If it’s Obama vs. Romney, the battle for the Jews is on from Haaretz News

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    Apr 11, 2012 5:51 PM GMT
    "Rick Santorum’s departure from the Republican presidential race means that America probably won’t witness the kind of now or never, black-or-white, life or death campaign that is par for the course in Israeli elections. And in a race that now seems to be bound for the heart of the American center, Barack Obama and the presumptive Republican candidate Mitt Romney will be waging fierce battle for the support of American Jews as well."

    By Chemi Shalev:

    "During those few fleeting moments in the past few months when it appeared that a Santorum candidacy was a realistic scenario – before the Michigan or Ohio primaries, for example – the prospects for an all out “kulturkampf” between Christian conservatives and largely secular liberals loomed large indeed. American commentators described the potential match up between Santorum as Obama as the fiercest ideological confrontation since Barry Goldwater was the Republican candidate in 1964.

    In such an all or nothing showdown against Santorum, Obama’s overwhelming victory in the American Jewish community was a foregone conclusion. The no-holds-barred, take-no-prisoners Christian-family-values culture war that Santorum insisted on fomenting would have driven all but the most religious of Jews straight into outstretched Democratic arms. Even those Jewish voters who detest Obama’s policies towards the Jewish state would have “held their noses inside the ballot box”, as the Israeli saying goes, and cast their votes for Obama.

    Romney, on the other hand, stands a fighting chance of making inroads among the 78% or so of the Jews who voted for Obama in 2008. If he can allay Jewish concerns about the influence of Christian conservatives on his social agenda, Romney might convert enough Jewish votes in places where it could theoretically make a very big difference. If he keeps Obama at or around the 62% of the Jewish vote that a recent survey of the Public Religion Research Institute gave him"

    "All of this assumes, of course, that the Republican race is truly over: that Romney won’t trip over himself as he tends to do when he’s ahead, that Republicans in the southern and Midwest states slated to vote in May primaries won’t be swayed by Newt Gingrich’s new play as “the last conservative left standing” and that Sheldon Adelson, of course, won’t decide to give Newt another fighting chance after all."


    So what do you think, will Obama keep this voting block or will Romney take a lot of them in spite of Romney's religious beliefs such as this commentor lavi of Seattle brought out:

    10 36 View > Romney Now Has His Campaigning Supportive Sound Bites Of Israel In Public For Their Consumption But In The Private Inner Chambers Of His Mormon Temple Where He Retreats To & Where He Truly Believes That America Is Actually The Promised Land & Where The New Jerusalem Will Also Descend, How Will He Treat The Real Israel If He Comes To Rule Holding The Highest Office Of The World Powers?


    So what do you think ? Who wins with this voting block ?
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    Apr 11, 2012 7:13 PM GMT
    Your obsession with Jews is disturbing.
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    Apr 11, 2012 9:35 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidYour obsession with Jews is disturbing.



    Are you blind by choice or lack of interest/concern for todays reality troy athlete ? Wake up and start reading, its for your own good !!!


    it just so happens that these issues are directly involved with the Jewish/Israeli Lobby AIPAC and is directly involved in promoting two wars, (Afghanistan and Iraq) that killed over 5000 of our American Soldiers, and this group being backed by our republican Christian Fundi's is directly involved with pushing yet another war on us, this one in Iran.

    The other aspect of the Jewish Israeli Lobby AIPAC vote and its influence on the Christian Fundi Republican vote, is that it is directly involved with policies and foreign policy giving 'Carte Blanche' approval to Israeli leadership atrocities against its neighbors, which translates into the US having problems as the CIA puts it, with 'blowback terrorism' against us all over the world, as well as the US being seen along with Israel as responsible for lack of peace in the Middle East.


    So Open your eyes Troy Athlete, the Jewish Israeli Lobby AIPAC vote happens to be one of the major issues of our time. Do you get it now ?


    Also of interest, most Jewish Americans are against the Israeli leaderships atrocities in the form of settlement theft of Palestine land and against their pushing for the US to take up war with Iran.


    So why are you for what most American Jewish voters are against ?

    Purhaps you should work against the Republican lies told to attract the Jewish Voters and the American Christian Fundi's, You know it is in your and my own interest to be informed and concerned. Silence just promotes the status quo where Israel is concerned and is very very costly to we American Taxpayers.


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    Apr 11, 2012 10:48 PM GMT
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    TroyAthlete saidYour obsession with Jews is disturbing.


    I thought the OP (and the thread title) was an article from Israel's leading journal, TroyAthlete? Maybe it'd be best to ask the editors of Ha'aretz about their "obsession" with "Jews".


    No, because it makes sense for a Jewish state's leading journal to be concerned with Jewish issues. Conversely, it's disturbing when a person continually carpet bombs an online forum with topics about 'Jews' over and over and over again.

    Given your cognitive dissonance, I don't expect you to be able to fully grasp the difference between Israel and the RealJock forums.
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    Apr 12, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
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    Pouncer said
    TroyAthlete saidYour obsession with Jews is disturbing.


    I thought the OP (and the thread title) was an article from Israel's leading journal, TroyAthlete? Maybe it'd be best to ask the editors of Ha'aretz about their "obsession" with "Jews".


    No, because it makes sense for a Jewish state's leading journal to be concerned with Jewish issues. Conversely, it's disturbing when a person continually carpet bombs an online forum with topics about 'Jews' over and over and over again.

    Given your cognitive dissonance, I don't expect you to be able to fully grasp the difference between Israel and the RealJock forums.







    Troy Athlete, step back and read what you wrote, its astoundingly off the mark on this subject. I have to wonder and ask you, is there something frightening you about this very important topic ? How did you miss that this is an article in an Israeli Paper about our US politcs where israeli's and US citizens are concerned, or at least should be, aren't you ?

    Have you done any reading at all about the fragile position the US in in over this faction that might just push us into another war ? Do you care about the position another war would put us in? This voting block is important along with the affects of their lobby pushing war on them too. Wake up man !!
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    Apr 12, 2012 2:01 AM GMT
    and this group being backed by our republican Christian Fundi's is directly involved with pushing yet another war on us.g.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 4:37 AM GMT
    LOL !!! And some wonder why we bring up these subjects. just before the last comment before this one of mine appeared the following advertisement from the Israeli Lobby AIPAC:



    STOP IRAN (with a picture of what looks like Irans bombs bringing destruction to Israel) then the ad went on to say SUPPORT ISRAEL BY BUYING A US/ISRAELI FLAG


    What are these kinds of adds for but to promote the Israeli Lobby AIPAC propaganda that Iran is evil and that we must join Israel in war so it can protect itself. Such adds are nothing but a lie.



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    Apr 13, 2012 3:08 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidYour obsession with Jews is disturbing.





    Indeed.

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    Apr 13, 2012 3:17 AM GMT
    Webster666 said
    TroyAthlete saidYour obsession with Jews is disturbing.





    Indeed.





    AYEEE GOD !!!!! tell that to the Jewish writers at Haaretz news who wrote this article to inform people like you two whiners who have such fear of the word Jew being used in our national dialog. Read the F'n article and get over it for christs sake !!!!