Veterans’ brain damage reveals the most detailed map of intelligence ever

  • metta

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    Apr 11, 2012 2:01 AM GMT
    Veterans’ brain damage reveals the most detailed map of intelligence ever


    http://io9.com/5900838/veterans-brain-damage-reveals-the-most-detailed-map-of-intelligence-ever
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    Apr 11, 2012 7:39 AM GMT
    I'm frightened at the premise of science one day fully understanding (and subsequently manipulating) the human brain. If you think about it the ramifications are startling. From mind control, reality-manipulation, behavior dominance. It's like controlling the brain in some ways controls existence wholly.
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    Apr 11, 2012 8:31 AM GMT
    This doesn't seem that new.
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    Apr 11, 2012 9:03 AM GMT
    Ariodante saidI'm frightened at the premise of science one day fully understanding (and subsequently manipulating) the human brain. If you think about it the ramifications are startling. From mind control, reality-manipulation, behavior dominance. It's like controlling the brain in some ways controls existence wholly.


    Word. Scares me shitless too.

    Hope I'm dead before then.

    REALLY glad I'm gay so I can't bring children into this world.
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    Apr 11, 2012 11:01 AM GMT
    "The brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..."

    I stopped reading after that fantastic lead. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 11, 2012 12:58 PM GMT
    I read nothing ground breaking about this article, and it didn't really seem to have a point. icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 11, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidI'm frightened at the premise of science one day fully understanding (and subsequently manipulating) the human brain. If you think about it the ramifications are startling. From mind control, reality-manipulation, behavior dominance. It's like controlling the brain in some ways controls existence wholly.


    We've already been manipulating the human brain for quite some time now. ;)

    I personally find it very exciting, but I do agree... there is a certain aspect about the advance of neuroscience that is terribly frightening as well.
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    Apr 11, 2012 1:34 PM GMT
    credo said"The brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..."

    I stopped reading after that fantastic lead. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why? Because it's true?
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    Apr 11, 2012 1:45 PM GMT
    bischero said
    credo said"The brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..."

    I stopped reading after that fantastic lead. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why? Because it's true?


    You're delusional if you honestly believe that the brain is the most complex structure in the universe.

    The (human) brain is arguably the most complex biological structure on Earth, for sure, but that's where it ends.
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    Apr 11, 2012 1:53 PM GMT
    credo said
    bischero said
    credo said"The brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..."

    I stopped reading after that fantastic lead. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why? Because it's true?


    You're delusional if you honestly believe that the brain is the most complex structure in the universe.

    The (human) brain is arguably the most complex biological structure on Earth, for sure, but that's where it ends.


    I agree with the statement that the brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe. This organ is incredibly complex. I can't think of anything more complex and amazing than the human brain. The amount of information the brain processes is jaw dropping.

    Maybe one day we'll discover something more incredible and more complex, but for now, this is what we've got. I love the brain and everything that encompasses neuroscience, so I am biased. If it weren't for our brains... we wouldn't be able to be debating this very topic right now. icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 11, 2012 1:59 PM GMT
    We're off topic here, but I agree with you to an extent. Bottom line: had the journalist written, "In my opinion, the brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..." then I wouldn't have cringed.
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    Apr 11, 2012 2:02 PM GMT
    credo saidWe're off topic here, but I agree with you to an extent. Bottom line: had the journalist written, "In my opinion, the brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..." then I wouldn't have cringed.


    True, true. We cannot know for sure if the brain is without a doubt the most complex structure in the universe... there's probably some other structure/organ out there that is more complex than the human brain.

    But I still think that our brains are freaking fantastic and the complexity will intrigue scientists for centuries to come. icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 11, 2012 2:17 PM GMT
    credo said"The brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..."

    I stopped reading after that fantastic lead. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why did you feel compelled to post if you don't care for the article?
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    Apr 11, 2012 2:24 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidI'm frightened at the premise of science one day fully understanding (and subsequently manipulating) the human brain. If you think about it the ramifications are startling. From mind control, reality-manipulation, behavior dominance. It's like controlling the brain in some ways controls existence wholly.


    So this must excite you: http://www.stanford.edu/group/brainsinsilicon/

    Someone has come up with a way to simulate the brain's ability to use low-accuracy but high-efficiency calculations.
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    Apr 11, 2012 2:29 PM GMT
    they cold make us worker drone zombies?
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    Apr 11, 2012 4:25 PM GMT
    credo said
    bischero said
    credo said"The brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..."

    I stopped reading after that fantastic lead. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why? Because it's true?


    You're delusional if you honestly believe that the brain is the most complex structure in the universe.

    The (human) brain is arguably the most complex biological structure on Earth, for sure, but that's where it ends.



    This is true. Black holes are incredibly complex and have great similarities to many human brains. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 11, 2012 5:39 PM GMT
    Animus said
    credo said"The brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..."

    I stopped reading after that fantastic lead. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why did you feel compelled to post if you don't care for the article?
    Cause this is a forum website that encourages reader posting, opinion and participation!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 11, 2012 7:08 PM GMT
    http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/01/connectomics
    Mapping the Most Complex Structure in the Universe: Your Brain


    "...with 100 billion neurons in the human brain, mapping them is an impossibly complex task for humans alone. An early "by hand" connectomics effort by Sydney Brenner of the Salk Institute studied the roundworm and its meager 300 nervous-system cells: It took a decade to complete..."
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    Apr 11, 2012 8:26 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidI'm frightened at the premise of science one day fully understanding (and subsequently manipulating) the human brain. If you think about it the ramifications are startling. From mind control, reality-manipulation, behavior dominance. It's like controlling the brain in some ways controls existence wholly.
    It doesn't scare me at all.

    Of course, for those who actually have a brain, I can understand why it would.
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    Apr 11, 2012 8:30 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    Animus said
    credo said"The brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..."

    I stopped reading after that fantastic lead. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why did you feel compelled to post if you don't care for the article?
    Cause this is a forum website that encourages reader posting, opinion and participation!icon_biggrin.gif


    When Credo and TropicalMark have spoken, all other opinions are null and void!

    #HeavyCollars
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    Apr 11, 2012 8:31 PM GMT
    credo said
    bischero said
    credo said"The brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..."

    I stopped reading after that fantastic lead. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why? Because it's true?


    You're delusional if you honestly believe that the brain is the most complex structure in the universe.

    The (human) brain is arguably the most complex biological structure on Earth, for sure, but that's where it ends.


    I love how you bring a huge dose of reality to the forums, Credo!
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    Apr 11, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
    [url]http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=brain+%22the+most+complex+structure%22&as_sdt=0%2C10&as_ylo=&as_vis=0[/url]

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  • bischero

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    Apr 11, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
    ^ Love all those quotes. icon_biggrin.gif

    THE BRAIN IS FANTASTIC!!!! icon_smile.gificon_smile.gificon_smile.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 1:48 AM GMT
    bischero said^ Love all those quotes. icon_biggrin.gif

    THE BRAIN IS FANTASTIC!!!! icon_smile.gificon_smile.gificon_smile.gif


    Yes, especially when trying to wrap our minds around the numbers indicating just how complex our brains are: 100,000,000,000 neurons with possibly 1,000,000,000,000,000 connections.

    And that's just Carl Sagan's brain.

    neurons.jpg

    Now add to those numbers this little characteristic:

    http://neurosciencenews.com/neuronal-diversity-vital-brain-function/

    "Much like snowflakes, no two neurons are exactly alike. But it’s not the size or shape that sets one neuron apart from another, it’s the way it responds to incoming stimuli."

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKc96fYfOM58cKiF5ukWh

    Now add to that how neuroplasticity studies show we can voluntarily increase the complexity of dendrites (the branchy aspect of a neuron which catches the info from other neurons).

    neuron+synapse.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
    credo said
    bischero said
    credo said"The brain is arguably the most complex structure in the known universe..."

    I stopped reading after that fantastic lead. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why? Because it's true?


    You're delusional if you honestly believe that the brain is the most complex structure in the universe.

    The (human) brain is arguably the most complex biological structure on Earth, for sure, but that's where it ends.


    <3 icon_biggrin.gif