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    Apr 04, 2012 7:36 PM GMT
    So, I applied to a bunch of grad schools for a Masters of Architecture. Got into some great schools in nyc, but they turned out to just be too much for me. So now I am down to deciding between the University of Utah and Arizona State University.

    ASU: Visited last week and loved it. I didn’t feel out of place, loved the weather (I hate the cold). The program was amazing, I really liked it and it was just what I wanted. The SRC was meh (gym is important to me and I don’t have a car), but I loved the gym at Vista (not sure if want to live in a dorm though). Problem: I would be an out of state student for at least 3 semesters, which would end up costing $40,000 for just year one (out of 3 total). Then after a year I should get instate tuition, so its comparable to Utah. There is also a better chance for funding after the first year.

    Utah: I like Salt Lake, the U and family is here. But, I don’t really like the program here, facilities are not great and I’ve been here for forever and I want a change. Plus, it’s cheap here, but the program doesn’t have a lot of money.

    Just looking for honest opinions of ASU, Tempe and college debt. Also, from other grad students that have debt, how much, how you are handling it, or what you would or would not change.
  • chi_rock

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    Apr 04, 2012 9:11 PM GMT
    The practical side of me says weigh very carefully your loans and total cost against expected salary over the first 5 years post graduation.
  • calibro

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    Apr 04, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
    what's the opportunity cost after going to the schools, salary-wise?
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    Apr 04, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
    I'd avoid debt, though some debt is worth taking. Student debt in the US has skyrocketed, so be careful.
  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 04, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    chi_rock saidThe practical side of me says weigh very carefully your loans and total cost against expected salary over the first 5 years post graduation.

    Something I did not take into account lol. 100grand wheeww at an estimated salary of 65grand. Oh boy
  • petemdc

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    Apr 04, 2012 9:53 PM GMT
    I would make sure that you would be responsible for out of state tuition. Grad students can often be exempt from this status. Also try to find appropriate outside funding to help you finance your graduate education such as TA/RAships. I know they happen less frequently outside of the sciences, but you may find that one, two, all of your semesters may have some sort of stipend or tuition reimbursement for work that you do. Find out from the programs on how they can help you make graduate school affordable.

    most grad programs have a student coordinator...and if you haven't met him/her at your prospective universities you need to find out who it is. They run the show! Often they know all of the inner workings and keep graduate programs running within departments and colleges. Good luck.

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    Apr 05, 2012 12:51 AM GMT
    calibro saidwhat's the opportunity cost after going to the schools, salary-wise?


    Honestly, its not that great. I would be an intern for a few years. I think most get paid, but you never know. I would say it depends on the economy, if construction does well so does architecture. Really, payoff wont be for at least a few years.

    The difference ends up being about $25,000 dollars between the two. So is it worth more debt for the better program and reputation?
  • Import

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    Apr 05, 2012 12:59 AM GMT
    dude u better make sure about that 1 year rule for becoming an arizona resident. Universities are notorious for making it somewhat difficult for someone like urself to become a resident for tutition purposes...

    usually u need to provide proof of residency with government issued documents like a drivers license, voter registration, vehicle registration, taxes filed in arizona, etc..... a water bill or credit card bill won't do.

    All of these docs need to state that u lived in Arizona for at least one year...and these docs need to be oissued before the first day of class, otherwise ur 2nd year....u will still not receive residency.
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    Apr 05, 2012 5:29 AM GMT
    If you hate the cold, see if you can find an Agri school in South Florida.

    The mornings here in AZ are fucking miserable. It's April 4 and the temp yesterday morning was 42 degrees. I even skipped work as a result...I hate the cold, too. icon_lol.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 05, 2012 5:35 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidIf you hate the cold, see if you can find an Agri school in South Florida.

    The mornings here in AZ are fucking miserable. It's April 4 and the temp yesterday morning was 42 degrees. I even skipped work as a result...I hate the cold, too. icon_lol.gif



    Don't listen to Paul, it was in the 80's today here in beautiful sunny Arizona. If you were here last week, then you know what beautiful weather we have. I went to ASU and it was some of the best years of my life. Tempe is a hotbed of hotties and things to do. The beautiful weather is why people come here. It's almost 10:30pm right now and it's a wonderful 64 degrees.

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    Apr 05, 2012 8:35 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    paulflexes saidIf you hate the cold, see if you can find an Agri school in South Florida.

    The mornings here in AZ are fucking miserable. It's April 4 and the temp yesterday morning was 42 degrees. I even skipped work as a result...I hate the cold, too. icon_lol.gif



    Don't listen to Paul, it was in the 80's today here in beautiful sunny Arizona.
    After noon, yeah. This morning it was 48 here in CaCa Grandiolicious.
  • ja89

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    Apr 05, 2012 9:13 AM GMT
    Before you read you must know that I haven't had the best time here, but I will tell you the Truth oppose to the common "I LOVE IT HERE, You should come" answer. I'm not from here and I find it funny how I just visited SLC, UT for an audition and I fell in love with the city. Everyone I met was a lot more welcoming and inviting than the people in AZ I've met.

    I'm graduating this semester from ASU and I can't wait to leave.

    Negatives:
    - I wouldn't recommend Vista. It's not necessarily a dorm but it get treated like one at times. My friends lived there the first year it opened up and there was not a single night where it was quiet. I went back again a couple of weeks ago and it was the same result. Also, you will save a shit load more money by living off campus.

    - AZ (especially Tempe) is hot as hell in the summers. I know you don't like the cold but this city isn't a happy medium at all. It's the extreme opposite. wait til July when it hits near 120 and see if you wouldn't want a cooler temp. August is monsoon season nothing but sandstorms and high winds that can't form a tornado.(that's actually a plus)

    - Be prepared to be paying a lot of overpriced things at ASU. My favorite thing is when they send out mass emails saying we have to make numerous budget cuts and raise tuition and blah blah blah, but you see new buildings go up left and right along with a bunch of other BS. NEVER eat on campus unless you have no other choice. It's not bad food just small portions.

    Positives
    - The SRC is actually getting better. I had the luxury of using the athletes complex the first 2 years of my stay here and going to the SRC is majorly depressing. But it's getting way better (they're building a whole new section for next year so you will get to see a new facility possibly.)

    - If you find a place here live somewhere near the light rail it's soooo convenient. Plus you can buy a year bus pass for $150 (used to be free but it's still better than paying $75 per month). Also there is a free bus route called the Orbit that'll take you all around Tempe.

    - Plenty of things to do. But no water park icon_sad.gif

    Also have you considered settling in here for the first year or so gain instate residency and then start school at that time? Saves you from spending 60k upfront.
  • calibro

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    Apr 07, 2012 7:56 AM GMT
    Muscle15 said
    calibro saidwhat's the opportunity cost after going to the schools, salary-wise?


    Honestly, its not that great. I would be an intern for a few years. I think most get paid, but you never know. I would say it depends on the economy, if construction does well so does architecture. Really, payoff wont be for at least a few years.

    The difference ends up being about $25,000 dollars between the two. So is it worth more debt for the better program and reputation?


    this is where talking to alumni is important
  • Joeyphx444

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    Apr 07, 2012 8:13 AM GMT
    Muscle15 saidSo, I applied to a bunch of grad schools for a Masters of Architecture. Got into some great schools in nyc, but they turned out to just be too much for me. So now I am down to deciding between the University of Utah and Arizona State University.

    ASU: Visited last week and loved it. I didn’t feel out of place, loved the weather (I hate the cold). The program was amazing, I really liked it and it was just what I wanted. The SRC was meh (gym is important to me and I don’t have a car), but I loved the gym at Vista (not sure if want to live in a dorm though). Problem: I would be an out of state student for at least 3 semesters, which would end up costing $40,000 for just year one (out of 3 total). Then after a year I should get instate tuition, so its comparable to Utah. There is also a better chance for funding after the first year.

    Utah: I like Salt Lake, the U and family is here. But, I don’t really like the program here, facilities are not great and I’ve been here for forever and I want a change. Plus, it’s cheap here, but the program doesn’t have a lot of money.

    Just looking for honest opinions of ASU, Tempe and college debt. Also, from other grad students that have debt, how much, how you are handling it, or what you would or would not change.



    Tempe is fun but I wouldn't live there icon_razz.gif Especially around ASU, it's a dump with loud college kids and police sirens all the time

    Live in Scottsdale/Chandler or Mesa

    Even though ASU may have raised tuition, it's a relatively inexpensive school even for an out-of-state student like I was