McSame's Nomination may be on the "Skids"-there's a lot of dissgruntled repugs that want to replace him

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    Jul 12, 2008 8:41 PM GMT
    Its turned out that according to Zogby polls and several others McSame is behind Obama from just about every standpoint. Add this to the Evangelicals, just aren't happy with him, he's got enemies in amongst his own repug party, the repugs don't feel he's got a winning platform to run from against Obama and even they concede McSame has obviously "FLIP FLOPPED", even the repugs see that he is seen as a bush clone and because of all this its now appearing that the votes for independentt and lebertarian candidates are coming from the republicans McSame this time, as apposed to their usually hurting the democratic ticket. His age and health is also of concern. Take a look at this article at http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va@aid=9560-------This could be McSames "September Surprise" ------------Frankly I cannot for the life of me Understand the repugs putting up a nominee who is another bush, when bush is historicly so unpopular. Do you think this "talk" will end up turning the old boy out to pasture?
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    Jul 12, 2008 10:26 PM GMT
    There is a high price to jilting your lover at the altar.

    Rejection is a bitch .. Just ask Frank N. Stein (watch to the end lol)

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    Jul 12, 2008 10:35 PM GMT
    I cant get the url to work. Who would they nominate in place of McCain?
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    Jul 12, 2008 10:41 PM GMT
    Caslon5000 saidI cant get the url to work. Who would they nominate in place of McCain?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9560
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    Jul 12, 2008 10:43 PM GMT
    Get Off My Lawn
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    Jul 12, 2008 10:46 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit said
    Caslon5000 saidI cant get the url to work. Who would they nominate in place of McCain?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9560


    Thanks very much, AAF!

    This is what the article says are possible substitutes:

    "The possibilities range from Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell to Michael Bloomberg, Chuck Hagel and Richard Lugar with a host of others as well - all without McCain's baggage."

    I wonder if Colin Powell would win over Obama.
  • SkyMiles

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    Jul 12, 2008 10:52 PM GMT
    I've heard that rumor before, but don't believe it at all. Republicans will unite as they alway do, and really, already have. Have you SEEN McBush's fundraising numbers?! Holy Shiz! (Ok, most of it is the RNC's)

    McCain can certainly win this election with a strategy of staying away from the issues, hoping for another terrorist attack, Florida-style electioneering with voter caging, voter suppression and phone jamming efforts (proven effective in the last two election cycles), and using 527s to 'swiftboat' Obama.

    The media's already on board, largely ignoring McCain's numerous reversals (aka, flip-flops), Steeler-gate, his previous marriage, and his and his chief financial advisor Phil Gramm's assertion that America's current economic, mortgage, employment and credit crisis is all in our minds and that we're all just a "nation of whiners".

    If anything, you might expect McCain to pick an unorthodox VP to make him more palatable to the middle and steal some of Obama's 'change' meme. But, yeah, it's gonna be McCain at the convention.
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    Jul 12, 2008 10:53 PM GMT
    I've never been to a convention. If either party began to have second thoughts about their presumptive nominee, is there a process to choose someone else at the convention? Are the delegates required to vote only for the nominee who won in their own primary?

    I'm trying to understand the process. I don't recall ever reading that at a convention there was a surprise nominee. Has anyone actually been to a convention and can explain exactly how the nominating process works on the floor?
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    Jul 13, 2008 1:53 AM GMT
    McCain isn't doing that bad in the polls. Things look bad, but not insurmountable. Lots of polls at this point put Obama in the same place Kerry was in 2004.

    However, the way the electoral college is looking McCain can't possibly have a similar strategy Bush had. It will be an uphill battle for him and changing the candidate couldn't possibly help unless it was Jesus Christ himself (who is a member of the anti-Masonic Party by the way).
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    Jul 13, 2008 1:57 AM GMT
    It is July 12th not October 12th, a bit too early to get to wound up about polls. Lots of time for either candidate to crash and burn or shoot to the heavens.

    Frankly I don't know why either person would want the job, must be masochists.
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    Jul 13, 2008 1:59 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidMcCain isn't doing that bad in the polls. Things look bad, but not insurmountable. Lots of polls at this point put Obama in the same place Kerry was in 2004.

    However, the way the electoral college is looking McCain can't possibly have a similar strategy Bush had. It will be an uphill battle for him and changing the candidate couldn't possibly help unless it was Jesus Christ himself (who is a member of the anti-Masonic Party by the way).


    The newest Newsweek poll show Obama ahead by only 3% whch is within the margin of error. Do not be fooled. McCain is very much alive in this election and it will take every self professed democrat who can vote to vote in order to keep him from becoming the next president.
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    Jul 13, 2008 2:59 AM GMT
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    Caslon5000 saidI cant get the url to work. Who would they nominate in place of McCain?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9560
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ActiveAndFit, would you mind (or anyone reading this) showing me how to set the URL for things I post so its "clickable" LOL !!! please excuse my lack of tech skills !!! LOL !!!
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    The newest Newsweek poll show Obama ahead by only 3% whch is within the margin of error. Do not be fooled. McCain is very much alive in this election and it will take every self professed democrat who can vote to vote in order to keep him from becoming the next president. [/quote]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(not saying the following to argue the point of whose polls are right)>>>>>>>>BUT!!!! Have you noticed how slanted Newsweek is for McSame, and against Obama? I read from Washington Post, NYTimes, Seattle times, NewsMax(obviously biased), Slate, Yahoo news alerts, CNN, as well as progressive sites, but i think of the more mainstream Mags, Newsweek seems to make it more obvious than most who they are for.
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    Jul 13, 2008 3:29 AM GMT
    kansascityman saidI've never been to a convention. If either party began to have second thoughts about their presumptive nominee, is there a process to choose someone else at the convention? Are the delegates required to vote only for the nominee who won in their own primary?

    I'm trying to understand the process. I don't recall ever reading that at a convention there was a surprise nominee. Has anyone actually been to a convention and can explain exactly how the nominating process works on the floor?


    I attended two conventions as a reporter a long time ago. Primary delegates are pledged for only the first round of votes, so a zillion years ago there were brokered conventions sometimes, because primaries were relatively rare and delegates from the other states were unpledged and largely political appointments from the various big-city machines. They voted the way the political boss told them to, and the bosses made the famous "back-room" deals.

    Nowadays, in each party every state holds either a caucus or a primary, and those delegates are in fact bound on the first round of voting.

    So there is no practical way McCain could be dumped.
    Theoretically, Obama could be, since Hillary has not released her pledged delegates and neither of them still has enough pledged delegates to carry a first-round vote. If the superdelegates were to change their minds, anything could happen---but probably won't.
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    Jul 13, 2008 3:36 AM GMT
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    The newest Newsweek poll show Obama ahead by only 3% whch is within the margin of error. Do not be fooled. McCain is very much alive in this election and it will take every self professed democrat who can vote to vote in order to keep him from becoming the next president.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(not saying the following to argue the point of whose polls are right)>>>>>>>>BUT!!!! Have you noticed how slanted Newsweek is for McSame, and against Obama? I read from Washington Post, NYTimes, Seattle times, NewsMax(obviously biased), Slate, Yahoo news alerts, CNN, as well as progressive sites, but i think of the more mainstream Mags, Newsweek seems to make it more obvious than most who they are for.[/quote]

    You will find that polling is consistent with recent trends in CNN, Rasmussen, and Gallup. In fact, the only poll I could find that gives Obama a lead larger than 5% was done by a Republican firm.

    Of corse, national polls are virtually meaningless compared to state polls and are conducted only because they are very publishable.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 13, 2008 4:08 AM GMT
    I think if any party is going to be regretting the nominee they chose, it very well may be the Democrats. Obama, while all the rage when it comes to giving a rousing speech, may not have what it takes to actually win the White House. I think they may have made a big mistake not giving Hillary the nomination, but only time will tell how all this will play out. My gut tells me that the only way Obama can win this is with Hillary as his V.P.
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    Jul 13, 2008 5:37 AM GMT
    Some delegates are also organizing to oust Obama and nominate Hillary at the Dem convention:

    http://tinyurl.com/6g99fr
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    Jul 13, 2008 6:00 AM GMT
    obscenewish saidSome delegates are also organizing to oust Obama and nominate Hillary at the Dem convention:

    http://tinyurl.com/6g99fr


    If this occurs, the dems will surely lose. I just dont see this happening.
  • GQjock

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    Jul 13, 2008 10:36 AM GMT
    As far as the Republicans with Grampy McSame it's just a bunch of bellyaching
    The grumbling is good because it'll keep some people home on election day but Gramps has it sown up for better or for worse
    He's got the major contributors sown up
    and the political machine is behind him

    The same can be said for Barack
    but the Hilary nutjobs worry me
    How Anyone could go against their own interests in such an obvious way is beyond me
    By making a scene and trying to oust the obvious winner of the primary only helps Gramps
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    Jul 13, 2008 1:46 PM GMT
    obscenewish saidSome delegates are also organizing to oust Obama and nominate Hillary at the Dem convention:

    http://tinyurl.com/6g99fr
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well I'll be damned !!!! the group in the article seem pretty determined to raise issues over an open vote between Obama and Clinton. Well I'll draw comfort from this effort apparently not being nearly as dangerous as what opposition McSame is facing within his party. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MunchingZ--- As for the polls I'm not sure why the writer of the article chose the ones he did, but I'm sure your right that more polls are showing around a 3% lead for Obama. How would you rate Zogby compared to say - Gallop as for professionalism and credibility? As you say though Polls aren't that important. It seems that with whats been pointed out by ObsceneWish and GQJock, that theres definately some battles ahead for both parties. This is going to be interesting to see how all this unfolds at the conventions. What bothers me most about all this is how obviously biased in favor of McSame the larger share of the media is in all this. To a large degree the Repugs are still calling the Media "LIBERAL", to my way of thinking most media has swung right of center.
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    Jul 13, 2008 2:26 PM GMT
    I find Real Clear Politics a good way to keep track of the polling: http://realclearpolitics.com/

    Also a good place to see a variety of opinions from left, right, and center, all in one place.

    Obama's lead should be much greater than it is, considering how dreadful the Republican brand is and how uninspiring their candidate is. This makes me uneasy--the election will probably be close. Do not forget, Rove is advising McCain.

    Michael

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    Jul 13, 2008 2:54 PM GMT
    One reason I think it could still be close is that a good deal of America STILL isn't paying attention yet, but also because I think a lot of people are waiting until the V.P. choices are announced. The V.P. choices seem much more significant this election than they have in years past in my memory, probably due to Obama's inexperience (so his V.P.'s experience will be especially key), and McCain's age (he'll likely be a one term President should he win, so his V.P. should be very Presidential)
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    Jul 13, 2008 4:21 PM GMT
    In the final analysis, I think the idiots in the Christian Taliban wing will support Senator McCain. The perception of Senator Obama being president will be too much for them. We Republicans still remember the disaster Ross Perot brought us.
    My dear Aunt, who is an avid Hillary supporter thinks that Senator Obama will lose because of racism. She is extremely Democrat and has been very astute at predicting election results.
    I can see her point, in a poll, no one wants to admit their racial bias, but in the voting booth, or the decision to even go to the polls will be influenced by this. I think it is a sad commentary and I've seen the underlying racism here in the industrial north and it's ugly, much uglier than what I've witnessed in the south.
    So, there, I've touched on the the third rail of racism.
    What are your thoughts on the influence of racism in the fall election?

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    Jul 13, 2008 4:41 PM GMT
    There is something to be said for the so-called "Bradley effect".

    However.

    Hidden racism v. $4.50/gallon gas prices.

    I don't think the Republicans have a chance.

    Is it unfair to blame the gas prices on the GOP? Probably it is, but that doesn't mean they won't take the heat for it.
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    Jul 15, 2008 9:11 AM GMT
    Why is McCain's health of a concern?? Ronald Reagan became the president at the age of 69.