Dump 'Carte Blanche' support of Israeli Lobby AIPAC or BOMB IRAN per their wishes? What would you do and why you should care?

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    Mar 31, 2012 4:38 AM GMT
    Lets face the real truth, not decide by media hype or whats more popular,

    not what you've heard from your bible stories in Sunday School, or what bible beliefs the Christian Fundi's push their candidates to promote to 'receive their gods blessing',

    not what you've been told by the 'mainstream media',

    not what the Israeli Lobby AIPAC wants you to believe to keep the money flowing to Israel in support of their military protection of the settlement theft of land from Palestinians,




    PAAA---LEASE shed the AIPAC driven IDEAS THAT ANY STATEMENT AGAINST ISRAELI LOBBY OR ISRAELI LEADERSHIP ACTIONS ARE "ANTI SEMITIC" because criticism does not constitute hate, nor a wish for the destruction of Israel.

    WHY IS THIS TOPIC SO IMPORTANT ? Because 'Carte Blanche' backing of Israel due to pressure from the Israeli Lobby has and is costing the US Tax Payer more in blood and treasure than any other issue involving the Middle East where we have been at war and/or at odds with Israels Neighbors for decades. ALL THANKS TO 'CARTE BLANCHE' BACKING OF THE LOBBY, this begs the question what group or groups were more insturmental in pushing us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq than the above ? How has that worked out ? Who is pushing for war with Iran as we speak? Shall we repeat the same mistakes that we haven't even paid for yet ?



    Lets start with George Washingtons warning against taking on and becoming encumbered by partialism with any other country's interests other than our own. Has anyone read those warnings ?

    Is it in the US interests for our leaders to make such statements as "there is no light between us" in regards to our US/Israel relations?.



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    Mar 31, 2012 6:09 AM GMT
    Does open and honest discussion on the costs of and effects of 'Carte Blanche' backing of the Israeli lobby AIPAC depend on its success in shutting down criticism via its use of the "Anti Semitic" charge for any and all criticism ? It sure appears to, in light of how fearful people are to take on the subjects and their associated problems

    Are Americans so preprogramed due to the incessant victim status of Israel that we cannot get past it for open and honest discussion on how the historical victim might have turned into the victimizer due to its lengthy occupation of Palestine in the West Bank ?

    What part does US Government 'Carte Blanche' backing of Israel end up in contributing to the lack of peace in the middle east?

    What part does the Christian Fundi's bible based superstitions play in the 'Carte Blanche' backing of the settlement theft of Palestinians homeland in the West Bank ?

    AIPAC works the halls of congress to lobby at covering this problem up, while its Israeli home grown papers and internet magazines bring up the subject quite frequently. look up the subject on Israels Haaretz News, read about AIPAC's lobbying congressmen regarding the ATF's killing of 9 on the Turkish Flotilla to Gaza. Read about AIPAC's lobbying efforts for legislation and other policies that forwarded war with Iraq and how they are repeating the same actions over Iran. check out how AIPAC lobbied and worked with Jewish Congress woman Leitinen to write legislation barring Obama and the US State Department from having direct peace talks with Iran.

    Shouldn't this AIPAC be considered a foreign entity and be treated as such ? Why not ?

    In whose interests are they serving, Israels or the US ? Posing this last question has brought about the 'Anti Semitic' charge, seams to me AIPAC is enjoying a hands off reaction because of the 'catch 22' they've set up to shut down criticism. Doesn't this seem LUDICROUS when we really think about it?

    How long should we Americans put up with this devestating drag on our Foreign Relations where congressmen, senators, media personel and college professors fear open and honest discussion of these topics of Israeli Lobby 'Carte Blance' backing of Israel is concerned?

    Isn't it time to take into account the negative effects on our American interests that AIPAC has, especially now with their push for yet another war, this one with Iran ?

    To what benefit for American interests do we continue this harmful continuance of the status quo ?


    Can anyone say with a clear conscience that we shouldn't be openly and honestly taking on these subjects and questions ? I believe we do ourselves nor the Israeli's any favors by avoiding this serious problem that so deeply affects world relations. When the US frequently stands alone amongst the world bodies its a sign not of the world being out of sink with Israel and the US, but that we together are out of sink with the world.

    What do you think ?


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    Mar 31, 2012 2:48 PM GMT
    Some Israeli's have a completely different take on this subject, they believe the US Government is scapegoating Israel, using Israel as a cover for its desire to control Middle East Oil.

    So which is it, are US interests being subverted for Israeli Lobby AIPAC interests because of their monetary influence on our American Politicians or are US Government just using the hole situation as a cover to control Middle East Oil Intersts?

    What do you think ?


    Either way this Union at the hip with Israel has been and is now a very costly problem to real US interests and to the Amarican Tax Paying Public.
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    Mar 31, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
    which country has cost the US more ? Israel or Iran ?

    If we dropped backing Israel thats primarily based on our allegience or fear of the Israeli Lobby AIPAC and dropped all animosity toward Iran, what would our country suffer in the vacuume ?

    Wouldn't we be better off and find a lot more peace in our Foreign Relations ?
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    Mar 31, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
    Pouncer saidIf AIPAC or any of the other pro-Israel PACs were to draft a resolution tomorrow declaring that up is down, war is peace, and the sky is green, it would receive 435 votes in the House, and 100 votes in the Senate.

    That's not to say the Israel lobby is the most powerful lobby in America - the arms industry and energy corporations are vastly more powerful (not that this matters, as they generally perceive their interests as converging with Israel's) - but it nonetheless constitutes one of the chief obstacles to meaningful US diplomacy with the rest of the world in this century.

    Indeed, as tokugawa often points out, the last time AIPAC suffered a political defeat in Washington was when they opposed the 1982 AWACS sale to Saudi Arabia, 30 years ago.

    On the use of 'anti-Semitism' as moral blackmail to deter legitimate criticism of Israel, see the standard volume on this topic:

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    Oh but I read that this writer is a self hating Jew due to his confronting the dangersous Status Quo


    Another blow to AIPAC was when Bush number one seriously threatened to cut off Israeli aid over its intransigence re: land grabbing settlements. The Israeli Officials and AIPAC quickly backed down and went along with Bush's request. This kind of show of strength is exactly what Obama should have done over settlements as well as denieing several VETO's AIPAC wanted.
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    Apr 02, 2012 9:22 AM GMT
    Thank you sxydrkhair, AIPAC has to a great degree been successful with its decades long propaganda campaign to cover up the story of who the real victims are regarding the Palestinians here in the US. But US Citizens catching on to reality now that we have the internet to bypass the AIPAC influenced media.

    Its strange to watch the Christian Fundi's back the Israeli Atrocities against Palestinians when doing so is directly against their bible teachings of treating your neighbor as you would want to be treated. Everytime the Palestinians take actions to protect themselves from Israeli aggression in the Settlement theft of their land or etc. the Israeli leadership yells and whines and tries to play the victim. The world in mass is seeing right through their bullshit. So much so that the UN has launched an investigation of Israels Settlements. and of course Israeli leadership is pulling out their victim card again,
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    Apr 03, 2012 11:33 PM GMT
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    RLD saidOh but I read that this writer is a self hating Jew due to his confronting the dangersous Status Quo


    Really? I had no idea! I'm truly sorry - if I'd known he was one of those "Jews" who hate themselves by criticizing Israel I'd never have posted it on this site.

    Seriously though, it would've been even more anti-Semitic if I'd claimed that the despicable "self-hate" that these Jews possess is in fact a loyalty to the decent liberal principles that most Jews have famously lived by through the centuries.

    No, I prefer to think of Jews as a strange sort of people - some of whom have this disease which makes them start hating themselves like complete weirdos.

    RLD saidAnother blow to AIPAC was when Bush number one seriously threatened to cut off Israeli aid over its intransigence re: land grabbing settlements. The Israeli Officials and AIPAC quickly backed down and went along with Bush's request. This kind of show of strength is exactly what Obama should have done over settlements as well as denieing several VETO's AIPAC wanted.


    Which brings us back to square one:
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    Guess which presidents since the 1970's repeatedly put down the Israeli Lobby push to always get their way ?


    The republican 'god' Reagan and followed by the first Bush who told Israel if it didn't back down from a land theft settlement Issue that he would have their 3 billion dollar aid cut off, Needless to say, Israel had a quick change of heart and AIPAC shut down its propaganda campaigns out of fear of the loss of that money.

    Question is, who will stand up to them now as they again push for sending our boys to war and spending our tax dollars because of their trumped up paranoia whilst playing the victim. When in actuality Israel and the US has threatened Iran many times more than the reverse.

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