Getting out of the military

  • CarbGoggles

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    Apr 07, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
    I'm at 13 years and some change... I just don't want to be in the military any more. There is just too much retarded BS to deal with. I'm not even talking about DADT either. To me that was a drag but seriously it wasn't as big of a hindrance on my life compared to leadership in the Air Force. I feel like leadership in the Air Force only cares about how they are perceived in the eyes of their bosses. They don't give a shit about how they can best contribute to the safety and stability of the United States as well as support combat troops in conflicts around the world. The Air Force is a multi billion dollar self licking ice cream cone and I want off of this ride icon_evil.gif

    Has anybody else out there gone over 10 years and walked away prior to retirement?
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    Apr 07, 2012 5:17 PM GMT
    First and foremost, thank you for serving. Are you at Wright-Patt? Do what your heart tells you to do and don't look back. Best wishes, pal.
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    Apr 07, 2012 5:19 PM GMT
    I work at the Air Force Academy several days a week.

    Most zoomies are prima donnas.

    It's ok though. I find it cute.
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    Apr 07, 2012 5:19 PM GMT
    You are hitting the wall. Dont make any decision without an awful lot of thought.

    The wall you are standing at right now is what most of us went thru. Yeah, the politics get bad beginning at that point in your career. Find out a way to take you back to why you joined in the first place and what you enjoy/ed about being a part of it.

    Search for those ways to insulate yourself from the politics..

    If you can't find that you can do that after making a concerted effort, then by all means, let your enlistment expire.

    Just remember you are way past that half way mark.. the last ones go by faster than you think..

    Just MY 2 cents!
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    Apr 07, 2012 5:27 PM GMT
    CarbGoggles saidI'm at 13 years and some change... I just don't want to be in the military any more. There is just too much retarded BS to deal with. I'm not even talking about DADT either. To me that was a drag but seriously it wasn't as big of a hindrance on my life compared to leadership in the Air Force. I feel like leadership in the Air Force only cares about how they are perceived in the eyes of their bosses. They don't give a shit about how they can best contribute to the safety and stability of the United States as well as support combat troops in conflicts around the world. The Air Force is a multi billion dollar self licking ice cream cone and I want off of this ride icon_evil.gif

    Has anybody else out there gone over 10 years and walked away prior to retirement?


    Not me but my father was in for 20 years. Made officer rank. And I'm not sure if he was twisted to begin with or the military just brought it out.....icon_mad.gif
    He was an officer and a gentleman outside the house and a monster inside it.
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    Apr 07, 2012 5:31 PM GMT
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    CarbGoggles saidI'm at 13 years and some change... I just don't want to be in the military any more. There is just too much retarded BS to deal with. I'm not even talking about DADT either. To me that was a drag but seriously it wasn't as big of a hindrance on my life compared to leadership in the Air Force. I feel like leadership in the Air Force only cares about how they are perceived in the eyes of their bosses. They don't give a shit about how they can best contribute to the safety and stability of the United States as well as support combat troops in conflicts around the world. The Air Force is a multi billion dollar self licking ice cream cone and I want off of this ride icon_evil.gif

    Has anybody else out there gone over 10 years and walked away prior to retirement?


    Not me but my father was in for 20 years. Made officer rank. And I'm not sure if he was twisted to begin with or the military just brought it out.....icon_mad.gif
    He was an officer and a gentleman outside the house and a monster inside it.
    Pops had it all backward! I was the other way around!
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    Apr 07, 2012 5:35 PM GMT
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    turbobilly said
    CarbGoggles saidI'm at 13 years and some change... I just don't want to be in the military any more. There is just too much retarded BS to deal with. I'm not even talking about DADT either. To me that was a drag but seriously it wasn't as big of a hindrance on my life compared to leadership in the Air Force. I feel like leadership in the Air Force only cares about how they are perceived in the eyes of their bosses. They don't give a shit about how they can best contribute to the safety and stability of the United States as well as support combat troops in conflicts around the world. The Air Force is a multi billion dollar self licking ice cream cone and I want off of this ride icon_evil.gif

    Has anybody else out there gone over 10 years and walked away prior to retirement?


    Not me but my father was in for 20 years. Made officer rank. And I'm not sure if he was twisted to begin with or the military just brought it out.....icon_mad.gif
    He was an officer and a gentleman outside the house and a monster inside it.
    Pops had it all backward! I was the other way around!


    Well, actually.....Mom told me about some single officer guy Dad slandered behind his back (guess what rumour he started?) and the guy ended up killing himself.......
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    Apr 07, 2012 5:44 PM GMT
    Sounds a lot like a lot of business settings. Chock full of soulless, backstabbing corporate gigolos ... But I don't want to dwell on their positives. icon_mad.gif

    Good companies with good teams to work with/for are not so easy to find, in my experience.

    Consider carefully before you make a move. Good luck and thank you for your service.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Apr 07, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    I'm anticipating a civilian career to be similar in that I won't always like my boss. I am hoping though that in the civilian world you can't hide your inadequacies for long. If you are worthless, you will be exposed and replaced. In the military, you can have a very rewarding career as a noncontributing waste of tax dollars. Accountability and integrity are very important to me. Perhaps I have to let all that go if I want to make it in the military icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 07, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
    CarbGoggles saidI'm anticipating a civilian career to be similar in that I won't always like my boss. I am hoping though that in the civilian world you can't hide your inadequacies for long. If you are worthless, you will be exposed and replaced. In the military, you can have a very rewarding career as a noncontributing waste of tax dollars. Accountability and integrity are very important to me. Perhaps I have to let all that go if I want to make it in the military icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 07, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
    I hate to burst your bubble, but in the private world, at least in my experience thus far, the inadequate people who do the least are promoted to management positions and are praised for how great they are.

    So, no - it's the same everywhere.

    I do wish you the best - and great username by the way.
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    Apr 07, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
    Pensions aren't exactly being handed out left and right these days.....

    Keep your eyes focused on what you want to do going forward.
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    Apr 07, 2012 6:18 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]onaquest said[/cite]I hate to burst your bubble, but in the private world, at least in my experience thus far, the inadequate people who do the least are promoted to management positions and are praised for how great they are.

    It is usually the ones that are best at butt smooching!








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    Apr 07, 2012 6:19 PM GMT
    onaquest saidI hate to burst your bubble, but in the private world, at least in my experience thus far, the inadequate people who do the least are promoted to management positions and are praised for how great they are.

    So, no - it's the same everywhere.

    I do wish you the best - and great username by the way.


    That would be horribly disappointing. My only recourse would be to continue to update my resume and be on the look out for a company that has standards. More than likely it would be a small company. In any case thanks. I'm looking forward to the next chapter of my life where I hang up the uniform and put on a company Polo shirt lol.
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    Apr 07, 2012 6:22 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidYou are hitting the wall. Dont make any decision without an awful lot of thought.

    The wall you are standing at right now is what most of us went thru. Yeah, the politics get bad beginning at that point in your career. Find out a way to take you back to why you joined in the first place and what you enjoy/ed about being a part of it.!


    This makes a lot of sense. I went thru the same thing in my career at almost the exact same number of years.
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    Apr 07, 2012 6:23 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidYou are hitting the wall. Dont make any decision without an awful lot of thought.

    The wall you are standing at right now is what most of us went thru. Yeah, the politics get bad beginning at that point in your career. Find out a way to take you back to why you joined in the first place and what you enjoy/ed about being a part of it.!


    This makes a lot of sense. I went thru the same thing in my career at almost the exact same number of years.
    I saw so many hit that wall and lost it.. great guys/gals! great leaders but still lost them..........
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    Apr 07, 2012 6:24 PM GMT
    CarbGoggles said
    onaquest saidI hate to burst your bubble, but in the private world, at least in my experience thus far, the inadequate people who do the least are promoted to management positions and are praised for how great they are.

    So, no - it's the same everywhere.

    I do wish you the best - and great username by the way.


    That would be horribly disappointing. My only recourse would be to continue to update my resume and be on the look out for a company that has standards. More than likely it would be a small company. In any case thanks. I'm looking forward to the next chapter of my life where I hang up the uniform and put on a company Polo shirt lol.


    Like TropicalMark said - please just make sure you choose carefully. My last job was a small hometown bank - I live in a very small town in the south. I don't want to rain on your parade, but the reality is - you are going to find the same situations in any job in this day. Your focus needs to be on how you handle yourself in those situations.

    Also, please make sure you choose your next career carefully. Be prepared for the fact that in this economy - jobs are hard to come by - so it may take some time to get yourself positioned where you want to be. - You should be aware that you are going to have to start over with things like a retirement plan and seniority. Those things aren't being handed out anymore. You will have to earn your place.

    On a brighter side, I understand your frustration and unhappiness. Two years ago I left my career in banking and became a college instructor. I am much happier in my life now because I feel like I am doing what I am meant to do. I have even been promoted to Chair of my division (essentially the manager). So things can work out. You need to do some inward looking to figure out what will make you happy in the long-term and then chase that. Be prepared that it won't happen overnight. It took me 5 years to finally get this position.

    Best of luck.

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    Apr 07, 2012 6:28 PM GMT
    Bad news ratards are in leadership roles in every career field. Corporate, city, or military. Kids with degrees in management that couldnt even organize a girl scout fund raiser. At the end of the day its your choice. Hell if nothing else change mos or switch to a diff base.
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    Apr 07, 2012 6:35 PM GMT
    Grew up in Norfolk.. military parents and a lot military friends. Best thing you can do for yourself is get out. You'll feel so much more relieved.
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    Apr 07, 2012 6:51 PM GMT
    I am hitting 6 years and going officer. I personally can't wait to get into MEDDAC. When I was in 3d ACR, it was a GREAT unit. a most awesome unit. then I got put in Area 1 in South Korea. the unit was a shit bag unit. then I get to Carson with 4ID and it makes me wish I was back in Korea. it seems to be going down hill.

    The problem started in the early to mid '90s when a lot of senior NCOs and Officers started retiring en-mass. they left a vacuum that needed to be filled by lower ranking enlisted/officers that were not getting the mentoring that would normally come along with the promotions. it cause a cascade reaction of what we are seeing today, the CSMs and full birds we have today were the Privates and the Butter Bars back then that were not getting the proper mentor-ship to be good leaders. Thus blossomed the "good ole boys" club. that if you are not an asshole or uncaring prick then you will have a hard time getting promoted. all the quality leaders get out.

    perhaps you should stand your ground and help make a difference. try and show those under you what it means to be a quality leader. and then perhaps they will do the same.

    Trust me, it is NOT just the AF, it is endemic in the Army as well. If Meddac is worse, and I am not able to comply with the advice I just gave you, then I am going civilian and getting my flight status to be a civilian flight nurse.
  • LJay

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    Apr 07, 2012 6:55 PM GMT
    Stay the course. Entertain yourself by socking away every cent that you can into a Roth IRA.

    It will not be easy, but if you have made it this far, you can probably do the rest. Some good helps above.

    Just don't retire without all the benefits you can muster. This economy is not a fun ride.
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    Apr 07, 2012 7:02 PM GMT
    it took u 13 years to realize that? stick it out.
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    Apr 07, 2012 7:13 PM GMT
    As has already been said, think of the pension! I really, really wanted to get out during my last few years (I did 25 in total), but I was determined to leave mortgage-free (which I did). I actually left 6 months before my engagement was due to end, as I found a nice steady civilian job, which allows me to live in my own home, keeps me busy during the day, has very little stress and nicely tops up my pension income. The life I am living now makes all the hassle and inconvenience I had during my service life seem worth it.

    Seven years will fly by. Hang in there.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Apr 07, 2012 7:26 PM GMT
    KandaharMedic saidI am hitting 6 years and going officer. I personally can't wait to get into MEDDAC. When I was in 3d ACR, it was a GREAT unit. a most awesome unit. then I got put in Area 1 in South Korea. the unit was a shit bag unit. then I get to Carson with 4ID and it makes me wish I was back in Korea. it seems to be going down hill.

    The problem started in the early to mid '90s when a lot of senior NCOs and Officers started retiring en-mass. they left a vacuum that needed to be filled by lower ranking enlisted/officers that were not getting the mentoring that would normally come along with the promotions. it cause a cascade reaction of what we are seeing today, the CSMs and full birds we have today were the Privates and the Butter Bars back then that were not getting the proper mentor-ship to be good leaders. Thus blossomed the "good ole boys" club. that if you are not an asshole or uncaring prick then you will have a hard time getting promoted. all the quality leaders get out.

    perhaps you should stand your ground and help make a difference. try and show those under you what it means to be a quality leader. and then perhaps they will do the same.

    Trust me, it is NOT just the AF, it is endemic in the Army as well. If Meddac is worse, and I am not able to comply with the advice I just gave you, then I am going civilian and getting my flight status to be a civilian flight nurse.

    I just redeployed from KAF in Feb. I put the needs of the BDE before the orders of an AF Maj and an AF Capt resulting in loss of a strip and being sent home early. The full background story is so sordid and scandalous. The AF Maj ended up getting medevaced out because he attempted suicde. The AF Capt just redeployed and is on terminal leave. My 6 is still on KAF. I'm not too angry with him. I'm just disappointed that he would blindly take the word of his idiot mouth breathers.

    Nobody in my chain was concerned with identifying the truth for the purpose of making things better. They only wanted to crush everything and put it all in the past ASAP. The absence of responsibility and integrity in the AF is disgusting.

    I don't think any amount of ground standing will make a difference. As long as people of authority place perception over integrity, the military will remain a self licking ice cream cone.
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    Apr 07, 2012 7:31 PM GMT
    Congrats on your career so far. USAF is a great way to get started in life. I put in 7.5 years in an AWACS squadron after 4 years of ROTC. The only thing I really miss is the camaraderie among the flight crew. Since separating I've worked in both private and government jobs. Unfortunately, you can't get away from the politics, no matter where you work. Unless, of course, you work for yourself. Both in the military and out of the military, it's not always the talented ones that get promoted....it's many times (mostly?) the "yes" men with marginal skills. Think long and hard before separating. You're almost at 20, so I'd strongly consider toughing it out.

    Good luck!

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