It gets better... even at BYU

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    Apr 07, 2012 6:34 PM GMT
    Not a fan of BYU being my school rival and all, but this video was pretty enlightening. There are good people everywhere, even at BYU.

  • calibro

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    Apr 07, 2012 8:56 PM GMT
    so basically... hey, we're part of this religion that doesn't like gays and it made us all suicidal, but if you come to this university run by our religion and feel suicidal, you can hang out with us and things will be better... except your religion will still ostracize you
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    Apr 07, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
    calibro saidso basically... hey, we're part of this religion that doesn't like gays and it made us all suicidal, but if you come to this university run by our religion and feel suicidal, you can hang out with us and things will be better... except your religion will still ostracize you


    I am a HUGE critic of BYU (I absolutely loathe that institution of "higher learning") and of the LDS church being a former member, but I think the power of this video is that even in such a restrictive, harsh, limiting environment these people are STILL able to share that things will get better when you "grow up", which is the entire premise of the "It gets better" campaign in the first place.
  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 07, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
    Was this even endorsed by the school, or just a student created project? Not trying to belittle the message of course.
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    Apr 07, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
    calibro saidso basically... hey, we're part of this religion that doesn't like gays and it made us all suicidal, but if you come to this university run by our religion and feel suicidal, you can hang out with us and things will be better... except your religion will still ostracize you
    Pretty much...
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    Apr 07, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
    It seems student produced, but the fact that USGA exists and these students are not being ostracized / excommunicated from the church, or kicked out of the school, does speak to some progress.

    My cousin who went to BYU put it well, when I shared this video on facebook, stating that

    cousin Amy
    I'm learning that this generation of mormon kids are not in sync with the previous generation's leadership on this issue. it will be interesting to watch what the official stance will be when I'm 80.... that being said, it certainly doesn't erase the damage done from past aggressively anti-gay tactics used by BYU and the honor code office. My experience as a student there in the early 90's was that the church and the administration were actively working to excommunicate students and faculty who did not subscribe to theological orthodoxy


    Even my mom, who voted for Prop 8, and has said some closed-minded things in the past, was the first to share this video among the people I know. I think it's naive to think that a church like the LDS will go from excommunicating gays, to marching in gay pride parades, overnight. Still, videos like this show that things are moving in the right direction.

    Personally, some of the testimonials hit very close to home for me. I'm glad their message is getting out there.
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    Apr 07, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
    Their are so many men and women in the church today who are secretly gay and struggling with what they believe and with how they were born sexually. If people only knew? I have known so many LDS men who are secretly gay and very married, and yet living in fear and a lie. But its not just LDS, but its in every religion and faith.

    I have learned God has never hated me, but men have in the name of God! I often wonder how different things would be had the church been loving and accepting to gay men and women? How many gay men and women would not have committed suicide, how many would not have been bullied, hated, rejected, pushed out by family and friends, and even killed? How much they would have added to the church by their talents and love, and knowing what its like to be rejected, and helping others to come terms with hate and rejection, by overcoming it with love. I once asked a christian man who was condemning gay men, and was expressing how we can't allow them into the church. So, I asked him who would do more harm to the church " a false teacher or a gay man"? He instantly went silent, and after a few minutes he looked up at me and said the false teacher!
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    Apr 08, 2012 2:00 AM GMT
    TheBizMan saidWas this even endorsed by the school, or just a student created project? Not trying to belittle the message of course.


    I was curious about that myself and had found this on youtube

    Sponsored by USGA
    "(Understanding Same-Gender Attraction) is an unofficial group of Brigham Young University students, faculty, and friends who wish to strengthen families and the BYU community by providing a place for open, respectful discussions on the topic of same-gender attraction."


    While it declares itself an unofficial group, I would imagine the LDS church could have stopped its production.
  • metta

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    Apr 09, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
    VIDEO: Brigham Young students reach out to young, gay Mormons: “It Gets Better”

    http://www.sdgln.com/causes/2012/04/09/brigham-young-students-reach-out-young-gay-mormons-it-gets-better
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    Apr 09, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
    Soooo.... if I convert to Mormonism, God will give me perfectly clear (but extremely pale) skin?
  • metta

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    Apr 09, 2012 5:16 PM GMT
    ^
    that is because the darker your skin means the more you have sinned, according to the original book of Mormon. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 10, 2012 4:16 PM GMT

    BYU Official: Mormon Students in 'It Gets Better' Video Won't Be Punished Unless They Act on Their Gay Feelings

    http://www.towleroad.com/2012/04/byucode.html
  • commoncoll

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    Apr 10, 2012 8:43 PM GMT
    BYU has free tuition and offers a good education for the most part.
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    Apr 10, 2012 11:13 PM GMT
    commoncoll saidBYU has free tuition and offers a good education for the most part.


    It's only "Free" if you have rich parents that will pay the tuition for you or you get some other scholarship. Just like any university.