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Big News: Dr. Robert Spitzer Renounces Infamous ‘Ex-Gay’ Study

  • metta8 Posts: 25236
    QUOTE Apr 11, 2012 3:33 PM GMT
    Big News: Dr. Robert Spitzer Renounces Infamous ‘Ex-Gay’ Study


    http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/04/24187/
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    QUOTE Apr 11, 2012 4:25 PM GMT
    Truth wins out! Great website name too!
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    QUOTE Apr 11, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
    Spitzer, in American Prospect article“In retrospect, I have to admit I think the critiques [of my study] are largely correct... The findings can be considered evidence for what those who have undergone ex-gay therapy say about it, but nothing more.”


    I see he is suffering from Parkinson's, but I'm not sure this is "retraction" enough.

    Gabirel Arana, regarding SpitzerHe said he spoke with the editor of the Archives of Sexual Behavior about writing a retraction, but the editor declined. (Repeated attempts to contact the journal went unanswered.)

    Spitzer said that he was proud of having been instrumental in removing homosexuality from the list of mental disorders. Now 80 and retired, he was afraid that the 2001 study would tarnish his legacy and perhaps hurt others. He said that failed attempts to rid oneself of homosexual attractions “can be quite harmful.” He has, though, no doubts about the 1973 fight over the classification of homosexuality.

    “Had there been no Bob Spitzer, homosexuality would still have eventually been removed from the list of psychiatric disorders,” he said. “But it wouldn’t have happened in 1973.”

    Spitzer was growing tired and asked how many more questions I had. Nothing, I responded, unless you have something to add. He did. Would I print a retraction of his 2001 study, “So I don’t have to worry about it anymore”?


    Can Spitzer have someone in his field work with him to provide a definitive retraction via a jointly-published, peer-reviewed research article (doesn't have to be ASB)? I'm not certain a personal request to include his acceptance of many critiques of his work in a political magazine suffices as a retraction or a debunking. It works for me fine, of course, but from a professional standpoint, it would work better if his input was in collaboration with a skilled and capable researcher.
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    QUOTE Apr 11, 2012 6:13 PM GMT
    http://wthrockmorton.com/2012/04/11/robert-spitzer-retracts-2001-ex-gay-study/

    Dr. Warren ThrockmortonKnowing this article was coming, I talked last evening with Bob and asked him what he would like to do about his study. He confirmed to me that he has regret for what he now considers to be errant interpretations of the reports of his study participants. He told me that he had “second thoughts about his study” and he now believes “his conclusions don’t hold water.” He added that he now believes that the criticisms of the study expressed in the 2003 Archives of Sexual Behavior issue are “more true to the data” than his conclusions were.


    Throckmorton might be the best person to do as I suggested above.
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    QUOTE Apr 11, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    This development should seriously undermine, if not destroy, the gay-to-straight conversion scams being run by the likes of Michele Bachmann's husband. SHOULD, but sadly won't.

    The spin will be out shortly, that despite this change in the clinical landscape, gays can still be cured. I expect to hear that the power of God is greater than any misguided science, and it's still possible to pray away the gay. Fundamentalists believe in little science, and especially not in any science that conflicts with their own interpretation of the Bible.

    So look for the impact of this news to extend little beyond the behavioral sciences community, and for the beliefs and tactics of fundamentalists and political right wingers to change not at all. After all, what has science ever had to do with them, except to be twisted and distorted to match their religious & ideological goals.
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    QUOTE Apr 11, 2012 9:09 PM GMT
    Shocking!! SHOCKING I say!!!!
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    QUOTE Apr 11, 2012 11:53 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThis development should seriously undermine, if not destroy, the gay-to-straight conversion scams being run by the likes of Michele Bachmann's husband. SHOULD, but sadly won't.

    The spin will be out shortly, that despite this change in the clinical landscape, gays can still be cured. I expect to hear that the power of God is greater than any misguided science, and it's still possible to pray away the gay. Fundamentalists believe in little science, and especially not in any science that conflicts with their own interpretation of the Bible.

    So look for the impact of this news to extend little beyond the behavioral sciences community, and for the beliefs and tactics of fundamentalists and political right wingers to change not at all. After all, what has science ever had to do with them, except to be twisted and distorted to their match their religious & ideological goals.


    I think this is well stated.
  • metta8 Posts: 25236
    QUOTE May 30, 2012 9:40 PM GMT

    Researcher Who Disavowed His Own Study: Ex-Gay Advocates Are ‘Full Of Hatred For Homosexuality’




    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/30/492195/ex-gay-researcher/
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    QUOTE May 30, 2012 9:58 PM GMT
    I think a bisexual guy can live a straight life and have sex only with a woman but as far as being happy or true to himself - not so much.
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    QUOTE May 30, 2012 10:21 PM GMT
    The thing is, that while we have bisexuals who make claims like "they just turned gay", people are going to call then that gay can then be turned back to straight; many bisexual give the wrong illusion that gay is a choice, we for many of them who lived many years as a straight family man, then decide to give that up to live the gay lifestyle it is; but not for us Bonafide Homosexuals.
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    QUOTE May 30, 2012 10:31 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidThe thing is, that while we have bisexuals who make claims like "they just turned gay", people are going to call then that gay can then be turned back to straight; many bisexual give the wrong illusion that gay is a choice, we for many of them who lived many years as a straight family man, then decide to give that up to live the gay lifestyle it is; but not for us Bonafide Homosexuals.
    For once, I finally agree with you. Mark this day down in history. icon_lol.gif
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    QUOTE May 30, 2012 10:34 PM GMT
    braddomo saidI think a bisexual guy can live a straight life and have sex only with a woman but as far as being happy or true to himself - not so much.
    That argument is invalid. If a bi guy wants a monogamous relationship, then once he finds a partner - male or female - he will be happy and true to himself.
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    QUOTE Jun 01, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    braddomo saidI think a bisexual guy can live a straight life and have sex only with a woman but as far as being happy or true to himself - not so much.
    That argument is invalid. If a bi guy wants a monogamous relationship, then once he finds a partner - male or female - he will be happy and true to himself.


    But they are still promoting homosexuality is a choice, thus they need to stop condemning people who promote this when their actions back it up. Now if they were being true to themselves they would never taken a wife or two, and deprived them of bona fide love now would they, some of them seem like very self serving indiviguals to me. I mean to say once may of been a big mistake twice was calculated.
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    QUOTE Jun 01, 2012 5:40 AM GMT
    May Dr. Spitzer rest in peace.
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    QUOTE Jun 01, 2012 10:36 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidThe thing is, that while we have bisexuals who make claims like "they just turned gay", people are going to call then that gay can then be turned back to straight; many bisexual give the wrong illusion that gay is a choice, we for many of them who lived many years as a straight family man, then decide to give that up to live the gay lifestyle it is; but not for us Bonafide Homosexuals.


    "bonafide"
    lol

    Agree that behavior is a choice, orientation is not. Added to the above comments on bis, there is the also the fact that many gays call themselves bi before they come out/realize what they are. That adds to people's confusion, makes them think that we all choose what we are.

    I don't think bisexuals give the wrong "illusion" that being gay is a choice, though; a bi chooses who to date or who to be with, just like gays and straights do. But for bis, they can be a man or a woman, so they do choose whether to be in an opposite-sex or same-sex relationship.

    The world is a lot nicer to straight-identified people than it is to gays, so many bis find it easier to date / marry the opposite sex. It's a shame, but it's not their fault.