Republicans retreat on gay marriage

  • metta

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    Apr 01, 2012 9:21 AM GMT

    Republicans retreat on gay marriage


    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74661.html
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    Apr 01, 2012 11:24 AM GMT
    Read between the lines of what they're saying. They're not retreating so much as keeping their mouths shut with an election approaching, at least at the national level. Don't forget, the Republican House is still providing millions to defend DOMA in the courts when the Obama Administration refused.

    And State Republicans are getting even more anti-gay. The trick the GOP has learned is to fight gay rights at the State level, and then Congress needn't get directly involved. And with anti-gay hate groups and churches willing to pour millions into anti-gay State legislation, Republicans are getting what they want. Look what happened in California and Maine, and all the other States that have passed Constitutional Amendments against same-sex marriage, and Republicans continue to press for more in 2012.

    No, the Republicans aren't retreating on this issue, just suddenly being quieter about it on Capitol Hill, to blunt valid Democratic charges that the present Congress has been obsessed with social conservatism, while not focusing on the economic help they promised in 2010.
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    Apr 01, 2012 12:26 PM GMT
    What is important is that change is occurring - even if it is mostly at a national level.

    States will always tend to reflect a more regional slant of opinion toward policy.

    Texas Republicans will take much longer to win away from the NOM crowd than it did for the handful of NY republicans who are on the right side of history when they helped pass SSM for NY.
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    Apr 01, 2012 8:08 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    Republicans retreat on gay marriage


    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74661.html


    It was just 2 years ago (2010) that 97.5% of Congressional Republicans voted to keep DADT. Not the same issue, but DADT was opposed by 75% of Americans, where just over 50% of Americans favor same-sex marriage.

    Whatever shift is more about strategy than ideology. I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect not.
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    Apr 01, 2012 8:10 PM GMT
    Yeah I saw this the other day.
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    Apr 01, 2012 8:11 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidRead between the lines of what they're saying. They're not retreating so much as keeping their mouths shut with an election approaching, at least at the national level. Don't forget, the Republican House is still providing millions to defend DOMA in the courts when the Obama Administration refused.

    And State Republicans are getting even more anti-gay. The trick the GOP has learned is to fight gay rights at the State level, and then Congress needn't get directly involved. And with anti-gay hate groups and churches willing to pour millions into anti-gay State legislation, Republicans are getting what they want. Look what happened in California and Maine, and all the other States that have passed Constitutional Amendments against same-sex marriage, and Republicans continue to press for more in 2012.

    No, the Republicans aren't retreating on this issue, just suddenly being quieter about it on Capitol Hill, to blunt valid Democratic charges that the present Congress has been obsessed with social conservatism, while not focusing on the economic help they promised in 2010.


    The federal government is already fighting gay rights more than states, many of which have already accepted gay marriage. So don't go worrying about the states -- many of them are already on the right side of history.
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    Apr 01, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    It's an awful thing to say and I'm part of the generation that is so often on the wrong side of gay rights, but the fight for gay marriage, gay adoption, protection on the job and in housing, etc, is probably going to be a lot easier in the future when some older people die off. Although, the shift in attitudes on gay marriage from only as far back as 2008 cannot alone be explained by old people dying off.
  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 02, 2012 3:18 AM GMT
    The title of the article is completely misleading. If you read the Politico story, no one is "retreating." In fact, not one Republican is quoted as saying anything positive about gay Americans, nor have they changed their anti-gay positions. The Republicans have mitigated some of their most bigoted language because it's a turn-off for many voters. What incredible progress. icon_rolleyes.gif
    This is one more example of how far out of step with mainstream America the Republican party has become. They have devolved into a regional party of religious extremists, and this issue is another loser for them.
    The best part of this article is the statistic that 70% of Americans age18-34 are in favor of same sex marriage.
    Bearing that in mind, the Republicans have little choice but to change their bigoted ways or continue to lose elections.
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    Apr 02, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidThe title of the article is completely misleading. If you read the Politico story, no one is "retreating." In fact, not one Republican is quoted as saying anything positive about gay Americans, nor have they changed their anti-gay positions. The Republicans have mitigated some of their most bigoted language because it's a turn-off for many voters. What incredible progress. icon_rolleyes.gif
    This is one more example of how far out of step with mainstream America the Republican party has become. They have devolved into a regional party of religious extremists, and this issue is another loser for them.
    The best part of this article is the statistic that 70% of Americans age18-34 are in favor of same sex marriage.
    Bearing that in mind, the Republicans have little choice but to change their bigoted ways or continue to lose elections.

    Exactly what I said above. This is a tactical change by Republicans, not an ideological change. US Republicans hate gays as much as ever. Maybe even more so, as a Presidential election approaches, when they need to energize their bigoted base, per the Karl Rove anti-gay strategy of the last several elections.