Media and Obama give huge attention to Travyon's death, but what about all the other killing incidents going on?

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    Mar 31, 2012 10:40 PM GMT
    Does anyone else find it strange that the tragic death of Trayvon by Zimmerman gets all this attention from the Media and even Obama himself talking about how his son would have looked like Trayvon etc etc. So what about all of the other incidents going on with grieving family's of unarmed victims who have died?

    Meanwhile, Shawn Tyson is found guilty of murdering two unarmed british tourists and Obama doesn't even bother to respond to 3 letters sent to him because they have no "political value":

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121855/James-Kouzaris-James-Coopers-friends-criticise-Obama-lack-compassion.html

    Then ironically, after Bobby Rush gave his defiantly illegal speech in congress wearing a hoodie, this happens:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/30/Hoodie-Wearing-Gunmen-Kill-1-Wound-5-in-Rushs-Chicago-District

    Then 7 black kids beat up a hispanic kid:

    http://www.katu.com/news/national/7-California-boys-arrested-in-attack-on-teen-145286335.html

    Can we get a little balance here? Why does someone's death, depending on their race, always have to be immediately "THE ISSUE" and focus as opposed to whether or not the alleged perpetrator is guilty of wrongful murder or manslaughter of another human being?
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    Mar 31, 2012 10:53 PM GMT
    Mock -

    You're making an ass out of yourself with this post and you're also making yourself look like a racist. Let me quickly address each of these instances.


    Shawn Tyson was found guilty and is serving a life sentence. George Zimmerman was released and given back his gun. There is no equivalency.

    Rep. Rush was responding to the ridiculous claims that Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie in the rain while being followed by an armed vigilante somehow made Trayvon suspicious. Trayvon Martin was not shooting people. Also, the guilty men were not captured by police and then released without an investigation. Again, no equivalency.

    With the California incident, 7 or the 10 suspects, have been arrested and are being charge. The other three are being sought. The police didn't come to the scene and then let them all go because the Latino kid was "acting suspicious" because he was "walking while Latino." So, you're three for three.

    Finally, the president only commented on the Martin case after it had been in the news for weeks and was becoming a huge issue in this country.

    Stop trying to dismiss or make false equivalencies to the fact that Trayvon Martin was stalked and murdered by an armed vigilante, left to sit in a morgue for three days by a police department that left the vigilante go, and it is only following the enormous public outcry over the obvious injustice involved here that a new investigation has been opened.

    That's the real issue here and why it has captured so many people's attention, not that Trayvon Martin was black. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 31, 2012 11:03 PM GMT
    And this asshole has the nerve to call me racist?
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    Mar 31, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidAnd this asshole has the nerve to call me racist?



    Well...If The Shoe Fits! icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 31, 2012 11:11 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidDoes anyone else find it strange that the tragic death of Trayvon by Zimmerman gets all this attention from the Media and even Obama himself talking about how his son would have looked like Trayvon etc etc. So what about all of the other incidents going on with grieving family's of unarmed victims who have died?

    Meanwhile, Shawn Tyson is found guilty of murdering two unarmed british tourists and Obama doesn't even bother to respond to 3 letters sent to him because they have no "political value":

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121855/James-Kouzaris-James-Coopers-friends-criticise-Obama-lack-compassion.html

    Then ironically, after Bobby Rush gave his defiantly illegal speech in congress wearing a hoodie, this happens:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/30/Hoodie-Wearing-Gunmen-Kill-1-Wound-5-in-Rushs-Chicago-District

    Then 7 black kids beat up a hispanic kid:

    http://www.katu.com/news/national/7-California-boys-arrested-in-attack-on-teen-145286335.html

    Can we get a little balance here? Why does someone's death, depending on their race, always have to be immediately "THE ISSUE"
    and focus as opposed to whether or not the alleged perpetrator is guilty of wrongful murder or manslaughter of another human being?


    Mocktwinke,

    That is a good question. When are we going to get a little balance from you? Why does someone's death, depending on their race (and I would add the race of the perpetrator) immediately become THE ISSUE with you?
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    Apr 01, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    Well, you know, it's not often Back Racists have something to shout about. DoomsDay would just spend his evenings tending bar if he didn't have the Martin case to rant about.
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    Apr 01, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidMock -

    You're making an ass out of yourself with this post and you're also making yourself look like a racist. Let me quickly address each of these instances.


    Shawn Tyson was found guilty and is serving a life sentence. George Zimmerman was released and given back his gun. There is no equivalency.

    Rep. Rush was responding to the ridiculous claims that Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie in the rain while being followed by an armed vigilante somehow made Trayvon suspicious. Trayvon Martin was not shooting people. Also, the guilty men were not captured by police and then released without an investigation. Again, no equivalency.

    With the California incident, 7 or the 10 suspects, have been arrested and are being charge. The other three are being sought. The police didn't come to the scene and then let them all go because the Latino kid was "acting suspicious" because he was "walking while Latino." So, you're three for three.

    Finally, the president only commented on the Martin case after it had been in the news for weeks and was becoming a huge issue in this country.

    Stop trying to dismiss or make false equivalencies to the fact that Trayvon Martin was stalked and murdered by an armed vigilante, left to sit in a morgue for three days by a police department that left the vigilante go, and it is only following the enormous public outcry over the obvious injustice involved here that a new investigation has been opened.

    That's the real issue here and why it has captured so many people's attention, not that Trayvon Martin was black. icon_rolleyes.gif


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    This. What I do find strange are mocktwinkie's (and his cohorts') constant attempts to play down the Trayvon/Zimmerman case.
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    Apr 01, 2012 3:33 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidDoes anyone else find it strange that the tragic death of Trayvon by Zimmerman gets all this attention from the Media and even Obama himself talking about how his son would have looked like Trayvon etc etc. So what about all of the other incidents going on with grieving family's of unarmed victims who have died?


    As we've seen in the responses so far, you will probably not be able to get an intelligent response to your question, Rather, you will be attacked and called a racist for even bringing up the question.

    The mistake you have made is even supposing that liberal hens are capable of answering such a question. They are not.


    At least they tried to answer his 'question', which is more than you bothered doing.
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    Apr 01, 2012 3:43 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    'Does anyone else find it strange that the tragic death of Trayvon by Zimmerman gets all this attention from the Media and even Obama himself talking about how his son would have looked like Trayvon etc etc. So what about all of the other incidents going on with grieving family's of unarmed victims who have died?'

    Mock , this is a little ironic, you know. Remember when, in Arizona, about 100 extremely poor people who were on a wait list for an organ transplant were dumped for the sake of the budget to be left to die?
    I asked you about them and you casually said, "What about them?"

    So, just as you are selective, so are others. icon_wink.gif

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    Apr 01, 2012 3:50 PM GMT
    mizzouguy10 saidOh wait, people were ARRESTED in your story?

    And Zimmerman WASN'T arrested?

    stupid thread. non-story /thread



    He's got a point, Mock.

    In all the examples you gave the perps were arrested.

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    Apr 01, 2012 3:53 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidMock -

    You're making an ass out of yourself with this post and you're also making yourself look like a racist. Let me quickly address each of these instances.


    Shawn Tyson was found guilty and is serving a life sentence. George Zimmerman was released and given back his gun. There is no equivalency.

    Rep. Rush was responding to the ridiculous claims that Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie in the rain while being followed by an armed vigilante somehow made Trayvon suspicious. Trayvon Martin was not shooting people. Also, the guilty men were not captured by police and then released without an investigation. Again, no equivalency.

    With the California incident, 7 or the 10 suspects, have been arrested and are being charge. The other three are being sought. The police didn't come to the scene and then let them all go because the Latino kid was "acting suspicious" because he was "walking while Latino." So, you're three for three.

    Finally, the president only commented on the Martin case after it had been in the news for weeks and was becoming a huge issue in this country.

    Stop trying to dismiss or make false equivalencies to the fact that Trayvon Martin was stalked and murdered by an armed vigilante, left to sit in a morgue for three days by a police department that left the vigilante go, and it is only following the enormous public outcry over the obvious injustice involved here that a new investigation has been opened.

    That's the real issue here and why it has captured so many people's attention, not that Trayvon Martin was black. icon_rolleyes.gif


    What? Are you for real? Do you even realize how absurd you sound? George Zimmerman hasn't been FOUND guilty yet, so why should he be serving a life sentence? Don't fool yourself, this Trayvon incident has not become popular because all sides just want to find justice. This case has turned into something far more than a 28yr old "vigilante" shooting and killing an unarmed kid wearing a hoodie, it has become a racial crusade for all those who want to make it one. There is a reason why other incidents with black on black or white on white or latino on latino crimes are not as popular as this one, even though they are happening as we speak, and it's because those crimes can't be racialized but this one can be!

    We don't have all the facts yet in this case and some individuals such as yourself want to see Zimmerman dead or rotting in jail before we know exactly what happened. Even more ludicrous is that this whole case has been exemplified as a classic example of evil white people racially profiling blacks wearing hoodies -- when the guy in question isn't even freaking white! How stupid and asinine can this whole thing really get?

    I suppose I shouldn't be surprised though that you completely missed the point.
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    Apr 01, 2012 3:55 PM GMT
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    mizzouguy10 saidOh wait, people were ARRESTED in your story?

    And Zimmerman WASN'T arrested?

    stupid thread. non-story /thread



    He's got a point, Mock.

    In all the examples you gave the perps were arrested.



    I'm puzzled how you can find a valid point in that neanderthal reasoning. How is the "need" for someone to be arrested a barometer for justice being had? That's got to be the stupidest mob mentality I've ever heard. The reason why the Trayvon case is so popular and the others aren't is because it can be RACIALIZED -- not because it stands out as a more egregious incident than any of the others.
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    Apr 01, 2012 3:58 PM GMT
    mizzouguy10 said
    mocktwinkie said
    meninlove said
    mizzouguy10 saidOh wait, people were ARRESTED in your story?

    And Zimmerman WASN'T arrested?

    stupid thread. non-story /thread



    He's got a point, Mock.

    In all the examples you gave the perps were arrested.



    I'm puzzled how you can find a valid point in that neanderthal reasoning. How is the "need" for someone to be arrested a barometer for justice being had? That's got to be the stupidest mob mentality I've ever heard. The reason why the Trayvon case is so popular and the others aren't is because it can be RACIALIZED -- not because it stands out as a more egregious incident than any of the others.


    There's a racial element only because he wasn't arrested, was the only one armed, and was the one pursuing but claimed self-defense.

    Connecting the dots must be hard for you.


    He hasn't been arrested because, OH WAIT, HE HASN'T BEEN FOUND GUILTY YET! D'oh! The reason there is an investigation is because we simply don't have all the facts yet as to what happened. His guilt or innocence is still being determined.

    Wanting him arrested before all the facts surface is, like I said, pure mob mentality.

    *bangs his head against wall*
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:12 PM GMT
    There has to be probable cause for someone to be arrested. Because of the law that is in place in Florida (stand your ground) he cannot just be arrested until more knowledge about the case is known and until someone in charge determines probable cause.
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:13 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said How is the "need" for someone to be arrested a barometer for justice being had?


    It is clear from your responses that you have absolutely no knowledge of the investigative process. It is almost unheard of for a murder/manslaughter suspect not to be arrested at a very early stage in an investigation. This allows the police to prevent the suspect from interfering with evidence and witnesses. The reason Zimmerman was not arrested is that the State Attorney ordered that he should not be, because the State Attorney believed, on the incomplete initial facts, that Zimmerman acted in self-defence. The lack of an arrest in this case is therefore very much a barometer for justice being had. That is why the State Attorney has been suspended, the Chief of Police has been forced to step down and the Feds have now been called in to investigate the case.
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidHe hasn't been arrested because, OH WAIT, HE HASN'T BEEN FOUND GUILTY YET!

    You really think that in our legal system the verdict comes before the arrest?

    The real reason right-wingers are trying to smear this boy is that they are attempting to direct the conversation away from the real issue, which is the complete insanity of the "Kill at Will" laws (which they like to call "Stand Your Ground", but let's face it, Zimmerman wasn't standing his ground, he was chasing the kid down.)

    It has everything to do with the weak-kneed and cowardly way that Republicans are in thrall to the NRA.


    Nobody is trying to "smear" anyone. Those of us who don't have mob mentality fueled by racial tensions want more information and evidence as to what happened.
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:17 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH saidZimmerman wasn't standing his ground, he was chasing the kid down.



    Yet another example of how words have been twisted, and images created, to come up with a scenario that quite possibly is not at all how the scenario really played out. "Chasing the kid down" paints a very specific image that, in reality, may not be exactly the way it was. This is like the irresponsible and ludicrous statement by Florida Democratic congresswoman Rep. Frederica Wilson saying in an interview that she is "trying to calm things down" while at the same time doing the exact opposite by making this case about race without all the facts, calling for the arrest of George Zimmerman and then spewing such heated rhetoric in saying that "Trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog and shot in the street". It is imagery like this that is not necessarily at all factual that has led to the circus-like atmosphere
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    JPtheBITCH saidZimmerman wasn't standing his ground, he was chasing the kid down.



    Yet another example of how words have been twisted, and images created, to come up with a scenario that quite possibly is not at all how the scenario really played out. "Chasing the kid down" paints a very specific image that, in reality, may not be exactly the way it was. This is like the irresponsible and ludicrous statement by Florida Democratic congresswoman Rep. Frederica Wilson saying in an interview that she is "trying to calm things down" while at the same time doing the exact opposite by making this case about race without all the facts, calling for the arrest of George Zimmerman and then spewing such heated rhetoric in saying that "Trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog and shot in the street". It is imagery like this that is not necessarily at all factual that has led to the circus-like atmosphere


    We do know that Zimmerman followed Trayvon, while armed with a handgun, against the advice of the 911 operator. These known facts alone should have made Zimmerman a murder suspect. The fact he was not arrested as a suspect is the problem here.
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:23 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie said How is the "need" for someone to be arrested a barometer for justice being had?


    It is clear from your responses that you have absolutely no knowledge of the investigative process. It is almost unheard of for a murder/manslaughter suspect not to be arrested at a very early stage in an investigation. This allows the police to prevent the suspect from interfering with evidence and witnesses. The reason Zimmerman was not arrested is that the State Attorney ordered that he should not be, because the State Attorney believed, on the incomplete initial facts, that Zimmerman acted in self-defence. The lack of an arrest in this case is therefore very much a barometer for justice being had. That is why the State Attorney has been suspended, the Chief of Police has been forced to step down and the Feds have now been called in to investigate the case.


    Nonsense. He will be arrested when probable cause is ascertained -- we are waiting for the evidence of what happened to emerge. There is conflicting data. The current "stand your ground" law in Florida was used as the basis for not yet arresting Zimmerman. Meanwhile mobs of racially motivated people just want to see an arrest. There is also this strong idea floating around that the reason Zimmerman HASN'T been arrested is BECAUSE he isn't black. This whole incident has been hugely racialized. It's not just about seeing justice for many folks, it's about WANTING someone to be guilty before we know for sure.
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    JPtheBITCH saidZimmerman wasn't standing his ground, he was chasing the kid down.



    Yet another example of how words have been twisted, and images created, to come up with a scenario that quite possibly is not at all how the scenario really played out. "Chasing the kid down" paints a very specific image that, in reality, may not be exactly the way it was. This is like the irresponsible and ludicrous statement by Florida Democratic congresswoman Rep. Frederica Wilson saying in an interview that she is "trying to calm things down" while at the same time doing the exact opposite by making this case about race without all the facts, calling for the arrest of George Zimmerman and then spewing such heated rhetoric in saying that "Trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog and shot in the street". It is imagery like this that is not necessarily at all factual that has led to the circus-like atmosphere


    We do know that Zimmerman followed Trayvon, while armed with a handgun, against the advice of the 911 operator. These known facts alone should have made Zimmerman a murder suspect.


    Just because he followed him because he was deemed suspicious does not mean that he was in fact the initial aggressor that led to the actual gunshot.

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    mocktwinkie said How is the "need" for someone to be arrested a barometer for justice being had?

    It is clear from your responses that you have absolutely no knowledge of the investigative process. It is almost unheard of for a murder/manslaughter suspect not to be arrested at a very early stage in an investigation.
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    The lack of an arrest in this case is therefore very much a barometer for justice being had. ... Feds have now been called in to investigate the case.

    Your pompous ignorance continues unabated. There is a Florida prosecutor handling the case. If and when the prosecutor determines an arrest is appropriate, it will occur. She probably has more knowledge of the facts, our laws, and the investigative process than a self-styled know-it-all from the UK. The Feds get involved if there is a question of Federal laws being violated. It is not superseding the state's investigative process. Did you know that, or do you like to spew more garbage?
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:37 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidHe hasn't been arrested because, OH WAIT, HE HASN'T BEEN FOUND GUILTY YET!

    You really think that in our legal system the verdict comes before the arrest?

    The real reason right-wingers are trying to smear this boy is that they are attempting to direct the conversation away from the real issue, which is the complete insanity of the "Kill at Will" laws (which they like to call "Stand Your Ground", but let's face it, Zimmerman wasn't standing his ground, he was chasing the kid down.)



    THIS.
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:37 PM GMT
    So why was there so much coverage of Natalie Holloway's death? Why was there so much coverage of Casey Anthony? Why was there so much coverage for Elizabeth Smart?

    Why was there no mention in the media about the disappearance of Mitrice Richardson? She walked out of the police station, and disappeared for ten months in 2010.

    "The now-25-year-old lesbian Los Angeles woman who disappeared ten months ago, reports the Los Angeles Times. The former beauty queen vanished after she was released from a Malibu sheriff's station and her remains were discovered less than two miles away."

    Her parents ended up suing the LA Sheriff Department.

    "Her parents have been sharply critical of the sheriff's department's handling of their daughter’s case, starting with her release from custody around midnight without car, purse or cellphone. Richardson went missing after her release."


    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/08/mitrice-richardson-settlement.html

    Btw, I agree with Christian.
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    mocktwinkie said How is the "need" for someone to be arrested a barometer for justice being had?

    It is clear from your responses that you have absolutely no knowledge of the investigative process. It is almost unheard of for a murder/manslaughter suspect not to be arrested at a very early stage in an investigation.
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    The lack of an arrest in this case is therefore very much a barometer for justice being had. ... Feds have now been called in to investigate the case.

    Your pompous ignorance continues unabated. There is a Florida prosecutor handling the case. If and when the prosecutor determines an arrest is appropriate, it will occur. She probably has more knowledge of the facts, our laws, and the investigative process than a self-styled know-it-all from the UK. The Feds get involved if there is a question of Federal laws being violated. It is not superseding the state's investigative process. Did you know that, or do you like to spew more garbage?


    THIS
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    Apr 01, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    We do know that Zimmerman followed Trayvon, while armed with a handgun, against the advice of the 911 operator. These known facts alone should have made Zimmerman a murder suspect. The fact he was not arrested as a suspect is the problem here.



    Actually, the PROBLEM is the "Stand Your Ground" law which is what made it problematic for police to actually arrest Zimmerman without the evidence they needed. Its not like the police released Zimmerman at the scene. They did bring him to the station, gather information, and made the determination whether or not the had the necessary evidence under Florida law to arrest him. They did not at that time. They clearly STILL do not have enough information necessary to warrant a "Murder" arrest. That said, you can bet that -- ESPECIALLY with the attention focused around the country with this investigation that also involves the Feds -- if/when the evidence points to "murder" Zimmerman will be arrested accordingly.