I am utterly stunned by the circus..

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    Apr 12, 2012 2:01 AM GMT
    The Zimmerman family is producing! First I watched an interview Robert Zimmerman Sr (his dad,the retired magistrate judge from VA) did AGAINST the advice of both lawyers AND the police department for fox On the 29th of march, And then tonight his brother Robert Jr. with Piers Morgan..

    The utter twisting and downright lies that have been proven as fact already, even by his own brother's admissions, were so bad Morgan didnt know what to do!

    Did anyone else see this?

    His dad is spewing Obama 'hate' etc etc.. his brother states that George was almost dead, omg......................

    Have any of you seen the surveillance tapes from the police station? Yup! its no wonder the special prosecutor charged him.. you cant make this shit up.. seriously!
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    Apr 12, 2012 2:07 AM GMT
    I didn't catch those interviews. I'll have to check them out on YouTube.

    For a guy who was almost dead, he sure did have an easy time getting out of the squad car and walking the halls of the police station icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 2:10 AM GMT

    In contrast, Trayvon Martin's parents have been speaking with calmness, dignity and surprisingly, compassion.
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    Apr 12, 2012 2:18 AM GMT
    mke_bt said
    In contrast, Trayvon Martin's parents have been speaking with calmness, dignity and surprisingly, compassion.
    I agree..... and to hear his brother tonight say that George didnt call 911 to report Trayon but to tell them "there have been alot of burglarys in the neighborhood and that the police should be in the area" was as bad as 'trayon had plans for george that night"!

    yikes!
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    Apr 12, 2012 2:24 AM GMT
    The investigation of the Trayvon Martin case needs to include a thorough investigation of whether Zimmerman's father contacted the FL state attorney's office to pressure them to not charge his son.

    The Sanford police department - to their credit - wanted to charge Zimmerman Jr. - but the FL state attorney's office denied their request to indict George Zimmerman.

    Did Zimmerman Sr. - a former judge - pull strings to try to help his son (literally) get away with murder?

    The facts need to come out.
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    Apr 12, 2012 2:34 AM GMT
    RickRick91 saidThe investigation of the Trayvon Martin case needs to include a thorough investigation of whether Zimmerman's father contacted the FL state attorney's office to pressure them to not charge his son.

    The Sanford police department - to their credit - wanted to charge Zimmerman Jr. - but the FL state attorney's office denied their request to indict George Zimmerman.

    Did Zimmerman Sr. - a former judge - pull strings to try to help his son (literally) get away with murder?

    The facts need to come out.
    I think the picture will change dramatically!icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 2:36 AM GMT
    I think it's telling that we're not hearing much from the RJ Repubs on this case tonight.

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    Apr 12, 2012 2:46 AM GMT
    RickRick91 saidI think it's telling that we're not hearing much from the RJ Repubs on this case tonight.

    Except conservajerk.. whom apparently doesnt listen to what people actually say.. then says they said something they didnt!icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 3:29 AM GMT
    RickRick91 saidI think it's telling that we're not hearing much from the RJ Repubs on this case tonight.



    Sorry, at the gym. But have been pretty buried with work the last couple of weeks so I've been pretty quiet.
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    Apr 12, 2012 4:14 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said

    The facts need to come out.
    I think the picture will change dramatically!icon_wink.gif


    I absolutely agree, as I am sure everyone does, that the facts have to come out...and they will. However, there is still a whole lot of misinformation out there, rumor, and innuendo that is muddying up the water and, I would suspect, is making it problematic for the prosecution. People need to just chill and let this play out. TM, you say when the fact come out "the picture will change dramatically", but this could work both ways. I saw the interview on Piers Morgan tonight and I have to say that Robert Zimmerman comes off as extremely bright, articulate, and composed. He didn't come off at all to me like he was lying or trying to sell a bunch of BS. I truly believe he believes what he is saying is the truth -- and for all we know much of it may be. We simply do not know all the facts. I also thought the State Attorney Angela Corey seemed extremely earnest. She made it very clear that the investigation had been going on from the get-go, which blows the whole notion that no investigation would have taken place had the public outcry not happened right out of the water. That simply was not the case. Because of the "Stand Your Ground" law, it has been a problematic case for law enforcement, and the media and public brouhaha just made it worse.
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    Apr 12, 2012 4:15 AM GMT
    RickRick91 saidI think it's telling that we're not hearing much from the RJ Repubs on this case tonight.




    Oh shut up! Sheeesh! God forbid we'd actually have lives. icon_rolleyes.gif This has absolutely ZERO to do with politics. This is about a teenager getting killed, and the reasons behind why that happened -- period. It's has nothing to do with politics.
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    Apr 12, 2012 4:16 AM GMT
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    TropicalMark said

    The facts need to come out.
    I think the picture will change dramatically!icon_wink.gif


    I absolutely agree, as I am sure everyone does, that the facts have to come out...and they will. However, there is still a whole lot of misinformation out there, rumor, and innuendo that is muddying up the water and, I would suspect, is making it problematic for the prosecution. People need to just chill and let this play out. TM, you say when the fact come out "the picture will change dramatically", but this could work both ways. I saw the interview on Piers Morgan tonight and I have to say that Robert Zimmerman comes off as extremely bright, articulate, and composed. He didn't come off at all to me like he was lying or trying to sell a bunch of BS. I truly believe he believes what he is saying is the truth -- and for all we know much of it may be. We simply do not know all the facts. I also thought the State Attorney Angela Corey seemed extremely earnest. She made it very clear that the investigation had been going on from the get-go, which blows the whole notion that no investigation would have taken place had the public outcry not happened right out of the water. That simply was not the case. Because of the "Stand Your Ground" law, it has been a problematic case for law enforcement, and the media and public brouhaha just made it worse.
    Todd, c'mon Piers had him cornered several times and his story kept changing..........icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 4:19 AM GMT
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    TropicalMark said.. an interview Robert Zimmerman Sr (his dad,the retired magistrate judge from VA)


    Well that explains why the charges were delayed. I smell a lawsuit.


    If proven true it would be worse than a lawsuit.
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    Apr 12, 2012 4:27 AM GMT
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    Todd, c'mon Piers had him cornered several times and his story kept changing..........icon_wink.gif


    I didn't see it as Piers had him cornered. I see it as Piers, like so many people, think he knows the truth, but the fact is that he, nor no one else but the authorities and George Zimmerman knows the truth. However, the truth will come out, and the chips will fall where they may once that happens. You can't blame Robert Zimmerman for taking his brother at his word and standing up for him. All I am saying is that maybe, just maybe, Robert Zimmerman is privy to more information than we or Piers Morgan is at this point. I actually thought Robert Zimmerman held his ground quite well against Piers Morgan.

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    Apr 12, 2012 4:33 AM GMT
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    TropicalMark said

    The facts need to come out.
    I think the picture will change dramatically!icon_wink.gif


    I absolutely agree, as I am sure everyone does, that the facts have to come out...and they will. However, there is still a whole lot of misinformation out there, rumor, and innuendo that is muddying up the water and, I would suspect, is making it problematic for the prosecution. People need to just chill and let this play out. TM, you say when the fact come out "the picture will change dramatically", but this could work both ways. I saw the interview on Piers Morgan tonight and I have to say that Robert Zimmerman comes off as extremely bright, articulate, and composed. He didn't come off at all to me like he was lying or trying to sell a bunch of BS. I truly believe he believes what he is saying is the truth -- and for all we know much of it may be. We simply do not know all the facts. I also thought the State Attorney Angela Corey seemed extremely earnest. She made it very clear that the investigation had been going on from the get-go, which blows the whole notion that no investigation would have taken place had the public outcry not happened right out of the water. That simply was not the case. Because of the "Stand Your Ground" law, it has been a problematic case for law enforcement, and the media and public brouhaha just made it worse.


    There is just no end to your relentless need to litigate on George Zimmerman's behalf, is there?
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    Apr 12, 2012 5:48 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    There is just no end to your relentless need to litigate on George Zimmerman's behalf, is there?


    I am not litigating for George Zimmerman. I am litigating for a fair trial and the truth to come out. If George Zimmerman is guilty of 2nd degree murder, he should suffer the consequences. Have I not said that from the get-go? Listen up, Christian. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TropicalMark said

    The facts need to come out.
    I think the picture will change dramatically!icon_wink.gif


    I absolutely agree, as I am sure everyone does, that the facts have to come out...and they will. However, there is still a whole lot of misinformation out there, rumor, and innuendo that is muddying up the water and, I would suspect, is making it problematic for the prosecution. People need to just chill and let this play out. TM, you say when the fact come out "the picture will change dramatically", but this could work both ways. I saw the interview on Piers Morgan tonight and I have to say that Robert Zimmerman comes off as extremely bright, articulate, and composed. He didn't come off at all to me like he was lying or trying to sell a bunch of BS. I truly believe he believes what he is saying is the truth -- and for all we know much of it may be. We simply do not know all the facts. I also thought the State Attorney Angela Corey seemed extremely earnest. She made it very clear that the investigation had been going on from the get-go, which blows the whole notion that no investigation would have taken place had the public outcry not happened right out of the water. That simply was not the case. Because of the "Stand Your Ground" law, it has been a problematic case for law enforcement, and the media and public brouhaha just made it worse.


    There is just no end to your relentless need to litigate on George Zimmerman's behalf, is there?


    Not only that he is still lying and re-writing history.

    Ms. Corey did not say her investigation was going all along. That could not have happened, as she was not assigned to the case until AFTER the original prosecutor was recused for...wait for it...his truncated and botched investigation. CJAZ is lying in order to minimize the role that protests played in making sure that there was a full investigation. This is an obvious lie, easily exposed.

    Second of all, Ms. Corey made clear that from a prosecutorial standpoint, Stand Your Ground has nothing to do with the investigation of the case -- that is a defense's prerogative. If Stand Your Ground applied from a prosecution standpoint, she would not be able to even prosecute the case. Thus, there's no possible way that Stand Your Ground laws hindered the enforcement or application of the law.

    CJAZ is lying once again because he thinks Zimmerman is a hero. CJAZ is beneath contempt.
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    Todd, c'mon Piers had him cornered several times and his story kept changing..........icon_wink.gif


    I didn't see it as Piers had him cornered. I see it as Piers, like so many people, think he knows the truth, but the fact is that he, nor no one else but the authorities and George Zimmerman knows the truth. However, the truth will come out, and the chips will fall where they may once that happens. You can't blame Robert Zimmerman for taking his brother at his word and standing up for him. All I am saying is that maybe, just maybe, Robert Zimmerman is privy to more information than we or Piers Morgan is at this point. I actually thought Robert Zimmerman held his ground quite well against Piers Morgan.

    Really? Then explain to all of us about "why did george call 911".. lets hear YOUR version since we got his brothers last night and it damn sure wasnt what the world and prosecutors heard.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 12:38 PM GMT
    I find a political angle with this whole event to be very troubling with a
    taint of really dark bullshit.

    I was pleased to see what the State Attorney produced.... now let the system play out and hopefully with a review of facts, not opinion and not a sideshow on TV networks will produce a carefully reasoned result by
    a jury.
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    Apr 12, 2012 1:20 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said[Corey] was not assigned to the case until AFTER the original prosecutor was recused for...wait for it...his truncated and botched investigation. CJAZ is lying in order to minimize the role that protests played in making sure that there was a full investigation. This is an obvious lie, easily exposed.

    A Florida Governor appointing one prosecutor to replace another in the middle of an investigation is a very rare occurrence. And it didn't happen until this whole Martin case exploded in the media around the world, with millions of petitioners calling for a shakeup and action. To try to portray this as business as usual, with no connection to the unprecedented public outrage, is, as you say, an obvious lie easily exposed.
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    Apr 12, 2012 2:59 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidReally? Then explain to all of us about "why did george call 911".. lets hear YOUR version since we got his brothers last night and it damn sure wasnt what the world and prosecutors heard.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif



    I don't know, you heard the same call I did. Sounded to me like he was concerned about what he deemed a suspicious looking character (Martin) walking through a neighborhood with a hoody in the rain. Based on the fact that there were robberies in that neighborhood, the idea that Zimmerman called 911 is not exactly out of the ordinary. In fact, the fact that he called 911 at all, in my opinion, helps his claim of self defense. Even Trayvon Martin's own mother stated on TODAY this morning that she thinks it was "an accident".
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    Apr 12, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    Ms. Corey did not say her investigation was going all along.


    I didn't say that is what she said. What I said that she pointed out that there was an investigation going on from the get-go and that when she took over 3 weeks ago a lot of investigation had already been completed. Don't take MY word for it, listen to the press conference.

    TroyAthlete said
    CJAZ is lying in order to minimize the role that protests played in making sure that there was a full investigation. This is an obvious lie, easily exposed.


    The only real roll the protests played was to turn this whole investigation into a 3-ring-circus --- which is usually what happens once that race-baiting media whore Al Sharpton gets involved.



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    CJAZ is lying once again because he thinks Zimmerman is a hero. CJAZ is beneath contempt.


    You're a real piece of work. Feel free to post a single post I have made in which I even so much as hinted at thinking George Zimmerman is a hero. You are the liar -- a total idiot and shit stirrer and utter coward. No wonder you can't bare to show your face in a public profile.
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    TropicalMark saidReally? Then explain to all of us about "why did george call 911".. lets hear YOUR version since we got his brothers last night and it damn sure wasnt what the world and prosecutors heard.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif



    I don't know, you heard the same call I did. Sounded to me like he was concerned about what he deemed a suspicious looking character (Martin) walking through a neighborhood with a hoody in the rain. Based on the fact that there were robberies in that neighborhood, the idea that Zimmerman called 911 is not exactly out of the ordinary. In fact, the fact that he called 911 at all, in my opinion, helps his claim of self defense. Even Trayvon Martin's own mother stated on TODAY this morning that she thinks it was "an accident".
    Uh yeah! However his brother stated he( george) didnt call 911 other than to say "there were alot of recent breakins in his neighborhood and that police 'should' be in the area".. his brother denied live on television that his brother called 911 because of Trayvon!

    Replay the interview Todd! Even Piers was stunned at that gem!
    As far as Trayvons mom goes, CONTEXT Todd, context!

    “I believe it was an accident, I believe that it just got out of control and he couldn’t turn the clock back," she said. "I would ask him, 'Did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager and that he did not have a weapon?'” she added.


    You know better!icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidReally? Then explain to all of us about "why did george call 911".. lets hear YOUR version since we got his brothers last night and it damn sure wasnt what the world and prosecutors heard.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif



    I don't know, you heard the same call I did. Sounded to me like he was concerned about what he deemed a suspicious looking character (Martin) walking through a neighborhood with a hoody in the rain. Based on the fact that there were robberies in that neighborhood, the idea that Zimmerman called 911 is not exactly out of the ordinary. In fact, the fact that he called 911 at all, in my opinion, helps his claim of self defense. Even Trayvon Martin's own mother stated on TODAY this morning that she thinks it was "an accident".


    I didn't know "walking while black" was enough cause to make one "suspicious looking". A hoodie is suspicious? walking in the rain? If Trayvon Martin were white, would Zimmerman have treated him with similar suspicion? Doubtful.

    You just said you think he was acting in self-defense because he called 911. What a really dumb argument.
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    Apr 12, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
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    I didn't know "walking while black" was enough cause to make one "suspicious looking". A hoodie is suspicious? walking in the rain? If Trayvon Martin were white, would Zimmerman have treated him with similar suspicion? Doubtful.



    George Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch person in that community. It stands to reason that he knows who lives in that community. Trayvon Martin not only doesn't live in that community, he vaguely matched the description of the person (or persons) witnesses had seen in the community surrounding recent break-ins within that community. Because of this, he called 911 to report what he deemed a suspicious person. Whether you or I think he was suspicious is irrelevant. George Zimmerman did, and he acted accordingly by calling 911. I don't see that as exactly out of the ordinary. I am sure at the time he had absolutely no idea that the situation would escalate to the level in which he would shoot someone and the victim would be killed.