go on strike on the day they are due to take off...
  • rockinb

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    Mar 26, 2012 10:44 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREIs there a point you want someone to make? You already seem to understand the answer intuitively.


    I genuinely don't understand. I was hoping someone in here could give me a fulfilling answer.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREempathy?


    Can you tell me more?

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    Mar 26, 2012 10:52 PM GMT
    Something as complex as "being human" cannot be defined so easily.

    If you're asking for person opinion then it's a bit more complex. What separates homo sapiens from other species? What defines us from our common ancestors?

    To be human is to feel something, anything. When you lose the ability to feel you lose the ability to ease the suffering of others and yourself. You lose who you are and your humanity.
  • rockinb

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    Mar 26, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERESomething as complex as "being human" cannot be defined so easily.

    If you're asking for person opinion then it's a bit more complex. What separates homo sapiens from other species? What defines us from our common ancestors?

    To be human is to feel something, anything. When you lose the ability to feel you lose the ability to ease the suffering of others and yourself. You lose who you are and your humanity.


    Being human is a feeling then- right? But whats a feeling? Cant any advanced technology simulate a feeling (in theory). How do i know what i feel is real?

    I just cant grasp my mind around the new age wave of thinking that has reduced the human experience down to a mathematical formula, or better yet a computation.

    I've come across people who argue being human is nothing special. They argue a computer can simulate being human, its not if but when it happens. As a matter of their opinion, our very reality is a computer simulation happening in "real" time- WTF???...How?

    That's why I'm asking what is it that makes us human.





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    Mar 27, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
    rockinb said
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERESomething as complex as "being human" cannot be defined so easily.

    If you're asking for person opinion then it's a bit more complex. What separates homo sapiens from other species? What defines us from our common ancestors?

    To be human is to feel something, anything. When you lose the ability to feel you lose the ability to ease the suffering of others and yourself. You lose who you are and your humanity.


    Being human is a feeling then- right? But whats a feeling? Cant any advanced technology simulate a feeling (in theory). How do i know what i feel is real?

    I just cant grasp my mind around the new age wave of thinking that has reduced the human experience down to a mathematical formula, or better yet a computation.

    I've come across people who argue being human is nothing special. They argue a computer can simulate being human, its not if but when it happens. As a matter of their opinion, our very reality is a computer simulation happening in "real" time- WTF???...How?

    That's why I'm asking what is it that makes us human.







    I'm not sure to be entirely honest. That is getting way too far past my knowledge. I think if you're looking for a clear answer you should hit up someone who is very educated on that: like a biology professor or Niel Degresse Tyson haha
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    Mar 27, 2012 12:22 AM GMT
    The ability to smite your enemies, and then enjoy hearing the lamentations of their women.

    Mere beasts just have to be content with eating their prey.

    Uncooked, even. Utter barbarity, I tell you.
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    Mar 27, 2012 12:27 AM GMT
    Compassion.
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    Mar 27, 2012 12:31 AM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidThe ability to smite your enemies, and then enjoy hearing the lamentations of their women.

    Mere beasts just have to be content with eating their prey.

    Uncooked, even. Utter barbarity, I tell you.


    Oh yes. Homo Sapiens has even gone beyond the simple and fleeting joy of the taste of "long pig". Now we enslave one another with social constructs such as illiteracy and debt. Why kill your enemy when you can enslave them and live off of them (and their progeny) for generations? It's kind of like the way parasites suckle off of their hosts.
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    Mar 27, 2012 12:38 AM GMT
    rockinb saidI just cant grasp my mind around the new age wave of thinking that has reduced the human experience down to a mathematical formula, or better yet a computation.

    I've come across people who argue being human is nothing special. They argue a computer can simulate being human, its not if but when it happens. As a matter of their opinion, our very reality is a computer simulation happening in "real" time- WTF???...How?

    That's why I'm asking what is it that makes us human.


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    Mar 27, 2012 12:44 AM GMT
    GAMRican said{true stuff about debt slavery}


    That and the invention of trading increasingly worthless scraps of green inked paper about for things of questionable value is about the high point of civilized humanity.
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    Mar 27, 2012 12:47 AM GMT
    So about a decade ago I interviewed for a job and having met the HR Director I'm meeting with the senior partner, who said "We're different from other firms, we're more like a family. For example, when the HR Director's husband died in the Twin Towers on 9/11 everyone pulled together and was particularly solicitous." To which I thought "if they're like family as the latest marrying in I'd be the first to be screwed" and "that doesn't make you special, that makes you human." I didn't take the job and my instincts proved correct; a friend who did wind up working for them said she'd never bore witness to so much nepotism and internal politics anywhere else. That's humanity for you!
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    Mar 27, 2012 12:50 AM GMT
    GAMRican saidCompassion.


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    Mar 27, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    Cheese fries.
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    Mar 27, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
    I'd say it is being able to understand the context in which we exist. By which I mean things such as space/time, love, morality, desire outside of reproduction, and of course mortality.
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    Mar 27, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    Detachment and self-awareness. We can detach from our thoughts, feelings, impulses, and observe ourselves and everything around us and go against our programming and nature if we want to. It's a sort of consciousness that other animals don't have and something computers can't simulate. A frog doesn't know it's a frog and it doesn't choose to look for food, it just looks for food. We can make choices that other beings can't.
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    Mar 27, 2012 1:02 AM GMT
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    rockinb saidI just cant grasp my mind around the new age wave of thinking that has reduced the human experience down to a mathematical formula, or better yet a computation.

    I've come across people who argue being human is nothing special. They argue a computer can simulate being human, its not if but when it happens. As a matter of their opinion, our very reality is a computer simulation happening in "real" time- WTF???...How?

    That's why I'm asking what is it that makes us human.




    @TheAntiJock - Great clip. Profound message!

    Man and machine. The distinction becomes more and more blurred with accelerating change in biology, technology, biotechnology, and "artificial" intelligence. There will come a point in time when our creation is able to evolve faster than we can. Perhaps we will obsolete ourselves, immortalize ourselves, transcend ourselves, transfer our consciousness into more durable vessels, or even imprison ourselves in such a way as to never know peace.

    All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

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    Mar 27, 2012 1:05 AM GMT
    xKorix saidDetachment and self-awareness. We can detach from our thoughts, feelings, impulses, and observe ourselves and everything around us and go against our programming and nature if we want to. It's a sort of consciousness that other animals don't have and something computers can't simulate. A frog doesn't know it's a frog and it doesn't choose to look for food, it just looks for food. We can make choices that other beings can't.


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    Mar 27, 2012 1:07 AM GMT
    RunintheCity saidI'd say it is being able to understand the context in which we exist. By which I mean things such as space/time, love, morality, desire outside of reproduction, and of course mortality.


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    Mar 27, 2012 1:08 AM GMT
    ^^ Whoops! Beat me to it! icon_wink.gif

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    xKorix saidDetachment and self-awareness. We can detach from our thoughts, feelings, impulses, and observe ourselves and everything around us and go against our programming and nature if we want to. It's a sort of consciousness that other animals don't have and something computers can't simulate. A frog doesn't know it's a frog and it doesn't choose to look for food, it just looks for food. We can make choices that other beings can't.


    These are great! Remember the clip where the elephant herd comes across the bones of one of their long-dead members and appears to mourn it?