Student Sues To Wear 'Jesus Is Not A Homophobe' Shirt

  • metta

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    Apr 04, 2012 5:25 PM GMT

    Student Sues To Wear 'Jesus Is Not A Homophobe' Shirt

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/cincinnatiwlwt-18191085/student-sues-to-wear-jesus-is-not-a-homophobe-shirt-28823305.html


    http://www.wlwt.com/video/30828006/detail.html


    Poll on left side of page (scroll down)
    http://www.wlwt.com/index.html
  • MisterT

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    Apr 04, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    I voted, I think he should be allowed to wear it. I don't understand how the school thinks it's sexual in nature though, what an asshole. Just trying to make excuses for being prejudiced
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Apr 04, 2012 6:09 PM GMT
    MisterT saidI voted, I think he should be allowed to wear it. I don't understand how the school thinks it's sexual in nature though, what an asshole. Just trying to make excuses for being prejudiced


    +1 here and I voted as well.
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    Apr 04, 2012 6:27 PM GMT
    It's not sexual, but it is religious. I would have thought the school would have disallowed it for religious reasons.
    So far the poll results:

    Choice Votes Percentage
    Yes 767 54%
    No 625 44%
    Not sure 36 3%
    Thanks for participating!


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    Apr 04, 2012 7:00 PM GMT
    This is why K-12 school students should be required to wear uniforms.

    There is plenty of time outside the school day kids can display their personal causes on their apparel. No! we have to waste taxpayers' money on lawyers all because this twit needs to make a statement. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lambda Legal put him up to this (great way to raise donations).

    We are graduating legions of idiots witnessed by how US students lag behind the rest of the industrialized world in math, science, etc. and this is the crap we are worried about? On two separate ocassions in the past two months I was telling a couple of college-aged kids that the playwright Tennessee Williams had lived in the house two doors down from mine. They looked at me with a puzzled look and asked who Tennessee Williams was! They aren't certain who Tennessee Williams is but they KNOW Jesus is not a homophobe!

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    Apr 04, 2012 7:16 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidThis is why K-12 school students should be required to wear uniforms.

    There is plenty of time outside the school day kids can display their personal causes on their apparel. No! we have to waste taxpayers' money on lawyers all because this twit needs to make a statement. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lambda Legal put him up to this (great way to raise donations).

    We are graduating legions of idiots witnessed by how US students lag behind the rest of the industrialized world in math, science, etc. and this is the crap we are worried about? On two separate ocassions in the past two months I was telling a couple of college-aged kids that the playwright Tennessee Williams had lived in the house two doors down from mine. They looked at me with a puzzled look and asked who Tennessee Williams was! They aren't certain who Tennessee Williams is but they KNOW Jesus is not a homophobe!



    Really? Instead of commending a young man for standing up for who he is, hopefully to inspire other young homosexuals (while inspiring others to be accepting) who might be considering suicide, you call him a twit? You say US students lag behind in technical studies. Would you then suggest that all sports programs and extracurricular activities be banned from schools as well? Maybe your own growth into an gay man may have been smooth and non-traumatic, but I wish that someone did this when I was in high school so that my dealing with this "crap", as you called it, would have been much easier.
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    Apr 04, 2012 7:28 PM GMT
    EastCoastNAZ said
    UndercoverMan saidThis is why K-12 school students should be required to wear uniforms.

    There is plenty of time outside the school day kids can display their personal causes on their apparel. No! we have to waste taxpayers' money on lawyers all because this twit needs to make a statement. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lambda Legal put him up to this (great way to raise donations).

    We are graduating legions of idiots witnessed by how US students lag behind the rest of the industrialized world in math, science, etc. and this is the crap we are worried about? On two separate ocassions in the past two months I was telling a couple of college-aged kids that the playwright Tennessee Williams had lived in the house two doors down from mine. They looked at me with a puzzled look and asked who Tennessee Williams was! They aren't certain who Tennessee Williams is but they KNOW Jesus is not a homophobe!



    Really? Instead of commending a young man for standing up for who he is, hopefully to inspire other young homosexuals (while inspiring others to be accepting) who might be considering suicide, you call him a twit? You say US students lag behind in technical studies. Would you then suggest that all sports programs and extracurricular activities be banned from schools as well? Maybe your own growth into an gay man may have been smooth and non-traumatic, but I wish that someone did this when I was in high school so that my dealing with this "crap", as you called it, would have been much easier.


    Really?! All it takes is a lousy t-shirt to make coming out easier for gay kids and for the rest of society to be accepting? Interesting. Psychotherapists must be quaking in their leather chairs!
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    Apr 04, 2012 7:42 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said

    Really?! All it takes is a lousy t-shirt to make coming out easier for gay kids and for the rest of society to be accepting? Interesting. Psychotherapists must be quaking in their leather chairs!


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  • Apr 04, 2012 7:51 PM GMT
    ha ha
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    Apr 04, 2012 8:06 PM GMT
    Most Jews aren't homophobes. Most Jews are pretty progressive, believing in healthcare for all, food for all, we are all children of G-d, etc.

    My money is on Jesus believing all these things.
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    Apr 04, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
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    Haaretz saidMost Jews aren't homophobes. Most Jews are pretty progressive, believing in healthcare for all, food for all, we are all children of G-d, etc.

    My money is on Jesus believing all these things.
    Because he was a Jew.
    No, because he was GAY!
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    Apr 04, 2012 8:23 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidThis is why K-12 school students should be required to wear uniforms.

    There is plenty of time outside the school day kids can display their personal causes on their apparel. No! we have to waste taxpayers' money on lawyers all because this twit needs to make a statement. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lambda Legal put him up to this (great way to raise donations).

    We are graduating legions of idiots witnessed by how US students lag behind the rest of the industrialized world in math, science, etc. and this is the crap we are worried about? On two separate ocassions in the past two months I was telling a couple of college-aged kids that the playwright Tennessee Williams had lived in the house two doors down from mine. They looked at me with a puzzled look and asked who Tennessee Williams was! They aren't certain who Tennessee Williams is but they KNOW Jesus is not a homophobe!



    How about all the bully's making a statement by beating the crap out of people because they are gay, and the schools not doing shit? I guess gay bullying is ok, and making a statement against it is wrong
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    Apr 04, 2012 9:03 PM GMT
    EastCoastNAZ said
    UndercoverMan said

    Really?! All it takes is a lousy t-shirt to make coming out easier for gay kids and for the rest of society to be accepting? Interesting. Psychotherapists must be quaking in their leather chairs!


    The magnificent tree starts with a seedling.

    I'm embarrassed for you.


    No need to be embarassed for me. Save it for yourself.

    My point is that these t-shirt at school issues crop up all the time. If schools would just institute policies requiring students to wear uniforms they wouldn't have these issues continually cropping up and the resultant nuisance law suits and disruption. Most of the schools where I live have uniforms and this issue rarely comes up.

    Mr. Maverick is well within his rights to wear his t-shirt all he wants outside of school. But he must also be prepared to be barred entrance to places that may have dress codes - churches, restaurants, the courts, etc. Your profile says you are a professional. Well, I too am a professional and in all my years working I would never have been allowed to wear that or any other t-shirt to work. No time like the present for Mr. Maverik and other students to learn boundaries (something people really need to learn these days).

    Also, I find it interesting that the event ("student-driven day of silence to raise awareness of bullying") isn't scheduled to take place until April 20th. Unless the school doesn't already have some sort of dress code policies in place, why would Mr. Maverick notify or seek permission of the school to wear the shirt? (Learn to read between the lines.) If he didn't think it would be an issue, why not just show up on April 20th with the shirt on? And if he did think it might be an issue, why not get as many fellow students as possible to show up with the same shirts on? They certainly wouldn't suspend 50, 75, or 100 students en masse. Talk about getting press.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Mr. Maverick already had ties to Lambda Legal and this all wasn't a carefully orchestrated media/attention grabbing stunt to increase donations.

    Also, it would be intersting to know, who among you would support another student's right to wear a shirt stating 'Sodomy is disgusting,' or 'Jesus hates sodomites,' or 'Fags are an abomination.'
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    Apr 04, 2012 9:07 PM GMT
    MisterT said
    UndercoverMan saidThis is why K-12 school students should be required to wear uniforms.

    There is plenty of time outside the school day kids can display their personal causes on their apparel. No! we have to waste taxpayers' money on lawyers all because this twit needs to make a statement. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lambda Legal put him up to this (great way to raise donations).

    We are graduating legions of idiots witnessed by how US students lag behind the rest of the industrialized world in math, science, etc. and this is the crap we are worried about? On two separate ocassions in the past two months I was telling a couple of college-aged kids that the playwright Tennessee Williams had lived in the house two doors down from mine. They looked at me with a puzzled look and asked who Tennessee Williams was! They aren't certain who Tennessee Williams is but they KNOW Jesus is not a homophobe!



    How about all the bully's making a statement by beating the crap out of people because they are gay, and the schools not doing shit? I guess gay bullying is ok, and making a statement against it is wrong


    What!? Can you read? I didn't endorse bullying of any kind. Your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking.

    Another fine example of our education system failing yet again.
  • daveindenver

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    Apr 04, 2012 9:12 PM GMT
    Yeah its true...uniforms would have avoided all this drama nonsense.
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    Apr 04, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
    Haaretz saidMost Jews aren't homophobes. Most Jews are pretty progressive, believing in healthcare for all, food for all, we are all children of G-d, etc.

    My money is on Jesus believing all these things.


    I know this is off topic but if Jesus believed in healthcare for all. why didn't he just open a free clinic and just lay his hands on everyone that came through the door? Or better yet, with the wave of his hand or a prayer to his "father" he could have cured everyone on earth of every disease or malady that plagued them.

    I guess he didn't really believe in health care for all considering the scant few he cured during his time here on earth.
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    Apr 04, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said

    No need to be embarassed for me. Save it for yourself.


    Also, it would be intersting to know, who among you would support another student's right to wear a shirt stating 'Sodomy is disgusting,' or 'Jesus hates sodomites,' or 'Fags are an abomination.'


    OK, then I just feel sorry for you.

    And why would we support T-shirts with those sayings? Those messages are encouraging hate, something you seem to have a full grasp of.
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    Apr 04, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
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    UndercoverMan said On two separate ocassions in the past two months I was telling a couple of college-aged kids that the playwright Tennessee Williams had lived in the house two doors down from mine. They looked at me with a puzzled look and asked who Tennessee Williams was! They aren't certain who Tennessee Williams is but they KNOW Jesus is not a homophobe!



    Well, honestly, what's the point of usurping a young college student's position on a relevant current matter with a playwright who died decades ago? T. Williams was not and is not an influential figure that people exploit to support their political or hateful views on issues like homosexuality. However, Christians are notoriously known for distorting Jesus's teaching and have done so for thousands of years.

    I am not clear as to what you're trying to prove or disprove by comparing an iconic figure (whose influence has nearly altered the entire planet) to some mere playwright you used to see two doors down from you. It simply does not appear to be a very sound and solid argument.


    1. Mr. Maverick is a high school student not a college student. College students pretty much wear what they want unless they go to some bible college.
    2. I wasn't usurping (?) his position on a relevent current matter with a playwright who died decades ago. The statement doesn't make sense to me. However, I was using students' ignorance of Tennessee Williams to underscore the sad shape of education in this country and not as comparison to Jesus. Surely, we should teach American literature in high school and surely Mr. Williams should hold a predominant place in such a course. N.B. Mr. Williams was gay and had many gay undercurrents and themes in is work, unlike Jesus who said nothing on the topic.
    3."It simply does not appear to be a very sound and solid argument." That wasn't the argument. Maybe they should teach argumentation and logic in schools.
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    Apr 04, 2012 9:31 PM GMT
    • K-12 uniforms: Good idea, if you can convince parents and school boards to pony up for the cost... alternatively, a significant per capita savings on fitting out kids wardrobes could be realized if a volume discount thru a retailer can be negotiated.

    • And less money spent on litigating cases over political statements on clothing.

    • There is no compelling or canonical scripture that demonstrates the sexuality of Jesus of Nazareth. There is anecdotal evidence to suggest that like many itinerant preachers in Roman Palestine ca. the 1st century BCE - 1st century CE that he was most likely an ascetic celibate if he remained unwed.

    • Jesus was not a homophobe any more than he was not adverse to talking to tax collectors, whores, thieves, fishmongers, or even (gasp!) Roman centurions (who were widely regarded as unwanted conquerors and oppressors). So the T-Shirt would be correct in keeping with what the Scriptures say about Jesus Christ.
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    Apr 04, 2012 9:34 PM GMT
    EastCoastNAZ said
    UndercoverMan said

    No need to be embarassed for me. Save it for yourself.


    Also, it would be intersting to know, who among you would support another student's right to wear a shirt stating 'Sodomy is disgusting,' or 'Jesus hates sodomites,' or 'Fags are an abomination.'


    OK, then I just feel sorry for you.

    And why would we support T-shirts with those sayings? Those messages are encouraging hate, something you seem to have a full grasp of.


    Because you are "enlightened" enough to support free speech for everyone. You don't have to support the sayings just the right of others to say them.

    And yes, I do have a full enough grasp of hate to know that it comes from all sides: straight/gay. liberal/conservative, republican/democrat, black/white/yellow/red, etc. If you are insinuating I am full of hate, please point out the texts wherein I'm stating hateful things and I will gladly repudiate them.

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    Apr 04, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
    Kids have too much time on their hands.
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    Apr 04, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said

    Because you are "enlightened" enough to support free speech for everyone. You don't have to support the sayings just the right of others to say them.

    And yes, I do have a full enough grasp of hate to know that it comes from all sides: straight/gay. liberal/conservative, republican/democrat, black/white/yellow/red, etc. If you are insinuating I am full of hate, please point out the texts wherein I do and I will gladly repudiate them.



    Maybe YOU need the education lesson. I said I wouldn't support T-shirts with those sayings. I said nothing about not supporting those that were wanting to wear them and I certainly wouldn't deny their right to wear them.

    Read your own posts to understand your own grasp. No repudiation necessary, but thanks for offering.
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    Apr 04, 2012 10:03 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan says that the K2 student should wear school uniform.

    In the USA???

    I always thought that school uniforms were a uniquely British custom.

    I always had the impression that American schools allowed freedom of dress.

    Perhaps I have been watching too much of that movie, Grease with Maxwell Caulfield, who was dressed in shirt and tie - and looked totally out of place at a typical American 1962 school environment.

    Whether school uniform really boost the academic quality in a student, I cannot say. Being the British custom, one would therefore perceive that the UK has the highest academic record in the world.

    Maybe so, but when it comes to common sense, here in the UK , this seems to be in dangerously short supply...

    By the way, Undercoverman, did you wear school uniform in your day?
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    Apr 04, 2012 10:14 PM GMT
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    1. Mr. Maverick is a high school student not a college student.
    2. I wasn't usurping (?) his position on a relevent current matter with a playwright who died decades ago. The statement doesn't make sense to me. However, I was using students' ignorance of Tennessee Williams to underscore the sad shape of education in this country and not as comparison to Jesus. Surely, we should teach American literature in high school and surely Mr. Williams should hold a predominant place in such a course. N.B. Mr. Williams was gay and had many gay undercurrents and themes in is work, unlike Jesus who said nothing on the topic.
    3."It simply does not appear to be a very sound and solid argument." That wasn't the argument. Maybe they should teach argumentation and logic in schools.


    A high school student!? Now I'm more impressed with Mr. Maverick. Good for him for standing up for what he believes in.

    So now I really see less of a correlation with your story about the college students who were unfamiliar with T. Williams. I went to high school and I went to college and I was never educated on Tennessee Williams. Is that my fault? Why direct blame at the students? Perhaps the system itself is responsible.

    You make a reasonable point about T. Williams serving as a possible example of a person who was gay. However, he will probably not reach that status you'd like him to have due to his ongoing problems with drug use, mental illness and depression. And, what you're suggesting is an entirely different approach.

    In comparison, Maverick is addressing a false belief that many modern day Christians exploit to perpetuate their own hate against homosexuals. His actions will probably create a shift in awareness for a lot of people. You're right about what Jesus didn't say on the topic of homosexuality. Hence, Maverick's asserting that Jesus wasn't/isn't a homophobe.


    College?! Astounding!
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    Apr 04, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
    How is the t-shirt sexual, because it has the word homophobe? Good for him.