Is now the right time for me to be working out?

  • TheBizMan

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    Mar 28, 2012 7:42 AM GMT
    I average about 5 hours of sleep per day. Bad. I sometimes forget to eat because of how busy I am with school. Bad. I don't have the time to come up with a meal plan and even if I did, probably couldn't follow it. Bad. I don't have the funds to afford tons of supplements. Meh, I could get around this if I could find enough time in the day to eat regularly. I have an insanely fast, muscle crippling metabolism that burns at approx. 4000 calories a day on the days that I workout, 3200-3500 cals on off days. This is horrible, and the main factor impacting my gains.

    I workout 3-4 times a week. I lift as hard as I can. I drink protein powder. I eat healthly, albeit irregularly. I take l-arginine/ nitric oxide supplement pills. Despite this, I have lost 9lbs in 2 months of working out... the exact OPPOSITE of what I wanted to do.I weigh a measly 146 lbs now. 146lbs. 146lbs. 146lbs. It's disgusting.

    Should I even bother? Realistically, if I am unable to change my daily routine, should I even be in the gym? Can I hope to accomplish anything? Or should I just wait to a point in life where I can really commit to every aspect of weight gaining. Just be frank
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    Mar 28, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
    I don't know your exact circumstances but to me it sounds like you're kind of making excuses. It shouldn't be that difficult getting necessary protein count + calorie intake. Pack snacks for when you're on the go / in school. I'm a tad confused how you're losing so much weight. Eat more (5-6 meals/snacks a day) and do less cardio? Count your calories for a week, and it will probably be obvious you are at a caloric deficient.

    One thing for sure is that nutrition / rest (sleep) are just as important if not more important than working out. If you workout regularly but don't supply yourself with the necessary protein / calories then you won't see results. Just because you have a protein shake after a workout doesn't equate for good nutrition! Your body needs STATIC protein intake for your muscle to build properly after continuous workouts. This is how you will see best results. And drink WATER! Personally I hate drinking water with meals, but I do push myself to drink water when I'm not eating because then the bland taste doesn't bother me.

    Before working out I use to get by with 4-6 hours of sleep. Now that I workout regularly I easily get myself to sleep 7-8 hours. I'm pretty tired as is, so I can't imagine going lower than that.

    Personally nutrition is not my best forte given I don't eat a lot of meat and I'm a rather pick eater but my normal schedule is.....

    7 AM - Breakfast Shake (Banana / strawberries / whey protein)
    9-10 AM - Morning Snack
    12 - 1 PM - Lunch
    5 PM - Dinner
    8 PM - Workout if it's a workout day!
    9:30 PM - Shake (Banana / strawberries / whey protein) - Casein is better than whey for a night shake but It costs more money.

    I'll probably have a snack around there too in the afternoon / evening. Again I know my nutrition can be better, but in the past 6 months I've gone from 125 lbs to ~142 lbs and have pretty much stayed in the 8-10% BF range. My caloric intake is probably only around 2500 cals but I'm also staying away from cardio given I'm a hard gainer as is... my goal is to gain mass / muscle, I'm not too worried about holding a 6-pack.



  • TheBizMan

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    Mar 28, 2012 9:47 PM GMT
    Not so much excuses rather than timing inconvenients. BTW I completely cut out cardio. As to loosing weight that fast, well I can literally do nothing and loose weight. It has always been like that, so it ony seems logical that adding in the gym will cause even faster weight loss. Thanks for sharing your meal schedule.. only problem is I am in school from 10am-5pm with no breaks.

    I chose poor wording I think. I'm wondering if I should forgo the gym for the time being, and work on bulking up. If I can keep my metabolism from overdrive status I most likely could gain some weight. People have told me in the past that I should really consider gaining weight before I start working out.
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    Mar 28, 2012 10:04 PM GMT
    How are you at school for 7 hours straight with zero time to eat food? Your classes ban you from eating snacks? Eat in between classes?

    You aren't doing cardio, so your weightlifting should not be putting a huge strain on your daily calorie loss. I don't understand how you think your metabolism is in "overdrive". Lift heavy with long breaks (90-120 seconds between sets). The goal would be to use weight that pushes you to failure in 8-12 rep range. Personally the only time my heart rate really goes up is on leg days.

    I'm a bit confused on how you believe if you stop low-intensity weightlifting you'll magically gain weight. And if that is the case, you're just gaining fat. Bulking / cutting is only something for professional bodybuilders.
  • TheBizMan

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    Mar 28, 2012 10:17 PM GMT
    Well I don't know. I'm no fitness expert. I'm here to take advice. And I accept yours. I just can't explain the weight loss. Eating is just really fkin hard to do ok. There, I said it. I'm never really that hungry to be honest, and it's just so easy to forget about it being so busy in school. Granted I know I HAVE to eat, it's just sometimes not feasable. No there really isn't that much time between classes as most of them are connected. I'm in a very intensive schedule as of now. And for that matter, there's nowhere to store the food. We don't have a fridge or anything in our school.

    I know there are no shortcuts to this, nor am I looking for them. If I just can't put on weight at the time..well then I just can't.

    Maybe it's how I'm lifting thats the problem. Poor form? Who knows.
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    Mar 28, 2012 10:32 PM GMT
    You want to gain weight, eat as much as you can. It's that simple...
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    Mar 28, 2012 10:32 PM GMT
    You aren't eating enough calories, that's the problem! I don't think lifting vs. not lifting is your issue. You shouldn't need to "store" food to eat during the day in a fridge. They are called snacks... dry food, preferably healthy. Bring a bag lunch.

    I use to be 110-120 lb range for a long time in my life, and I would actually lose weight because I would sit on the computer too much in my evenings and just not eat. Working out helps because it makes your body crave food so you get adjusted to a higher calorie intake. Focus on 5-6 meals/snacks. Ideally 2 protein shakes a day to supplement your needed protein.

    As a tool of reference a lot of my knowledge that I look up to is Scooby who run has his own website with a lot of good information.... he gives some tips for people who are on the go a lot. Though I personally haven't tried making any of his protein bars... they didn't look too tasty lol.

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/



  • TheBizMan

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    Mar 28, 2012 10:50 PM GMT
    Ok well thanks for the advice, and I'll do what I can. I've decided to continue going to the gym. Even if I can't gain weight at the very minimum I can say I'm being active. Also giving up is lame.
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    Mar 28, 2012 10:54 PM GMT
    Good luck, let us know of your progress icon_smile.gif
  • gwuinsf

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    Mar 29, 2012 4:02 PM GMT
    I'd be interested in hearing more about why you find eating well hard to do instead of why you can't get to the gym. Proper diet and getting a full nights sleep IMO are more important than the time you spend in the gym. I would start there first before worrying about putting enough ours exercising.

    I just finished reading The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf. The stuff about Paleo diet aside, one of the things he talks about is what happens to your body when you don't get a full nights sleep. Your body goes into a stress state and as a reaction releases the hormone cortisol. Cortisol is designed to give your body more energy so it acts to convert protein and fat into blood sugar. So you are probably not gaining weight because you are not eating properly and you are not getting a full nights sleep. Your body is feeding upon itself because you are not well rested.

    I agree with what someone said above. You saying eating well is hard sounds like an excuse. You just have to decide to make the right choices.

  • TheBizMan

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    Mar 29, 2012 9:02 PM GMT
    Eating isn't hard. The AMOUNT I have been recommended to eat is whats hard..somewhere in the stratosphere of 4000+ calories a day. Can you do that? You'd be surprised how much food that is and how full you'd feel through out the day. Your stomach is constantly full, and personally I feel a little sluggish being that full. I can get by eating only once a day, not that I do this often, but sometimes I'm so distracted in school and other things that the day has already passed before I realize I only ate once that day.

    As for not enough sleep, well that purely has to do with the amount of time I spend studying, working, doing homework , etc. Honestly I think that amount of sleep is pretty normal in college as most of my friends don't clock more than 7 hours of sleep at most (rare occurance).

    These may be excuses in your eyes, but to me, I see the as being big inconveniences stopping me from gaining.

    Again to reiterate, I know there is no shortcuts to getting desired results (other than roids) and I'm not looking for any. I just simply wantted to know if any gains are feasable at this point in time. I have come to the conclusion that I will continue to go to the gym regardless of if I can or can't gain weight. I have noticed more definition, but this is probably because I am lossing whatever little fat I did have.
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    Mar 29, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
    Where are you coming from with this claim that you need 4k calories a day to gain weight? I find that very hard to believe with someone your size / weight.

    Based on your Height, Age, weight (155) Livestrong.com claims you need to be eating around 2700 calories to gain 1 pound a week. On a day you lift if you want to counteract the calorie loss it would be around 2900. To maintain your weight you need to be eating 2170 calories a day.

  • TheBizMan

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    Mar 29, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
    S34n05 saidWhere are you coming from with this claim that you need 4k calories a day to gain weight? I find that very hard to believe with someone your size / weight.

    Based on your Height, Age, weight (155) Livestrong.com claims you need to be eating around 2700 calories to gain 1 pound a week. On a day you lift if you want to counteract the calorie loss it would be around 2900. To maintain your weight you need to be eating 2170 calories a day.


    A personal trainer. Size and weight dont necessarily corelate to how fast your metabolism works. So I've been told. A more accurate result would be to seek a nutritionist I'm sure. Fat chance of doing that though.
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    Mar 29, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    It really just sounds like you're making excuses to justify feeling better about not working out. Sorry, just being honest.

    Eat during classes. Most professors allow it. If yours don't find new ones who do, because that's bullshit. If you absolutely cannot find professors who will let you eat during class, eat between classes. Claiming you don't have time between classes is silly. Focus on protein. A handful of nuts during each class or something.

    With your metabolism issue, what you should be doing is having a few mass building shakes a day. Monster Mass or some such. These are super fast to make and super fast to drink. No excuses.
  • TheBizMan

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    Mar 29, 2012 11:34 PM GMT
    Yes yes yes I'm making excuses, that's why I said I will be going to the gym regardless right? The real issue is just that I am not seeing any results and it is pissing me off. Or rather, opposite results. Something has to be wrong. Thanks for the advice everyone it is appreciated
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    Mar 29, 2012 11:37 PM GMT
    TheBizMan saidYes yes yes I'm making excuses, that's why I said I will be going to the gym regardless right? The real issue is just that I am not seeing any results and it is pissing me off. Or rather, opposite results. Something has to be wrong. Thanks for the advice everyone it is appreciated


    I mainly meant excuses about not being able to eat. Nutrition is just as important as actually lifting (as is sleep).