Black Former Marine shot to death by police

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    Apr 01, 2012 7:22 PM GMT
    http://globalgrind.com/news/kenneth-chamberlain-sr-shot-police-during-medical-alert-video









    Are black men safe in America?
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    Apr 01, 2012 7:27 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidAre black men safe in America?

    Probably not. Leave while you can. And go quickly. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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    Apr 01, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidAre black men safe in America?

    Probably not. Leave while you can.


    Wow, your bigotry prevents you from feeling any kind of sorry for a black persons death?
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    Apr 01, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    socalfitness said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidAre black men safe in America?

    Probably not. Leave while you can.


    Wow, your bigotry prevents you from feeling any kind of sorry for a black persons death?

    No fool. My attitude concerns your automatically making everything immediately about race. Again, suggest you get out.
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    Apr 01, 2012 7:44 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://globalgrind.com/news/kenneth-chamberlain-sr-shot-police-during-medical-alert-video









    Are black men safe in America?


    You would think in this day and age they would be!
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    Apr 01, 2012 10:51 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    socalfitness said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidAre black men safe in America?

    Probably not. Leave while you can.


    Wow, your bigotry prevents you from feeling any kind of sorry for a black persons death?

    No fool. My attitude concerns your automatically making everything immediately about race. Again, suggest you get out.


    Thanks for pretty much saying "I'm to stupid to watch the video/read the article. Because the race issue was clearly addressed.
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    Apr 01, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://globalgrind.com/news/kenneth-chamberlain-sr-shot-police-during-medical-alert-video









    Are black men safe in America?


    Yet another one of your race-baiting threads. Okay, I will bite. Black men in general are safe in America, however among those who are killed in America, the vast majority are killed by other black men.
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    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://globalgrind.com/news/kenneth-chamberlain-sr-shot-police-during-medical-alert-video









    Are black men safe in America?


    Yet another one of your race-baiting threads. Okay, I will bite. Black men in general are safe in America, however among those who are killed in America, the vast majority are killed by other black men.


    And yet the vast majority of black men who are minding their own business always end up being killed by overzealous cops/cop wannabes, for example Sean Bell.
  • nanidesukedo

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    Apr 01, 2012 11:14 PM GMT
    No offense, Doomsday - I think most of us here recognize that racism does exist, but a large majority of your posts are focused around a single topic...

    Where I'm from, the amount of violent crime (including murders) committed by African Americans against white people "minding their own business" is rather large.... A large number of these crimes may involve racism. Hell, I would venture to say that many crimes committed against people who are "minding their own business" are not "random" acts and are targeted at individuals for one reason or another - if you are gonna commit a crime against an individual who didn't directly piss you off, commit it against someone you have a bone to pick with - be it due to gender, race, socioeconomic status, sexual orientation (real or perceived) etc..

    I just think the pendulum of racism swings both ways and should be recognized thusly...it exists strongly in all populations - majority and minority alike.

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    nanidesukedo saidNo offense, Doomsday - I think most of us here recognize that racism does exist, but a large majority of your posts are focused around a single topic...

    Where I'm from, the amount of violent crime (including murders) committed by African Americans against white people "minding their own business" is rather large.... A large number of these crimes may involve racism. Hell, I would venture to say that many crimes committed against people who are "minding their own business" are not "random" acts and are targeted at individuals for one reason or another - if you are gonna commit a crime against an individual who didn't directly piss you off, commit it against someone you have a bone to pick with - be it due to gender, race, socioeconomic status, sexual orientation (real or perceived) etc..

    I just think the pendulum of racism swings both ways and should be recognized thusly...it exists strongly in all populations - majority and minority alike.



    You are looking at it in a very one dimensional view, the vast majority of injustice towards blacks are often swept under the rug or played off, especially when it involves cops, the two officers who fired 50 shots at Sean Bell got off with only being fired, and cops continue to racially profile black and latino men. That and white Americans have no idea what systemic bigotry and many don't care to know since it benefits them so greatly.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/nyregion/fighting-stop-and-frisk-tactic-but-hitting-racial-divide.html?_r=2&ref=searchandseizure
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    Apr 01, 2012 11:24 PM GMT
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    nanidesukedo saidWhere I'm from, the amount of violent crime (including murders) committed by African Americans against white people "minding their own business" is rather large.... A large number of these crimes may involve racism. Hell, I would venture to say that many crimes committed against people who are "minding their own business" are not "random" acts and are targeted at individuals for one reason or another - if you are gonna commit a crime against an individual who didn't directly piss you off, commit it against someone you have a bone to pick with - be it due to gender, race, socioeconomic status, sexual orientation (real or perceived) etc..

    I just think the pendulum of racism swings both ways and should be recognized thusly...it exists strongly in all populations - majority and minority alike.



    You clearly suffer from "white privilege."



    The point I'm trying to get at is thus: In this case, race probably was an issue - at least as far as the murder. To claim that, every time something occurs in the case that the court of public opinion disagrees with, is a matter of race and racism sets a dangerous precedent. It begs for a race war when there needn't be one.

    The matter obviously opens up large wounds in our nation's psyche as far as justice and race matters are concerned...Rightfully so in the boy's death. However, continuing to wage a race war or complain about every step of how it is handled (federal review of the prosecutor, really???!!!??? she's a known hard ass!) is going to have the opposite effect...as are the calls to violence made by those such as Spike Lee or whatever racial group it was that put out a bounty... No need to draw more lines and wage a war when there needn't be one. I think there will be a large amount of forming backlash if this continues as, like I said, I think most people will agree with the racial issues and undertones in as far as the murder and (MAYBE...just MAYBE Zimmerman's lack of arrest)...Further than that...people are going to start getting skeptical.
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    Apr 01, 2012 11:26 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    nanidesukedo saidWhere I'm from, the amount of violent crime (including murders) committed by African Americans against white people "minding their own business" is rather large.... A large number of these crimes may involve racism. Hell, I would venture to say that many crimes committed against people who are "minding their own business" are not "random" acts and are targeted at individuals for one reason or another - if you are gonna commit a crime against an individual who didn't directly piss you off, commit it against someone you have a bone to pick with - be it due to gender, race, socioeconomic status, sexual orientation (real or perceived) etc..

    I just think the pendulum of racism swings both ways and should be recognized thusly...it exists strongly in all populations - majority and minority alike.



    You clearly suffer from "white privilege."



    The point I'm trying to get at is thus: In this case, race probably was an issue - at least as far as the murder. To claim that, every time something occurs in the case that the court of public opinion disagrees with, is a matter of race and racism sets a dangerous precedent. It begs for a race war when there needn't be one.


    Race probably was? Do you understand how the nations increasingly dangerous view of black men affects all black men on a daily basis? You and I could be doing the same thing, and yet I will be viewed as "high aggressive" because our society continues to paint black men as irrational and hyper violent.
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    Apr 01, 2012 11:29 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    nanidesukedo said
    southbeach1500 said
    nanidesukedo saidWhere I'm from, the amount of violent crime (including murders) committed by African Americans against white people "minding their own business" is rather large.... A large number of these crimes may involve racism. Hell, I would venture to say that many crimes committed against people who are "minding their own business" are not "random" acts and are targeted at individuals for one reason or another - if you are gonna commit a crime against an individual who didn't directly piss you off, commit it against someone you have a bone to pick with - be it due to gender, race, socioeconomic status, sexual orientation (real or perceived) etc..

    I just think the pendulum of racism swings both ways and should be recognized thusly...it exists strongly in all populations - majority and minority alike.



    You clearly suffer from "white privilege."



    The point I'm trying to get at is thus: In this case, race probably was an issue - at least as far as the murder. To claim that, every time something occurs in the case that the court of public opinion disagrees with, is a matter of race and racism sets a dangerous precedent. It begs for a race war when there needn't be one.


    Race probably was? Do you understand how the nations increasingly dangerous view of black men affects all black men on a daily basis? You and I could be doing the same thing, and yet I will be viewed as "high aggressive" because our society continues to paint black men as irrational and hyper violent.


    Where I come from, unfortunately, it's statistically true. Black on white crime and black on black crime is much higher than white on black crime and white on white crime (probably skewed by many things, just including the statistical majority of african americans in my city's demographics)...

    Also, people hear anecdotal stories and take them to heart...Whenever I get an email from my school about a crime that has occurred on campus, etc..
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    NY TIMESSenator Kevin S. Parker, a Brooklyn Democrat, recalled several occasions when, as a high school student walking home in Flatbush, he was stopped by the police, patted down, told to empty his pockets, produce identification and divulge his destination.

    Assemblyman Karim Camara, a Democrat from Brooklyn, remembers greeting a woman who was walking down a street in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, when, he said, officers in plain clothes approached him and demanded to know who he was, where he was going and whether he had any guns or drugs.

    And when Senator Adriano Espaillat, a Manhattan Democrat, was just 14, he said, detectives threw him against a wall and patted him down in Washington Heights, in Manhattan, when he was on his way to buy a Dominican newspaper for his father.
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    Apr 01, 2012 11:33 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/nyregion/fighting-stop-and-frisk-tactic-but-hitting-racial-divide.html?_r=2&ref=searchandseizure

    NY TIMESSenator Kevin S. Parker, a Brooklyn Democrat, recalled several occasions when, as a high school student walking home in Flatbush, he was stopped by the police, patted down, told to empty his pockets, produce identification and divulge his destination.

    Assemblyman Karim Camara, a Democrat from Brooklyn, remembers greeting a woman who was walking down a street in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, when, he said, officers in plain clothes approached him and demanded to know who he was, where he was going and whether he had any guns or drugs.

    And when Senator Adriano Espaillat, a Manhattan Democrat, was just 14, he said, detectives threw him against a wall and patted him down in Washington Heights, in Manhattan, when he was on his way to buy a Dominican newspaper for his father.


    I ain't gonna deny it exists - I'm from the south and grew up in a city with an active KKK, I know it exists... I'm just saying the pendulum swings both ways and drawing lines in the sand for a proverbial race war ain't a good or pretty idea....Up to a certain point, the large majority of people agree with you (I think it's fair to say that most white people will say that Trayvon's death was racially motivated at least in part). I think once you keep taking it a step further and another step further - you are losing more and more people as they become skeptical at the further continuance of the argument to outlying affairs.

    It riles them up, too...People don't like being called racist. Sometimes, the shoes does fit, but often times it doesn't...Inappropriate usage of the phrase is only going to rile up sides and anger those that were initially in support..
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    Apr 01, 2012 11:40 PM GMT
    why does anyone respond to this guys threads. The answer is always the same.

    Its sad and I have compassion for him.
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    Apr 01, 2012 11:49 PM GMT
    musclmed saidwhy does anyone respond to this guys threads. The answer is always the same...





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    Apr 02, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    Not good. Here too, I'd love to see the autopsy report. My guess would be the man had a blood glucose level of around 35 mg/dl.
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    This sounds like a really tragic story...
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    Apr 02, 2012 1:37 AM GMT
    nanidesukedo said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    nanidesukedo said
    southbeach1500 said
    nanidesukedo saidWhere I'm from, the amount of violent crime (including murders) committed by African Americans against white people "minding their own business" is rather large.... A large number of these crimes may involve racism. Hell, I would venture to say that many crimes committed against people who are "minding their own business" are not "random" acts and are targeted at individuals for one reason or another - if you are gonna commit a crime against an individual who didn't directly piss you off, commit it against someone you have a bone to pick with - be it due to gender, race, socioeconomic status, sexual orientation (real or perceived) etc..

    I just think the pendulum of racism swings both ways and should be recognized thusly...it exists strongly in all populations - majority and minority alike.



    You clearly suffer from "white privilege."



    The point I'm trying to get at is thus: In this case, race probably was an issue - at least as far as the murder. To claim that, every time something occurs in the case that the court of public opinion disagrees with, is a matter of race and racism sets a dangerous precedent. It begs for a race war when there needn't be one.


    Race probably was? Do you understand how the nations increasingly dangerous view of black men affects all black men on a daily basis? You and I could be doing the same thing, and yet I will be viewed as "high aggressive" because our society continues to paint black men as irrational and hyper violent.


    Where I come from, unfortunately, it's statistically true. Black on white crime and black on black crime is much higher than white on black crime and white on white crime (probably skewed by many things, just including the statistical majority of african americans in my city's demographics)...

    Also, people hear anecdotal stories and take them to heart...Whenever I get an email from my school about a crime that has occurred on campus, etc..


    I have to say I sincerely doubt the black on white crimes is higher than black on white or white on white. That would be an extreme statistical deviation from decades of study on crime and race, which has always shown that the vast majority of crime is intra-racial, not inter-racial.

    Of course, it's possible that Richmond is unusual and I'd be willing to look at data if it's available, but - in general - even in a racially diverse place like Brooklyn, the racial patterns of crime are pretty consistent.

    In terms of DDA, he does raise the issue of race pretty regularly but he's often countering a small but vocal group on here who either pretend racism doesn't exist, or assert that raising the issue of race is somehow racist (which, of course, is both ludicrous and a popular right-wing meme).
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    Apr 02, 2012 3:07 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    nanidesukedo said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    nanidesukedo said
    southbeach1500 said
    nanidesukedo saidWhere I'm from, the amount of violent crime (including murders) committed by African Americans against white people "minding their own business" is rather large.... A large number of these crimes may involve racism. Hell, I would venture to say that many crimes committed against people who are "minding their own business" are not "random" acts and are targeted at individuals for one reason or another - if you are gonna commit a crime against an individual who didn't directly piss you off, commit it against someone you have a bone to pick with - be it due to gender, race, socioeconomic status, sexual orientation (real or perceived) etc..

    I just think the pendulum of racism swings both ways and should be recognized thusly...it exists strongly in all populations - majority and minority alike.



    You clearly suffer from "white privilege."



    The point I'm trying to get at is thus: In this case, race probably was an issue - at least as far as the murder. To claim that, every time something occurs in the case that the court of public opinion disagrees with, is a matter of race and racism sets a dangerous precedent. It begs for a race war when there needn't be one.


    Race probably was? Do you understand how the nations increasingly dangerous view of black men affects all black men on a daily basis? You and I could be doing the same thing, and yet I will be viewed as "high aggressive" because our society continues to paint black men as irrational and hyper violent.


    Where I come from, unfortunately, it's statistically true. Black on white crime and black on black crime is much higher than white on black crime and white on white crime (probably skewed by many things, just including the statistical majority of african americans in my city's demographics)...

    Also, people hear anecdotal stories and take them to heart...Whenever I get an email from my school about a crime that has occurred on campus, etc..


    I have to say I sincerely doubt the black on white crimes is higher than black on white or white on white. That would be an extreme statistical deviation from decades of study on crime and race, which has always shown that the vast majority of crime is intra-racial, not inter-racial.

    Of course, it's possible that Richmond is unusual and I'd be willing to look at data if it's available, but - in general - even in a racially diverse place like Brooklyn, the racial patterns of crime are pretty consistent.

    In terms of DDA, he does raise the issue of race pretty regularly but he's often countering a small but vocal group on here who either pretend racism doesn't exist, or assert that raising the issue of race is somehow racist (which, of course, is both ludicrous and a popular right-wing meme).


    I should go back and specify when I said black on black and black on white crime being higher than white on black and white on white...I meant if you add the two together. I don't know what the numbers for each individual are, I just know that crime by african americans is higher in Richmond, but, I also stated that it's likely probable also to be contributed to by the demographics of the area.
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    Apr 02, 2012 3:37 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    I have to say I sincerely doubt the black on white crimes is higher than black on white or white on white. That would be an extreme statistical deviation from decades of study on crime and race, which has always shown that the vast majority of crime is intra-racial, not inter-racial.


    Did you make a typo here and mean to say you doubt "black on black" crime is higher than "black on white" or "White on White"? Regardless, it is a pretty well known statistic that the majority of blacks killed in shootings are killed by other blacks...in fact, it's not even close.
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    Apr 02, 2012 3:47 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    I have to say I sincerely doubt the black on white crimes is higher than black on white or white on white. That would be an extreme statistical deviation from decades of study on crime and race, which has always shown that the vast majority of crime is intra-racial, not inter-racial.


    Did you make a typo here and mean to say you doubt "black on black" crime is higher than "black on white" or "White on White"? Regardless, it is a pretty well known statistic that the majority of blacks killed in shootings are killed by other blacks...in fact, it's not even close.


    Yes. Typo. Thanks for pointing it out.