Gay Republican?

  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 12, 2012 4:39 AM GMT
    I'm not going to pretend that I care for the never ending circus known as politics, but I really don't understand this anomaly (and yes it is an anomly in every sense of the word). Would someone like southbeach or conservativejoe care to explain what draws you to a party that is fundamentally against your existence and well-being? I have taken a naive stance on this matter I'll admit.

    This topic is meant to be informative for others (but mostly for myself).. I doubt it will stay that way for long. I don't have any animosity towards anyone on this site, and I understand politics brings out the worst in people. Please Democrats, hold the banter to a dull roar. I didn't make this topic to ignite a flame war, but all I can do is ask that you be civil.............icon_neutral.gif

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    Apr 12, 2012 4:43 AM GMT
    icon_idea.gif Well, if you didn't want a flame war, you could have just messaged them privately. icon_wink.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 12, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
    TheBizMan saidI'm not going to pretend that I care for the never ending circus known as politics, but I really don't understand this anomaly (and yes it is an anomly in every sense of the word). Would someone like southbeach or conservativejoe care to explain what draws you to a party that is fundamentally against your existence and well-being? I have taken a naive stance on this matter I'll admit.


    I think this subject has been discussed here at RJ ad nauseam...it's a lose-lose situation for any of us who MIGHT vote Republican to try and make you or anyone else understand. For one thing, we don't need to justify our vote to anyone, anymore than you need to justify your vote. We each have ONE VOTE, and the right to exercise that vote any way we choose. Your assertion that the Republican party is, in your words, "fundamentally against our existence and well being" is, in my opinion, fundamentally melodramatic.
  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 12, 2012 4:48 AM GMT
    Could have, but didn't.

    Let's see how civil the RJ politics section can be.

    Not that that's the point of this thread.
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  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 12, 2012 4:50 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TheBizMan saidI'm not going to pretend that I care for the never ending circus known as politics, but I really don't understand this anomaly (and yes it is an anomly in every sense of the word). Would someone like southbeach or conservativejoe care to explain what draws you to a party that is fundamentally against your existence and well-being? I have taken a naive stance on this matter I'll admit.


    I think this subject has been discussed here at RJ ad nauseam...it's a lose-lose situation for any of us who MIGHT vote Republican to try and make you or anyone else understand. For one thing, we don't need to justify our vote to anyone, anymore than you need to justify your vote. We each have ONE VOTE, and the right to exercise that vote any way we choose. Your assertion that the Republican party is, in your words, "fundamentally against our existence and well being" is, in my opinion, fundamentally melodramatic.

    I'm not asking you to justify your vote. I want to understand your mindset.
  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 12, 2012 4:51 AM GMT
    Feel free to message me if you actually care enough to explain.
  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 12, 2012 4:52 AM GMT
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    All I see is you trying to make it into a flame war...
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    Apr 12, 2012 4:58 AM GMT
    TheBizMan said
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    All I see is you trying to make it into a flame war...



    I'm just playing. icon_wink.gif I've been here longer than you and I know how this usually ends (although I see you're attempting to do things differently.)
  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 12, 2012 5:03 AM GMT
    Well I am genuinely interested after all.

    If the RJ republicans have the same attitude as CuriousJockAZ, that being, "We do not have to explain anything to you", then messaging them is equally as futile as making this topic.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 12, 2012 5:38 AM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    I'm not asking you to justify your vote. I want to understand your mindset.


    Well, I can only speak for myself, and we all probably have our own unique "mindset" and factors that we consider in level of importance when voting for a President. Here are a few of mine in order of important....

    #1 - What Kind Of Man/Woman Does He/She Appear to be? I look at the family he/she has raised, the length of his/her marriage. I think this speaks volumes. This is one of the reasons I admired Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman this go around. One of the reasons I didn't admire Newt Gingrich.

    #2 - His Experience -- I generally prefer a Governor who has run a state, over a senator or a congressman/woman. I think it's important to have that under your belt, though probably not essential. What has he/she done outside of politics. Is he/she a career politician, or has he/she succeeded in other areas. This is one of the reasons I like what I see in Mitt Romney. He is a proven leader and an American success story in his own right. His work bringing the Salt Lake Winter Olympics back from the abyss was impressive, and his success in business on an international scale is important hands-on experience that he can bring to the Presidency in today's global economy.

    #3 - Is He?She Someone who Can Unify The Country And, More Importantly, The Congress? I actually had great hopes for Obama, once he was elected (though I did not vote for him) to bring the country together. However, what he appeared to do is tear it even further apart. This was a disappointment for me and, in my opinion, one of his greatest failures. While he is an immensely likable man, I don't think he has proven to be the greatest leader. We need someone who means business...who means make the tough decisions and get the country to come onboard business. Obama has not proven capable to have that kind of power. In short, he is no Ronald Reagan.

    #4 - How Would He/She Represent the USA To Foreign Leaders? I have full confidence that a President Romney would make America proud around the world. I think he has the stature, charisma, and temperament to be effective in Foreign Affairs. I think he has the potential to be Reaganesque in that area and, unlike Obama, he will be forceful, but diplomatic, and not apologize or make excuses for the USA. He will negotiate from a place of power. We need to get back to the concept of "Peace through strength".

    #5 - How Will He/She Handle Some Of The Social Issues Of Our Time?I understand that Mitt Romney has had to campaign a certain way to gain the nomination -- this, unfortunately, is politics. That said, my gut tells me that he will govern as a moderate, and far more liberal than people would ever expect when it comes to social issues. I fully expect him to remain fully committed to a "pro-life" stance, and that is fine with me. I do not believe that he is, or that he will govern as "anti-gay", but I don't necessarily expect him to jump on the pro "Gay Marriage" bandwagon either. I do, however, believe that he would endorse a move toward "civil unions" and I also believe that, should congress strike down the DOM act, that he wouldn't fight that either. #1 thru #4 are so much more important in the bigger picture that #5 sort of pales in significance -- at least in MY personal life when it comes to voting factors.
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    Apr 12, 2012 6:55 AM GMT
    It took me a long long time to understand why on earth the RJ Repubs are such vehement passionate knee jerk defenders and supporters of the Repub party - even though the Repubs support a clearly anti-gay agenda - and even though the Repub record on handling the economy is GODAWFUL.

    I finally realized that it comes down to one single issue.

    The RJ Repubs LOVE and will do ANYTHING to keep receiving the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

    It's personal greed that motivates them.
    The RJ Repubs are willing to accept being treated as second class citizens by the Repubs - if the Repubs will keep taxes on the rich as low as possible.

    Our RJ Repub friends are single issue voters.
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  • JP85257

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    Apr 12, 2012 7:01 AM GMT
    Oy. Not this question again.
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    Apr 12, 2012 8:23 AM GMT
    Research organizations such as Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud and you will get some ideas. Some of my considerations:

    1) Not died-in-the-wool Republicans but support them in particular contests.

    2) Am concerned that the left wing of the Democratic Party is moving the country in a terrible direction economically. Fundamentally disagree with their policies.

    3) Disagree with the foreign policies of this administration.

    4) Democrats do not rush to support gay issues, but give more lip service.
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    Apr 12, 2012 10:15 AM GMT
    JP85257 saidOy. Not this question again.



    I mean it's no diffrent to straight lads asking time and time agin, how can two guys do that with each other.
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    Apr 12, 2012 1:04 PM GMT
    Oh god. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 7:23 PM GMT
    Gay conservatives are greedy self loathing individuals. Pretty much sums it up...
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    Apr 12, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TheBizMan said
    I'm not asking you to justify your vote. I want to understand your mindset.


    Well, I can only speak for myself, and we all probably have our own unique "mindset" and factors that we consider in level of importance when voting for a President. Here are a few of mine in order of important....

    #1 - What Kind Of Man/Woman Does He/She Appear to be? I look at the family he/she has raised, the length of his/her marriage. I think this speaks volumes. This is one of the reasons I admired Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman this go around. One of the reasons I didn't admire Newt Gingrich. Interesting, that means a gay candidate is totally out of the question for you. ok!

    #2 - His Experience -- I generally prefer a Governor who has run a state, over a senator or a congressman/woman. I think it's important to have that under your belt, though probably not essential. What has he/she done outside of politics. Is he/she a career politician, or has he/she succeeded in other areas. This is one of the reasons I like what I see in Mitt Romney. He is a proven leader and an American success story in his own right. His work bringing the Salt Lake Winter Olympics back from the abyss was impressive, and his success in business on an international scale is important hands-on experience that he can bring to the Presidency in today's global economy.

    #3 - Is He?She Someone who Can Unify The Country And, More Importantly, The Congress? I actually had great hopes for Obama, once he was elected (though I did not vote for him) to bring the country together. However, what he appeared to do is tear it even further apart.Kinda hard when half of the legislators had only one goal "to see this president is a one termer" from day one! Remember that one? I do! This was a disappointment for me and, in my opinion, one of his greatest failures. While he is an immensely likable man, I don't think he has proven to be the greatest leader. We need someone who means business...who means make the tough decisions and get the country to come onboard business. Obama has not proven capable to have that kind of power. In short, he is no Ronald Reagan.

    #4 - How Would He/She Represent the USA To Foreign Leaders? I have full confidence that a President Romney would make America proud around the world. I think he has the stature, charisma, and temperament to be effective in Foreign Affairs. I think he has the potential to be Reaganesque in that area and, unlike Obama, he will be forceful, but diplomatic, and not apologize or make excuses for the USA. He will negotiate from a place of power. We need to get back to the concept of "Peace through strength".He may have called the Soviet Union an "evil empire," but he was not above negotiating with it. While others saw the enmity between the superpowers as immutable, he insisted that change was possible. And though today he is revered by foreign policy hawks, Reagan's greatest successes were achieved not through the use of force but by persuasion, dialogue and diplomacy.

    #5 - How Will He/She Handle Some Of The Social Issues Of Our Time?I understand that Mitt Romney has had to campaign a certain way to gain the nomination -- this, unfortunately, is politics. That said, my gut tells me that he will govern as a moderate, and far more liberal than people would ever expect when it comes to social issues. I fully expect him to remain fully committed to a "pro-life" stance, and that is fine with me. I do not believe that he is, or that he will govern as "anti-gay", but I don't necessarily expect him to jump on the pro "Gay Marriage" bandwagon either. I do, however, believe that he would endorse a move toward "civil unions" and I also believe that, should congress strike down the DOM act, that he wouldn't fight that either. #1 thru #4 are so much more important in the bigger picture that #5 sort of pales in significance -- at least in MY personal life when it comes to voting factors.
    Thats a no brainer.. We knew that about youInteresting.
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    Apr 12, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
    Gay Republicans agree more with the Republican party's platform than with the Democratic party's platform

    GOP platform: http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/
    Dem platform: http://www.democrats.org/about/party_platform

    It's not that difficult.
  • conservativej...

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    Apr 12, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 saidGay conservatives are greedy self loathing individuals. Pretty much sums it up...


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    Now SouthBeach, that fish is a Democrat. It's a Scum Sucking Bottom Dweller. Lol!!!
  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 12, 2012 10:49 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidOy. Not this question again.


    Yes this question again.. wanna fight about it? icon_evil.gif
  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 12, 2012 10:51 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidGay Republicans agree more with the Republican party's platform than with the Democratic party's platform

    GOP platform: http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/
    Dem platform: http://www.democrats.org/about/party_platform

    It's not that difficult.


    I don't like watered down lemonade. I'll pass on this response
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    Apr 13, 2012 1:03 AM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    TroyAthlete saidGay Republicans agree more with the Republican party's platform than with the Democratic party's platform

    GOP platform: http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/
    Dem platform: http://www.democrats.org/about/party_platform

    It's not that difficult.


    I don't like watered down lemonade. I'll pass on this response


    How bout this one: Gay conservatives dont define themselves by their gayness, they define themselves by their greed and hypocrisy!
  • JP85257

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    Apr 13, 2012 1:17 AM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    JP85257 saidOy. Not this question again.


    Yes this question again.. wanna fight about it? icon_evil.gif

    Id fuck about it.