My friend wasnt allowed to donate because he is gay

  • Dbrad3693

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    Mar 28, 2012 1:41 AM GMT
    PERSONAL STORY AND IT PISSED ME OFF ENOUGH TO TELL:

    I was talking to a buddy of mine/future roommate this afternoon. Now I am very proud of this guy because he is only one of a handfull of my friends that regularly donate blood and plasma (i think thats what its called). Anyway so during our converstation he mentioned this really hot guy that stuck the needle in his arm. I jokingly said "Did you get his number?" His reply was "no, i couldnt". I then made fun of him for being to scared to ask a guy for his number, stilling joking around.
    What he then said next is what bothered me, "No I cant get his number because if he knew I was gay they wont take my blood/plasma." He then went on to tell me, "It's because they are afriad of getting someone with AIDS/HIV, and it even asks on the paper, or someone at the desk will even ask what is your sexual orientation."
    I was competely surprised/shocked. I mean, (little background info) me and my buddy both come from very small rural areas. Many of the gays/bis around my community, for example, are very hard to find because there are no fems to be found, and not one wants to come out because some members in the community will turn on you. (its especially worse when you are young). His community is the same way, like a population of about 1,000 residence, most of with is farm land. So it is typical to have some closed minded people, but you would still think they would take your blood to help save lives right?.
    Can they do that? Dont they test the blood anyway before its given to a patient?
  • austex85

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    Mar 28, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
    It's not just your town. It's illegal for men who have had sexual contact with other men to give blood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSM_blood_donor_controversy
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    Mar 28, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
    That's not quite correct.

    You can be gay and give blood in the US as long as you have not had sex with another man at any point in the last 35 years. Your friend could give blood and flirt with the guy as long as he makes it clear that he's a gay virgin.

    It has nothing to do with you guys being from a small town (per se). It's the recommendations from the CDC.
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:02 AM GMT
    austex85 saidIt's not just your town. It's illegal for men who have had sexual contact with other men to give blood. IN THE US!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSM_blood_donor_controversy
    Ohter countries arent so stupid!
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:09 AM GMT
    Dbrad3693 saidCan they do that? Dont they test the blood anyway before its given to a patient?

    Yes, they can, it happened to me. Right after 9/11 I went to donate blood. I was asked questions that included my sexual orientation. I answered honestly.

    The screening stopped, some entries were made into a computer, and I was told my name and social security number had been entered into a national data bank, that would bar me from donating blood in the US for life. I note that I remain HIV negative and have never had an STD in my life, nor any condition that would make my blood unsafe or unusable.

    I rode home, and for first time since coming out I felt somehow unclean about being gay, rejected and discriminated against in a way that hit me very profoundly. I might also note that all blood is screened for HIV, because it must be. There are donors who are poz who don't know they are, and donors with HIV who are straight, who won't be identified in the screening process.

    The Red Cross wants to accept our blood - the US government won't let them. It's a matter of anti-gay politics & discrimination, not a justifiable & defensible medical policy.
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    Honestly, I can't believe that this type of prejudice is still practiced in the US (& Canada too). They should screen all donated blood for STDs (which I'm sure they are doing regardless). It's not like if a man claims he's straight then his blood won't be tested. Why then are they targeting gay men?
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:20 AM GMT
    They did an episode of Degrassi about this... icon_confused.gif
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:34 AM GMT
    Ha I remember filling out the application to donate blood, one of the questions was if I had buttsecks with men, sadly i couldn't lie at the time. Still thought its pretty messed up, but oh well what to do besides lying?
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:36 AM GMT
    Yeah I hear you, I had the same problem once myself.

    Told a friend who flipped a shit and made nasty emails to the Red Cross. They apologized and someone she spoke to said it was utter bullshit but it's the rules and they don't make em. :/
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:37 AM GMT
    This is the equivalent of letting a guy cum in your ass as long as he tells you he's straight. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • chris_dallas

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    Mar 28, 2012 2:45 AM GMT
    I think what is more messed up is that gay men can't be seamen donors

    Do they think we are going to infect the population with our gayness? haha
    I guess it could be for the same reason but it makes me wonder if they can't change the rule about letting gay men donate blood becasue they would then have to let gay men donate seamen

    eugenics much? lol reminds me of the court case tht i cant think of the name of but they decided homosexuals couldnt immigrate to the US becasue they would infect the population

    I think it will be similar to the way we look back and study the civil rights movement in history and think it is rediculous the way ppl acted and having laws against interacial marriage and such
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:48 AM GMT
    Same here in Oz.

    Another thing you may or may not be aware of is the Salvation Army. They will not take cash of an "obviously Homosexual person". Give it a try one day when they come knocking for donations, let it be known to the collector that your gay and they will refuse to talk to you and take your $.

    Cunts
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:55 AM GMT
    Dbrad3693 saidPERSONAL STORY AND IT PISSED ME OFF ENOUGH TO TELL:

    I was talking to a buddy of mine/future roommate this afternoon. Now I am very proud of this guy because he is only one of a handfull of my friends that regularly donate blood and plasma (i think thats what its called). Anyway so during our converstation he mentioned this really hot guy that stuck the needle in his arm. I jokingly said "Did you get his number?" His reply was "no, i couldnt". I then made fun of him for being to scared to ask a guy for his number, stilling joking around.
    What he then said next is what bothered me, "No I cant get his number because if he knew I was gay they wont take my blood/plasma." He then went on to tell me, "It's because they are afriad of getting someone with AIDS/HIV, and it even asks on the paper, or someone at the desk will even ask what is your sexual orientation."
    I was competely surprised/shocked. I mean, (little background info) me and my buddy both come from very small rural areas. Many of the gays/bis around my community, for example, are very hard to find because there are no fems to be found, and not one wants to come out because some members in the community will turn on you. (its especially worse when you are young). His community is the same way, like a population of about 1,000 residence, most of with is farm land. So it is typical to have some closed minded people, but you would still think they would take your blood to help save lives right?.
    Can they do that? Dont they test the blood anyway before its given to a patient?


    This federal law has been around since the Reagan days when there was no reliable test for HIV and innocent folks were dying from blood transfusions. Like so many laws, it needs to be repealed.

    Not so long ago AIDS was a death sentence. Stupid gays forget that.
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:58 AM GMT
    Gay men cannot donate unless they are a virgin (basically) condom or no condom
    People from Africa cannot donate or if you have had sex with people in some parts of Africa because of the HIV/AIDS is very common there.
    If you have blood cancers you can't donate

    I am pretty sure there are a bunch of other reasons (mostly disease/STD related)
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    Mar 28, 2012 2:59 AM GMT
    HIV is pandemic and it is crucial to keep it out of the blood supply.
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    Mar 28, 2012 3:00 AM GMT
    I thought this was common knowledge. There's a whole list of reasons why people can't donate blood.
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    Mar 28, 2012 3:04 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidI thought this was common knowledge. There's a whole list of reasons why people can't donate blood.


    Yeah like if you have had hepatitis after your like twelfth birthday or something like that, or if you have multiple sclerosis, or if you have done drugs (injected with a needle), if you are on steroids etc....
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    Mar 28, 2012 3:05 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidHIV is pandemic and it is crucial to keep it out of the blood supply.



    And you think asking someone if they have sex with men is the best way to do that? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 28, 2012 3:05 AM GMT
    Claystation said
    DudeInNOVA saidI thought this was common knowledge. There's a whole list of reasons why people can't donate blood.


    Yeah like if you have had hepatitis after your like twelfth birthday or something like that, or if you have multiple sclerosis, or if you have done drugs (injected with a needle), if you are on steroids etc....


    They even have height and weight requirements:

    http://www.redcrossblood.org/donating-blood/eligibility-requirements
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    Mar 28, 2012 3:09 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said

    They even have height and weight requirements:

    http://www.redcrossblood.org/donating-blood/eligibility-requirements


    or if from January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any country in the United Kingdom.

    or if you have traveled to Iraq in the last 12 months.

    or if you have spent a long period of time in countries where "mad cow disease" is found.

    I am sure there are more reasons icon_neutral.gif
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    Mar 28, 2012 3:10 AM GMT
    As an aside, I didn't even make it to the questionnaire last time. My iron was too high.

    Wasn't there talk of removing that ban at one point, or am I imagining it?
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    Mar 28, 2012 3:15 AM GMT
    To those being harsh to the OP (just a couple of guys):
    The guy is 19. A lot of youngin's have no clue about the restrictions until they go to donate the first time. They didn't live through the terrible period when this first became necessary, so saying that they've "forgotten" it really doesn't hit the mark.
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    Mar 28, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
    Claystation said{more reasons}


    ...got a tattoo in the past year, depending on the state regulations.

    ...been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (which is weird because they don't know what causes it, but they must think it's transmittable through blood).
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    Mar 28, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
    Rodcet_Nife saidWasn't there talk of removing that ban at one point, or am I imagining it?


    They voted against removing the ban:

    Red CrossThe top priorities of the American Red Cross are the safety of our volunteer blood donors and the ultimate recipients of blood. On June 11, 2010, the Department of Health and Human Services Secretary's Advisory Committee on Blood Safety and Availability voted against recommending a change to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) policy of a lifetime deferral for men who have sex with other men. The FDA is responsible for determining donor eligibility requirements and the Red Cross is required to follow their decisions. However, the Red Cross does support the use of rational, scientifically-based deferral periods that are applied fairly and consistently among donors who engage in similar risk activities. We will continue to work through the AABB (American Association of Blood Banks) to press for donor deferral policies that are fair and consistent and based on scientific evidence, while still protecting patients from potential harm.
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    Mar 28, 2012 3:24 AM GMT
    sweetyork saidHonestly, I can't believe that this type of prejudice is still practiced in the US (& Canada too). They should screen all donated blood for STDs (which I'm sure they are doing regardless). It's not like if a man claims he's straight then his blood won't be tested. Why then are they targeting gay men?


    From what I understand, the way they look at it is, HIV/AIDS is prevalent among gay men (even though not all gay men have it). They just save the time and money from testing blood donated from gay men and just label them all HIV (unless you are a virgin).

    Its dumb I know but people from Africa cannot donate either (gay or straight) because HIV/AIDS is pretty common over there. Also this is the reason why if you have been sexually active with people in Africa then you can't donate either (gay or straight) because they assume you have HIV/AIDS.