How to smear a dead kid!

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    Mar 27, 2012 2:54 PM GMT
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/?mobile=wp

    This is just disgusting and wrong. I guess if you paint him as a "thug"with lies then and fake pics then I guess its ok to shoot him ?

    oh and this some of the pics our fellow real jock members have posted have been straight from the stormfront forums.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/26/stormfront-deliberately-shows-wrong-photo-of-trayvon-martin-looking-gangsta-image/
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    Mar 27, 2012 3:50 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/?mobile=wp

    This is just disgusting and wrong.



    What I find "disgusting and wrong" is that there is the rush to judgment on this case before all of the facts are really known. The "mob mentality", now even involving The Black Panthers, has spun this thing so out of control that the TRUTH is lost somewhere in the middle of it all. I'm not taking sides one way or the other on this, merely pointing out that there is clearly more to the story and, until all the facts are known and the pieces put together, people should take a deep breath.
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    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/?mobile=wp

    This is just disgusting and wrong.



    What I find "disgusting and wrong" is that there is the rush to judgment on this case before all of the facts are really known. The "mob mentality", now even involving The Black Panthers, has spun this thing so out of control that the TRUTH is lost somewhere in the middle of it all. I'm not taking sides one way or the other on this, merely pointing out that there is clearly more to the story and, until all the facts are known and the pieces put together, people should take a deep breath.


    Do you even know what the outrage is about? He was never fucking arrested and they treated Trayvon as some common thug, they never even bothered to find his parents.
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    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/?mobile=wp

    This is just disgusting and wrong.



    What I find "disgusting and wrong" is that there is the rush to judgment on this case before all of the facts are really known. The "mob mentality", now even involving The Black Panthers, has spun this thing so out of control that the TRUTH is lost somewhere in the middle of it all. I'm not taking sides one way or the other on this, merely pointing out that there is clearly more to the story and, until all the facts are known and the pieces put together, people should take a deep breath.


    The actual 100% truth is unknowable. It almost always is. But with the facts that we have so far, it looks bad for Zimmerman.

    They asked Zimmerman if he was pursuing, and he said "yes"...that is very damning. If Zimmerman had stopped, it defies logic that Martin would turn around and pursue him. Seems more likely the Zimmerman continued to pursue, and one of the parties started the altercation. At the very least, the "stand your ground" law doesn't seem to apply here.
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    Mar 27, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    Do you even know what the outrage is about? He was never fucking arrested and they treated Trayvon as some common thug, they never even bothered to find his parents.



    The fact that Zimmerman was not arrested is not necessarily out of the ordinary. When police arrived at the scene, Zimmerman was bleeding, and other witnesses claimed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him, so at that time the "Self defense" claim seemed plausible....not to mention the fact that Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law makes it problematic for arrest under the circumstances. Regarding the police never bothering to find Martin's parents, I'm not sure how much of that is really truth. Regardless, there is still much to learn about the actual events that lead up to and caused all of this. The rush to judgment is making it all the more problematic for authorities to get to the truth.
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    Mar 27, 2012 6:15 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/?mobile=wp

    This is just disgusting and wrong. I guess if you paint him as a "thug"with lies then and fake pics then I guess its ok to shoot him ?

    oh and this some of the pics our fellow real jock members have posted have been straight from the stormfront forums.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/26/stormfront-deliberately-shows-wrong-photo-of-trayvon-martin-looking-gangsta-image/


    Spreading lies to bolster their position is nothing new for the right-wing propaganda machine (Fox News, Limbaugh, and the rest of the bottom-feeders). They've perfected it into an art form. (Remember the forged documents that Bush used to lie his way into the Iraq War? And that certainly turned out well.)
    Being called on posting fake photos will do nothing to shame them... they consider their campaign of lies a badge of honor. Despicable.
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    Mar 27, 2012 6:27 PM GMT
    KissTheSky said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/?mobile=wp

    This is just disgusting and wrong. I guess if you paint him as a "thug"with lies then and fake pics then I guess its ok to shoot him ?

    oh and this some of the pics our fellow real jock members have posted have been straight from the stormfront forums.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/26/stormfront-deliberately-shows-wrong-photo-of-trayvon-martin-looking-gangsta-image/


    Spreading lies to bolster their position is nothing new for the right-wing propaganda machine (Fox News, Limbaugh, and the rest of the bottom-feeders). They've perfected it into an art form. (Remember the forged documents that Bush used to lie his way into the Iraq War? And that certainly turned out well.)
    Being called on posting fake photos will do nothing to shame them... they consider their campaign of lies a badge of honor. Despicable.


    Very true. It's just very sad that we have so many guys on here, who - despite being the victims of gay smears - are so willing to peddle the smears against Trayvon. Perhaps they will get a paranoid vigilante in their community and that will change their minds.
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    Mar 27, 2012 7:07 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidIt's just very sad that we have so many guys on here, who - despite being the victims of gay smears - are so willing to peddle the smears against Trayvon. Perhaps they will get a paranoid vigilante in their community and that will change their minds.



    I just think it's hypocritical to criticize assertions made about Trayvon Martin, as if there is no grain of truth in any of it, and yet everyone is suppose to take things printed and posted about Zimmerman as if it's the gospel. The real TRUTH get's lost along the way when the lynch mob mentality comes into play before the facts are known and a rush to judgement ensues.
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    Mar 27, 2012 7:09 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidIt's just very sad that we have so many guys on here, who - despite being the victims of gay smears - are so willing to peddle the smears against Trayvon. Perhaps they will get a paranoid vigilante in their community and that will change their minds.



    I just think it's hypocritical to criticize assertions made about Trayvon Martin, as if there is no grain of truth in any of it, and yet everyone is suppose to take things printed and posted about Zimmerman as if it's the gospel. The real TRUTH get's lost along the way when the lynch mob mentality comes into play before the facts are known and a rush to judgement ensues.


    What assertions? That he may have smoke pot? That he was suspended from high school where he was an A-B student? Or the fake pictures that the right-wing is throwing all over the Internet?

    How is any of that germane when this kid was stalked and shot to death by a self-appointed "neighborhood watch captain"?

    If Zimmerman shot you to death, would it be relevant to mention that you were gay? Or that you sell real estate to the 1%? Or that you enjoy cocktails on the weekend?

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    Mar 27, 2012 7:43 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    What assertions? That he may have smoke pot? That he was suspended from high school where he was an A-B student? Or the fake pictures that the right-wing is throwing all over the Internet?

    How is any of that germane when this kid was stalked and shot to death by a self-appointed "neighborhood watch captain"?



    It's not germane that he was suspended multiple times from school. The media first attempted (as did his family) to portray this kid as a Skittle-toting innocent teenager, when that simply may not be the case. Witnesses saw this kid beating on Zimmerman. I'm not taking any side here, but merely pointing out that a rush to judgement may be clouding the truth and how this all came down. If Zimmerman is guilty, hang the guy out to dry, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt just as the killed teen does.
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    Christian73 said
    What assertions? That he may have smoke pot? That he was suspended from high school where he was an A-B student? Or the fake pictures that the right-wing is throwing all over the Internet?

    How is any of that germane when this kid was stalked and shot to death by a self-appointed "neighborhood watch captain"?



    It's not germane that he was suspended multiple times from school. The media first attempted (as did his family) to portray this kid as a Skittle-toting innocent teenager, when that simply may not be the case. Witnesses saw this kid beating on Zimmerman. I'm not taking any side here, but merely pointing out that a rush to judgement may be clouding the truth and how this all came down. If Zimmerman is guilty, hang the guy out to dry, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt just as the killed teen does.


    I love that Trayvon is somehow the threat when it's Zimmerman who was hunting him with a fucking gun. Trayvon was never even suspended for anything most people haven't done, he just got caught.

    Lets not forget Zimmerman is the son of a judge and made his priors (violent) disappear (with which he never would have gotten a gun I hope).

    http://gawker.com/5896490/your-guide-to-the-idiotic-racist-backlash-against-trayvon-martin
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    Mar 27, 2012 8:17 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    What assertions? That he may have smoke pot? That he was suspended from high school where he was an A-B student? Or the fake pictures that the right-wing is throwing all over the Internet?

    How is any of that germane when this kid was stalked and shot to death by a self-appointed "neighborhood watch captain"?



    It's not germane that he was suspended multiple times from school. The media first attempted (as did his family) to portray this kid as a Skittle-toting innocent teenager, when that simply may not be the case. Witnesses saw this kid beating on Zimmerman. I'm not taking any side here, but merely pointing out that a rush to judgement may be clouding the truth and how this all came down. If Zimmerman is guilty, hang the guy out to dry, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt just as the killed teen does.


    I love that Trayvon is somehow the threat when it's Zimmerman who was hunting him with a fucking gun. Trayvon was never even suspended for anything most people haven't done, he just got caught.

    Lets not forget Zimmerman is the son of a judge and made his priors (violent) disappear (with which he never would have gotten a gun I hope).

    http://gawker.com/5896490/your-guide-to-the-idiotic-racist-backlash-against-trayvon-martin




    Let us all acknowledge that you a quoting from a source --- "GAWKER" --- LOL! That's priceless! Most people never get suspended from school at all --- let alone 3 times. I'm not saying this kid was a bad apple, but he is clearly not the innocent sweet kid that he was originally portrayed as. We don't know that Trayvon was NOT a threat -- maybe he was. We do know that Zimmerman ended up bloody, bashed, and bruised after his encounter with Trayvon, during which time witnesses claim they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him. It's not all that big of a stretch to wonder if Trayvon was, in fact, up to no good and, just like he "got caught" in school and ended up suspended multiple times, maybe this time he "got caught" messing with the wrong person and ended up dead. Suffice to say that, hopefully, the facts will come out and the truth will be revealed. If Zimmerman is found to be guilty of murder, he will deserve whatever punishment he gets.
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    Mar 27, 2012 8:25 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/?mobile=wp

    This is just disgusting and wrong. I guess if you paint him as a "thug"with lies then and fake pics then I guess its ok to shoot him ?

    oh and this some of the pics our fellow real jock members have posted have been straight from the stormfront forums.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/26/stormfront-deliberately-shows-wrong-photo-of-trayvon-martin-looking-gangsta-image/



    This should not even be a topic of conversation due to the lack of factual evidence. Why are you defending him so much when so little is known about what really happened?
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    Mar 27, 2012 8:44 PM GMT
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    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/?mobile=wp

    This is just disgusting and wrong. I guess if you paint him as a "thug"with lies then and fake pics then I guess its ok to shoot him ?

    oh and this some of the pics our fellow real jock members have posted have been straight from the stormfront forums.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/26/stormfront-deliberately-shows-wrong-photo-of-trayvon-martin-looking-gangsta-image/



    This should not even be a topic of conversation due to the lack of factual evidence. Why are you defending him so much when so little is known about what really happened?


    Because the only people claiming there is "so little evidence" seem to be people who think Zimmerman was justified.
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    Mar 27, 2012 9:01 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said

    Because the only people claiming there is "so little evidence" seem to be people who think Zimmerman was justified.



    Unless I missed it, I don't think I have read a single post here that stated that "Zimmerman was justified" in killing Martin. What I think some of us have done is urged waiting until we know all the facts before a rush to judgment. If this were a black man who shot a white teenager, and the public were rushing to judgement to have the black man arrested -- even when witnesses claimed they saw the teen on top of the black man beating him up prior to the shooting -- wouldn't you want all the facts to come out and give the man the benefit of the doubt?
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    Mar 27, 2012 9:10 PM GMT
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    Because the only people claiming there is "so little evidence" seem to be people who think Zimmerman was justified.



    Unless I missed it, I don't think I have read a single post here that stated that "Zimmerman was justified" in killing Martin. What I think some of us have done is urged waiting until we know all the facts before rush to judgment. If this were a black man who shot a white teenager, and the public were rushing to judgement to have the black man arrested -- even when witnesses claimed they saw the teen on top of the black man beating him up prior to the shooting -- wouldn't you want all the facts to come out and give them man the benefit of the doubt?



    He should have been arrested, end of story. You shoot someone, you go away in cuffs and the cops run a PROPER investigation, not one of those half assed racist ones that this department is known for.
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    Mar 27, 2012 11:15 PM GMT
    Lets not forget that Zimmerman is the son of a judge, so that's probably how he got out of this and his prior incidents.
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    Mar 27, 2012 11:34 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said
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    Because the only people claiming there is "so little evidence" seem to be people who think Zimmerman was justified.



    Unless I missed it, I don't think I have read a single post here that stated that "Zimmerman was justified" in killing Martin. What I think some of us have done is urged waiting until we know all the facts before rush to judgment. If this were a black man who shot a white teenager, and the public were rushing to judgement to have the black man arrested -- even when witnesses claimed they saw the teen on top of the black man beating him up prior to the shooting -- wouldn't you want all the facts to come out and give them man the benefit of the doubt?



    He should have been arrested, end of story. You shoot someone, you go away in cuffs and the cops run a PROPER investigation, not one of those half assed racist ones that this department is known for.

    That's how the system in Mexico works. For example, after an auto accident, everyone goes to jail while the police sort things out. Doesn't work that way in the US. Sorry.
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    Mar 28, 2012 12:00 AM GMT
    Wow, now we have fake pics being manufactured. Amazing. icon_cool.gif
  • conservativej...

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    Mar 28, 2012 12:03 AM GMT
    Damn. And the link did not even bother to show us these alleged fake photos.
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    Mar 28, 2012 12:35 AM GMT
    The smear campaign is tasteless. And of course it's not surprising about the type of audience who is eating it up.