It's about damn time that the conservatives see that the drug war is huge waste...

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    Apr 12, 2012 10:54 AM GMT
    "...In “Drugs and Drug Policy: What Everyone Needs to Know,” policy analysts Mark Kleiman, Jonathan Caulkins and Angela Hawken argue that imprisoning low-ranking street-corner dealers is pointless: A $200 transaction can cost society $100,000 for a three-year sentence. And imprisoning large numbers of dealers produces an army of people who, emerging from prison with blighted employment prospects, can only deal drugs. Which is why, although a few years ago Washington, D.C., dealers earned an average of $30 an hour, today they earn less than the federal minimum wage ($7.25)."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/should-the-us-legalize-hard-drugs/2012/04/11/gIQAX95QBT_story.html?hpid=z3
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    Apr 12, 2012 8:02 PM GMT
    A similar debate is going on here, but few, if any, politicians have the courage to admit the 'war on drugs' is slowly failing. It would be such a turnabout, policy wise-and the ultimate admission of failure. Their vanity alone stops them from doing so.

    All they`ve done is accelerate the spread of drug use/addiction, filled up the prisons, and handed an enormous amount of money to organized crime.

    It`s sad enough when private individuals want to intoxicate themselves, but criminalizing possession of these substances(to protect us from them, apparently) just makes a bad situation a million times worse. If they had been quietly left legal, as in Victorian times, the situation would be much less severe nowadays.

    Margaret Thatcher once said you can`t 'buck the market' but that`s what these politicians have been trying-and failing -to do for the last few decades, etc.
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    Apr 16, 2012 5:11 AM GMT
    About all the supposed war on drugs is accomplishing is causing the US to hold the world record of per capita incarcerations. The repubs turned even Prisons into a 'privatisation' cause, so some of their best financial supporters are getting rich because of our 'war on drugs' laws, that haven't accomplished a damn thing.
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    Apr 16, 2012 2:10 PM GMT
    On the drug war there is and has been for great many years a perfect bipartisan agreement. Democrats and Republicans are equally guilty for this failed, costly, civil liberties destroying policy. If anything, Obama is trying to increase its scope...
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    Apr 16, 2012 2:38 PM GMT
    Interesting, since we have the failed example of Prohibition in the 1920s and early '30s, another gift to the US by the Right Wing and fundamentalist Christians. And history is unanimous that the unintended consequence of Prohibition was the rise of organized crime, still influential today, and a general decline in the public's respect for the law, turning millions of ordinary citizens into lawbreakers. And straining law enforcement agencies and expending taxpayer money when more important problems languished, just as we're seeing today.
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    Apr 16, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
    Conservatives? It's both sides, liberal and conservative that have been against legalizing drugs.

    There's only one candidate that stands for legalizing drugs and that's Ron Paul and he's actually running as a republican.

    Usually only libertarians are for legalization.
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    Apr 16, 2012 4:39 PM GMT
    History has taught us that prohibition does not work. Of course, those who supply illegal drugs on an industrial scale should be pursued and prosecuted. However, the possession of 'self-use' amounts of drugs should be decriminalised and the funds currently used for drugs law enforcement should be used to promote drug abuse education (especially for the young).

    It is hypocritical for a state (e.g. the UK) to make alcohol consumption legal, while prohibiting the consumption of other drugs. If any other drug caused as much crime and public disorder as alcohol does, there would be a national outcry.
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    Apr 16, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidHistory has taught us that prohibition does not work. Of course, those who supply illegal drugs on an industrial scale should be pursued and prosecuted. However, the possession of 'self-use' amounts of drugs should be decriminalised and the funds currently used for drugs law enforcement should be used to promote drug abuse education (especially for the young).

    It is hypocritical for a state (e.g. the UK) to make alcohol consumption legal, while prohibiting the consumption of other drugs. If any other drug caused as much crime and public disorder as alcohol does, there would be a national outcry.


    It's a very rare occasion when you and I agree ... this is one of them.
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    Apr 16, 2012 9:46 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidConservatives? It's both sides, liberal and conservative that have been against legalizing drugs.

    There's only one candidate that stands for legalizing drugs and that's Ron Paul and he's actually running as a republican.

    Usually only libertarians are for legalization.





    Well actually now that I did a bit more checking up on this, you and Radamisto are right, both parties are guilty of maintaining the status quo that pays for their elections and re-elections.

    When I first responded I was mainly thinking of my state where it was the republicans mainly pushing the privatization that favors more imprisonments for profits.


    Ron Paul has a lot of good ideas, legalization of drugs is another good example.
  • metta

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    Dec 02, 2013 6:51 AM GMT
    Retired Police Captain demolishes the War on Drugs

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    Dec 02, 2013 6:58 AM GMT
    metta8 saidRetired Police Captain demolishes the War on Drugs



    Not going to be much surprise, but I totally agree with him.
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    Dec 02, 2013 12:20 PM GMT
    Caslon said"...In “Drugs and Drug Policy: What Everyone Needs to Know,” policy analysts Mark Kleiman, Jonathan Caulkins and Angela Hawken argue that imprisoning low-ranking street-corner dealers is pointless: A $200 transaction can cost society $100,000 for a three-year sentence. And imprisoning large numbers of dealers produces an army of people who, emerging from prison with blighted employment prospects, can only deal drugs. Which is why, although a few years ago Washington, D.C., dealers earned an average of $30 an hour, today they earn less than the federal minimum wage ($7.25)."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/should-the-us-legalize-hard-drugs/2012/04/11/gIQAX95QBT_story.html?hpid=z3


    I must have missed when the Obama Administration turned conservative. From the highly right wing Rolling Stone magazine:
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obamas-war-on-pot-20120216

    But over the past year, the Obama administration has quietly unleashed a multi­agency crackdown on medical cannabis that goes far beyond anything undertaken by George W. Bush. The feds are busting growers who operate in full compliance with state laws, vowing to seize the property of anyone who dares to even rent to legal pot dispensaries, and threatening to imprison state employees responsible for regulating medical marijuana. With more than 100 raids on pot dispensaries during his first three years, Obama is now on pace to exceed Bush's record for medical-marijuana busts. "There's no question that Obama's the worst president on medical marijuana," says Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project. "He's gone from first to worst."


    It's actually kind of funny how die hard partisans here will go out of the way not to criticize the One.
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    Dec 02, 2013 2:03 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidIt's actually kind of funny how die hard partisans here will go out of the way not to criticize the One.

    You're so obsessed that you even take potshots at posters who are no longer on RJ. So very sad.


    And you're so stupid that you think that it's always about posters over ideas. It's little wonder you understand so little about the world you live in. icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 02, 2013 3:29 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    riddler78 said
    Aristoshark said
    riddler78 saidIt's actually kind of funny how die hard partisans here will go out of the way not to criticize the One.

    You're so obsessed that you even take potshots at posters who are no longer on RJ. So very sad.


    And you're so stupid that you think that it's always about posters over ideas. It's little wonder you understand so little about the world you live in. icon_wink.gif

    That's hilarious coming from you. You know little about your own country and nothing whatever about ours. And when you refer to "die hard partisans" you're obviously speaking of the OP, so you're not only stupid but also dishonest (as anyone who's read any of your posts already knows).


    The original OP who claimed that it's conservatives who are only seeing the light. But maybe you're too stupid and old to see that. Have you tried glasses? icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 02, 2013 4:31 PM GMT

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/aug/29/inslee-says-feds-wont-stop-marijuana-law/

    http://q13fox.com/2013/08/29/feds-give-pot-the-green-light-wont-interfere-with-state-egalization/#axzz2mKsL55XQ


    http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2013/08/29/holder-feds-green-light-colorado-legalization-with-conditions/
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    Dec 02, 2013 4:38 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/aug/29/inslee-says-feds-wont-stop-marijuana-law/

    http://q13fox.com/2013/08/29/feds-give-pot-the-green-light-wont-interfere-with-state-egalization/#axzz2mKsL55XQ


    http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2013/08/29/holder-feds-green-light-colorado-legalization-with-conditions/


    http://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/ondcp-fact-sheets/marijuana-legalization
  • metta

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    Dec 09, 2013 7:49 AM GMT
    "Why Are So Many Violent Criminals Walking Free?"