Declaring Obamacare Unconstiutional Would Explode The National Debt

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    Apr 03, 2012 8:45 PM GMT
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    Which would be yet another negative result caused by stacking the SCOTUS with partisan activist right-wing justices.
  • creature

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    Apr 04, 2012 12:11 AM GMT
    RickRick91 saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/03/gao-obamacare-national-debt_n_1399895.html?icid=hp_front_top_art

    Which would be yet another negative result caused by stacking the SCOTUS with partisan activist right-wing justices.


    Even though the judges shouldn't make their decision based on this predicted outcome, I hope the majority votes for keeping the mandate so we don't have to deal with this increase in debt from a repeal.
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    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/03/gao-obamacare-national-debt_n_1399895.html?icid=hp_front_top_art

    Which would be yet another negative result caused by stacking the SCOTUS with partisan activist right-wing justices.


    So.... if it is unconstitutional, it should stand because of this claim?


    creature said

    Even though the judges shouldn't make their decision based on this predicted outcome, I hope the majority votes for keeping the mandate so we don't have to deal with this increase in debt from a repeal.


    And what else would it be OK with you for the Federal government to force you to purchase?


    I wish it would force you to by a tall glass of STFU.
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    Apr 04, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/03/gao-obamacare-national-debt_n_1399895.html?icid=hp_front_top_art

    Which would be yet another negative result caused by stacking the SCOTUS with partisan activist right-wing justices.


    So.... if it is unconstitutional, it should stand because of this claim?


    creature said

    Even though the judges shouldn't make their decision based on this predicted outcome, I hope the majority votes for keeping the mandate so we don't have to deal with this increase in debt from a repeal.


    And what else would it be OK with you for the Federal government to force you to purchase?


    It doesn't force you to purchase anything.
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    Apr 04, 2012 2:58 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/03/gao-obamacare-national-debt_n_1399895.html?icid=hp_front_top_art

    Which would be yet another negative result caused by stacking the SCOTUS with partisan activist right-wing justices.


    So.... if it is unconstitutional, it should stand because of this claim?


    creature said

    Even though the judges shouldn't make their decision based on this predicted outcome, I hope the majority votes for keeping the mandate so we don't have to deal with this increase in debt from a repeal.


    And what else would it be OK with you for the Federal government to force you to purchase?


    It doesn't force you to purchase anything.


    If you don't you will be punished.


    I don't think of medicare and social security taxes as punishment. Years from now, should the law remain in place, I'm sure they won't view it as extremely as you do.
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    Apr 04, 2012 3:01 AM GMT
    GAO studies have to be looked at in the context of assumptions. For Obamacare, they were following the law which provided 10 years input stream and 6 years of benefits to skew the long-term results.

    The assumptions if the law were repealed assume certain cost containment measures NOT put in place:

    ...Medicare spending is based on the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services Office of the Actuary’s (CMS Actuary) alternative projections that assume reductions in Medicare physician rates do not occur as scheduled under current law and that certain cost- containment mechanisms intended to slow the growth of health care cost are not sustained over the long term....
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    Apr 04, 2012 3:14 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/03/gao-obamacare-national-debt_n_1399895.html?icid=hp_front_top_art

    Which would be yet another negative result caused by stacking the SCOTUS with partisan activist right-wing justices.


    So.... if it is unconstitutional, it should stand because of this claim?


    creature said

    Even though the judges shouldn't make their decision based on this predicted outcome, I hope the majority votes for keeping the mandate so we don't have to deal with this increase in debt from a repeal.


    And what else would it be OK with you for the Federal government to force you to purchase?


    It doesn't force you to purchase anything.


    If you don't you will be punished.


    I don't think of medicare and social security taxes as punishment. Years from now, should the law remain in place, I'm sure they won't view it as extremely as you do.


    Obamacare is not medicare or social security. Those are taxes collected by the Federal government for a benefit paid out by the Federal government.

    Obamacare's mandate is that you purchase health insurance from a private company or you will be punished.

    I am sincerely asking you, do you not see the difference?


    I know that it is not medicare nor social security. But I still don't see the tax collected as punishment.
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    Apr 04, 2012 4:54 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/03/gao-obamacare-national-debt_n_1399895.html?icid=hp_front_top_art

    Which would be yet another negative result caused by stacking the SCOTUS with partisan activist right-wing justices.


    So.... if it is unconstitutional, it should stand because of this claim?


    creature said

    Even though the judges shouldn't make their decision based on this predicted outcome, I hope the majority votes for keeping the mandate so we don't have to deal with this increase in debt from a repeal.


    And what else would it be OK with you for the Federal government to force you to purchase?


    It doesn't force you to purchase anything.


    If you don't you will be punished.


    I don't think of medicare and social security taxes as punishment. Years from now, should the law remain in place, I'm sure they won't view it as extremely as you do.


    Obamacare is not medicare or social security. Those are taxes collected by the Federal government for a benefit paid out by the Federal government.

    Obamacare's mandate is that you purchase health insurance from a private company or you will be punished.

    I am sincerely asking you, do you not see the difference?







    So what you're saying is that you prefer the SOCIALIST method of taxing the people for health care that will be provided by THE GOVERNMENT rather than the free market method of forcing citizens to rely on private companies for their health care?

    LMAO!

    SINCE WHEN?

  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 04, 2012 6:07 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/03/gao-obamacare-national-debt_n_1399895.html?icid=hp_front_top_art

    Which would be yet another negative result caused by stacking the SCOTUS with partisan activist right-wing justices.


    So.... if it is unconstitutional, it should stand because of this claim?


    creature said

    Even though the judges shouldn't make their decision based on this predicted outcome, I hope the majority votes for keeping the mandate so we don't have to deal with this increase in debt from a repeal.


    And what else would it be OK with you for the Federal government to force you to purchase?


    The government already forces us to purchase bombs, tanks, highways, airports, medicine for the elderly, and millions of other things.
    Everything the government "purchases" is actually being purchased by taxpayers -- who have no choice about whether to pay taxes or not.
    The idea that the government "forcing you to buy something" is somehow new is another fiction generated by the right-wing propaganda machine.

    If right-wing Obama-haters get to opt out of paying for health care reform, there is a long list of things I want to stop paying for, too (starting with corporate welfare and our bloated military.) After all, it's unconstitutional to force anyone to buy anything, right?

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    Apr 04, 2012 1:59 PM GMT
    [quote]So.... if it is unconstitutional, it should stand because of this claim?[/quote]

    Why not? It would not be the first law that has been deemed not consistent with the Constitution yet still stands because of "the good of the people".
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    Apr 04, 2012 2:04 PM GMT
    creature said
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/03/gao-obamacare-national-debt_n_1399895.html?icid=hp_front_top_art

    Which would be yet another negative result caused by stacking the SCOTUS with partisan activist right-wing justices.


    So.... if it is unconstitutional, it should stand because of this claim?


    creature said

    Even though the judges shouldn't make their decision based on this predicted outcome, I hope the majority votes for keeping the mandate so we don't have to deal with this increase in debt from a repeal.


    And what else would it be OK with you for the Federal government to force you to purchase?


    It doesn't force you to purchase anything.


    If you don't you will be punished.


    I don't think of medicare and social security taxes as punishment. Years from now, should the law remain in place, I'm sure they won't view it as extremely as you do.


    Obamacare is not medicare or social security. Those are taxes collected by the Federal government for a benefit paid out by the Federal government.

    Obamacare's mandate is that you purchase health insurance from a private company or you will be punished.

    I am sincerely asking you, do you not see the difference?


    I know that it is not medicare nor social security. But I still don't see the tax collected as punishment.


    Good then, maybe you won't mind paying for mine?
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    Apr 04, 2012 2:29 PM GMT
    "Shut up!" he explained.
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    Apr 04, 2012 2:41 PM GMT

    Hmmmmm...of course it could a tax and a penalty, but that would mean taking a middle-ground perspective.

  • DalTX

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    Apr 04, 2012 4:42 PM GMT
    The GOP was for the mandate before they were against it.
    Actually, it was their idea.

    Today's GOP would rather have the taxpayers foot the bill for the
    uninsured. So much for personal responsibility and smaller government.
    What a pathetic joke they've become.
  • GQjock

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    Apr 04, 2012 5:39 PM GMT
    So What ......... LOL

    Sounds like it came from the republican nominees mouth itself
    So What .... If the health insurance mandate was a republican idea in response to Clinton's choice in healthcare

    So What i...... If Mitt Romney put it into place in Massachussetts

    So What ....... If its working like a charm in the State where THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE instituted OBAMACARE on a large scale

    So What...... Nyahh..... ! icon_biggrin.gif