Obese People and the Motive for Obesity - What Is It?

  • Graffix

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    Mar 31, 2012 8:17 PM GMT
    Much to my dismay I see the health of too many Americans compromised by their unnecessary morbid obesity. I moved from WI to AZ recently expecting that the hot climate of the Valley would effectively limit the number of people who choose to be obese compared WI, one of the fattest states in the US. However I still see a great number of people who are a least as big around as they are tall waddling about slowly with great difficulty. I see enormous people riding store-provided electric vehicles while shopping because the store is too big for them to walk presumably. And I hear those who choose to walk in the stores wheezing and winded, stopping to catch their breath before they make the next long trek from isle 11 to isle 12. How can so many people choose such a lifestyle?

    The glandular excuse lost traction decades ago. The growth of the obese populatio during my life experience is clearly a matter of choice. There's no denying the existence of long lines at the supermarket populated with enormous people tending carts filled with numerous bottles of sugary soda, frozen pizza, frozen high fat entrees, fried chips, bags of candy, boxes of snack cakes and on and on. You name it and it's in their cart!

    So before the easily offended and typically self-righteous among you brand me a "hater" for pointing out this blindingly obvious truth let me say this - I am genuinely concerned for the well being of these people. I want them to live healthy lives and enjoy the mobility that God/Nature/The Universe intended. Our ability to store energy in the form of body fat was developed as a hedge against starvation, nothing more. What motivates these people to be morbidly obese. And by being politely silent do we in fact encourage the increase in health robbing, life threatening morbid obesity?
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    Mar 31, 2012 10:23 PM GMT
    There are conditions where people are born with a "fat" disorder. So some of the people you have seen could have a disorder (I believe there are more than one disorder, I forgot what they are called, but go to www.webmd.com and they have a lot of useful information).

    However, like how you said, there are people who just don't eat right nor care and this can be due to stress in their lives and etc. people just need motivation to help themselves. About 2 years ago, I became very stressed and I gained unnecessary weight and it wasn't until things calmed down that I realized I was I'm bad shape. So, I worked out and after dedication and a proper diet, I lost that weight and gained more muscle.

    Ad be careful how you post because there are going to be a lot of haters on this soon. Because you say that you are concerned with the well being of others but you completely disregard that statement by your two paragraphs of criticizing people you see in the grocery store. Maybe you wanted to vent your frustration about this "issue" on here?
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    Mar 31, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
    Forget the last sentence, that was random.
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    Mar 31, 2012 11:29 PM GMT
    Graffix saidObese People and the Motive for Obesity - What Is It?
    Food tastes too good to put away.
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    Apr 01, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
    I agree with your thoughts here. I've observed obese people out and about and in stores. Let's take the market...........ever notice a thin person's food choices? Vegetables, fruit, good, natural foods. No surprises. Contrast that with a typical fat person's choices. The kinds of foods you mentioned, all processed, fat foods - truly heaping helpings of the worst foods in the store. Think I'm just generalizing? Try your own observations next time you're in a market. See what you see when checking out the carts of the thin vs. the fat among us.
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    Apr 01, 2012 1:05 AM GMT
    The stores are full of preprocessed, sugar infused foods that don't help things. It shouldn't take 40 ingredients to make a pizza.
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    Apr 01, 2012 1:19 AM GMT
    princeofnash saidThe stores are full of preprocessed, sugar infused foods that don't help things. It shouldn't take 40 ingredients to make a pizza.


    this!
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    Apr 01, 2012 1:33 AM GMT
    RoadsterRacer87 said
    princeofnash saidThe stores are full of preprocessed, sugar infused foods that don't help things. It shouldn't take 40 ingredients to make a pizza.


    this!


    But the store isn't forcing people to purchase said items. I realize healthier food is more expensive.. but it's not significant enough to sacrifice your life. Common sense helps...

    Carb choice... Chips or Fruit.. hmmm...
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    Apr 01, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
    buckled said
    RoadsterRacer87 said
    princeofnash saidThe stores are full of preprocessed, sugar infused foods that don't help things. It shouldn't take 40 ingredients to make a pizza.


    this!


    But the store isn't forcing people to purchase said items. I realize healthier food is more expensive.. but it's not significant enough to sacrifice your life. Common sense helps...

    Carb choice... Chips or Fruit.. hmmm...


    this too!

    in my city, there's an epidemic of obesity among certain demographics that's perpetuated by the reliance on fast food and cheap frozen dinners from wal mart. I'm sure there've been studies to discover exactly what perpetuates the cycle but a lot of it comes down to parents who don't set good examples for their kids.
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    Apr 01, 2012 1:52 AM GMT
    buckled said
    RoadsterRacer87 said
    princeofnash saidThe stores are full of preprocessed, sugar infused foods that don't help things. It shouldn't take 40 ingredients to make a pizza.


    this!


    But the store isn't forcing people to purchase said items. I realize healthier food is more expensive.. but it's not significant enough to sacrifice your life. Common sense helps...

    Carb choice... Chips or Fruit.. hmmm...



    If they were smart and went to the dollar store to buy their cigarettes, they'd have more money for healthy food.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/family-dollar-store-cigarettes_n_1388018.html?ref=topbar&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
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    Apr 01, 2012 1:52 AM GMT
    I can't help but thinking that there is something psychological in all of this. In my limited experience, obesity is linked to binge eating, and that in turn to an array of negative feelings: loneliness, lack of self-worth, sense of inadequacy, anxiety about the future, and such.
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    Apr 01, 2012 1:53 AM GMT
    It can also be a simple matter of habit, and being disempowered when it comes to dietary intake. A lot of people have bought into the idea that cooking healthy food is: difficult; tasteless; boring; time-consuming. I have to admit that there have been periods in my life where I've fallen into this trap (see my fat pic).

    Then there's comfort eating. Another trap that people fall into: food filling some other unmet need in their life. If you haven't fallen into this patter, feel lucky; it's habit forming, and can be as tough to change as fighting an addiction for some people.
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    Apr 01, 2012 1:55 AM GMT
    intensity69 saidIt can also be a simple matter of habit, and being disempowered when it comes to dietary intake. A lot of people have bought into the idea that cooking healthy food is: difficult; tasteless; boring; time-consuming. I have to admit that there have been periods in my life where I've fallen into this trap (see my fat pic).

    Then there's comfort eating. Another trap that people fall into: food filling some other unmet need in their life. If you haven't fallen into this patter, feel lucky; it's habit forming, and can be as tough to change as fighting an addiction for some people.


    i love comfort food (come on, i'm from New Orleans) but the trick is to make it a treat. I have a "cheat day" or "cheat treat" each week (the former being a day where i can eat whatever, the latter being a "treat" food that isn't completely horrible for me)
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    Apr 01, 2012 1:58 AM GMT
    themachine saidI can't help but thinking that there is something psychological in all of this. In my limited experience, obesity is linked to binge eating, and that in turn to an array of negative feelings: loneliness, lack of self-worth, sense of inadequacy, anxiety about the future, and such.
    There's definitely some truth to that.

    I've gained around 10 lbs over the past couple months due those exact feelings (nomadic job, and currently in a shitty location).
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    Apr 01, 2012 1:59 AM GMT
    The obesity cocktail - mix equal parts of:

    low self esteem
    depression
    lack of education on nutrition
    convenience foods/highly processed foods
    culture
    addiction
    lack of exercise
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    Apr 01, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
    I think obese people have something against super sexy guys; and want to put as least effort into being alive as they can, so fit people can wonder how they got that way to begin with! Not really; but how much motive can someone have to be fat? Seems like a lot of lame mindless reactive people doing simply cause it can be done, to me.
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    Apr 01, 2012 2:14 AM GMT
    I think there's two sides to most stories. You are right in saying that a lot of obesity is simply due to making horrendous food choices (& definitely a complete lack of physical exercise). But, it must also be true that there's a psychological component to obesity. No one relishes being obese/fat. Depression & comfort-eating have a proven link.

    I may look lean, but I've struggled with over-eating. I agonize every moment over a box of cookie or bag of chips (that I didn't buy, but is in the cupboards regardless); then after binging, I spend the rest of the time hating myself. I'm sure that I'm using food to fill some gaping whole in my life, but knowing this doesn't help.

    I think if you are really concerned, then reach out. Help your obese friend or family-member by offering to: 1) work-out with them; or 2) take them out for a healthy meal. Don't preach, be their friend.
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    Apr 01, 2012 2:28 AM GMT
    I think all good points noted so far, but I also blame the US Dept. of Education and our school systems who are in bed with food and beverage companies to increasing obesity in this country.

    While budgets of our school system are being decreased, schools are now forced to increase revenues, one of them is to seek sponsors to balance their budgets...not surprising in the cafeteria you will now see advertisements of Pepsi, Coke, etc. as well as Pizza Hut, you named it. Some young folks at an early age are by inundated with bad food choices which carry into adult hood. So, we have to start early in the process of providing healthy foods in our school systems and also in good nutriton courses as well as physical education. The same goes to healthy choices in our vending machines.
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    Apr 01, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
    Being overweight and diabetic, I think about this a lot. It is characteristic of diabetics to overeat and part of that is caused by a mechanism that does not work. We should feel full after eating, but do not. I am sure there is a psychological factor, too. As a kid, I was ill and thin. After I got well the family was glad to feed me right into fatness. Still, I got a solid diet with lots of beans, greens, fruit, and veggies galore. Believe me, it is not a choice to be overweight. I don't use as much as two pounds of sugar in a year. I avoid junk food, for the most part. What little bread I do eat is whole wheat and high fiber. I prefer roasted or broiled meat and fish and hardly ever fry anything. Apples, pears, bananas, oranges and all of that are very common around here.

    The big downfall for me is exercise. Mix decades of a desk job with a good dose of depression and it is hard to get outside. For so long I was used to going to work in the morning and not getting home untail dark that sitting has become my worst habit.

    If I can just maintain and maybe lose a pound or two, I feel like I have made a little progress, but believe me guys, it is not a choice and it isn't as easy to deal with as you might think.
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    Apr 01, 2012 2:57 AM GMT
    Maybe Obese people don't know they're obese. There should be Obesity Police who just go around arresting Obese people. I know you can't make someone do something, but you can at least make them more aware of Reality!
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    Apr 01, 2012 3:04 AM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidI agree with your thoughts here. I've observed obese people out and about and in stores. Let's take the market...........ever notice a thin person's food choices? Vegetables, fruit, good, natural foods. No surprises. Contrast that with a typical fat person's choices. The kinds of foods you mentioned, all processed, fat foods - truly heaping helpings of the worst foods in the store. Think I'm just generalizing? Try your own observations next time you're in a market. See what you see when checking out the carts of the thin vs. the fat among us.


    I do this at the checkout when people in front and behind me have their groceries on the conveyer belt. It's saddest when it's mom with kids and and the bulk of what they're buying is ice cream, pop tarts, whole milk, hot dogs, packets of Keebler cookies or Oreos.
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    Apr 01, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidI agree with your thoughts here. I've observed obese people out and about and in stores. Let's take the market...........ever notice a thin person's food choices? Vegetables, fruit, good, natural foods. No surprises. Contrast that with a typical fat person's choices. The kinds of foods you mentioned, all processed, fat foods - truly heaping helpings of the worst foods in the store. Think I'm just generalizing? Try your own observations next time you're in a market. See what you see when checking out the carts of the thin vs. the fat among us.


    I do this at the checkout when people in front and behind me have their groceries on the conveyer belt. It's saddest when it's mom with kids and and the bulk of what they're buying is ice cream, pop tarts, whole milk, hot dogs, packets of Keebler cookies or Oreos.


    i agree with everything except the whole milk. If you eat an otherwise healthy diet whole milk is fine imo. But combined with the other things that many overworked and frustrated parents give their kids to stuff their mouths i agree its just more unnecessary Sat Fat.
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:06 AM GMT
    I used to be on the borderline of being overweight about a year ago. I believe the reason was due to my inactivity along with depression, lack of confidence, and the stress in my life. I was at a very difficult stage in my life especially coming from doing two sports a year beforehand to being a complete couch potato who was fixating on where he was going to school icon_evil.gif. There were also extra things on top of that which were making me fall back despite still doing a sport. icon_neutral.gif

    For some reason, one day I had an epiphany icon_eek.gif. I realized how bad I was making myself look and feel. After that day, I committed to limiting my portions, changing my diet, and working out (even more). After that commitment I have seen a night and day difference. icon_biggrin.gif

    The other day, I tried going back to eating something at Five Guys, and I couldn't do it. I only ate a little bit and after that, I had a really bad stomach ache and that feeling that you know you ate a lot of crap. I have never had that feeling from Five Guys before. I know that this change in me has both physically and mentally helped me because I finally gained more confidence in myself and in my looks. Sorry for the long soliloquy, but I figured this example can be beneficial to the thread. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:08 AM GMT
    themachine saidI can't help but thinking that there is something psychological in all of this. In my limited experience, obesity is linked to binge eating, and that in turn to an array of negative feelings: loneliness, lack of self-worth, sense of inadequacy, anxiety about the future, and such.
    there is
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:13 AM GMT
    i think it's not one reason and not one solution. and i think that it's not even right to make a judgement.

    besides unusual problems it's mostly just about how much metabolism you have. but also it's about if you understand about calories and how it works. and then of course there just is the situation like what kind of food you can afford and what amount of time you have for getting and eating food.

    so since the reasons are different you can have one answer. eat different or do more cardio or get help with your psychalogical.

    and then there is the whole thing about what is too fat. there are people who really like being fat and there are people who like people who are fat. i mostly like really buff guys but some of my friends think the guys i think are hot are too big cause they like the twink type more. and actually, i am kind of interested in the really huge people who get on the news for being like unable to move for years in their house. i mean i don't want to fuck them but it does kind of get me hot in a weird way so i can imagine that some of thems like to be fat cause they think it's good looking.

    i think mostly that everyone needs to be happy that we don't all like the same kind of guys and that we don't all look the same.