ANN ROMNEY: WE NEED TO RESPECT THE CHOICES THAT WOMEN MAKE

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    Apr 12, 2012 7:58 PM GMT
    Does that make her pro-choice? Or a hypocrite?

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/04/ann-romney-we-need-to-respect-choices-that-women-make-120328.html
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    Apr 12, 2012 8:02 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH saidNo, it just makes her another member of the "Republican Faux-Outrage" club.
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    Apr 12, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
    It means that just like her husband - Ann Romney is a two-faced craven panderer who will say ANYTHING to try to get Mitt Romney elected.
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    catfish5 saidDoes that make her pro-choice? Or a hypocrite?

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/04/ann-romney-we-need-to-respect-choices-that-women-make-120328.html


    I don't agree with these attacks on Ann Romney, by all accounts a good and dedicated mother as well as a survivor of multiple sclerosis. If you want to attack Mitt Romney, fine, but I think these kind of scorched-earth attacks on his wife and his children's mother is classless and disgusting.
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    catfish5 saidDoes that make her pro-choice? Or a hypocrite?

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/04/ann-romney-we-need-to-respect-choices-that-women-make-120328.html


    I don't agree with these attacks on Ann Romney, by all accounts a good and dedicated mother as well as a survivor of multiple sclerosis. If you want to attack Mitt Romney, fine, but I think these kind of scorched-earth attacks on his wife and his children's mother is classless and disgusting.




    I don't agree.

    If Mitt Romney is going to name Ann as his advisor on women's issues then she's no longer merely just his wife.

    If she's going to be part of a package deal like the Bill and Hillary package deal - then Ann is no longer just a private citizen - she's a political figure and is subject to public scrutiny.

    I certainly think respect should be paid to women who choose to be wives and mothers - but the idea that Ann shouldn't be discussed or critiqued when she has inserted herself into her husband's political campaign - is just wrong.

    She can't have it both ways.
    She's not just a wife and mother living a private life.
    She's taking an active out-front role in her husband's campaign and is a political figure now.
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    Apr 13, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    Wasn't the context of the statement a criticism that Ann Romney (as a source for Mitt Romney on political advice about "professional women" ) has never been in the workplace and thus has no credentials to advise Romney about same? (i.e., has never worked a day in her life [in an outside job])

    Sure it should be any woman's choice to make (if she actually has feasible and realistic choices at all) to stay at home and raise family/be a homemaker or to go work in a paying occupation (or do both).

    No reflection on stay at home moms....what they do is tough work, AND they are not dealing with the workplace (and in many cases also balancing or trying to do the job of being a parent).


    No apology was necessary, IMO
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    Menergy_1 saidWasn't the context of the statement a criticism that Ann Romney (as a source for Mitt Romney on political advice about "professional women" ) has never been in the workplace and thus has no credentials to advise Romney about same? (i.e., has never worked a day in her life [in an outside job])

    Sure it should be any woman's choice to make (if she actually has feasible and realistic choices at all) to stay at home and raise family/be a homemaker or to go work in a paying occupation (or do both).

    No reflection on stay at home moms....what they do is tough work, AND they are not dealing with the workplace (and in many cases also balancing or trying to do the job of being a parent).


    No apology was necessary, IMO





    You're absolutely right.

    It was just another one of those faux controversies stirred up by the Repubs to try to distract folks from the real issues - and from the Repub party's ABYSMAL record.
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    Apr 13, 2012 2:18 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidcatfish.jpg
    icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Now lets be charitable... not very nice there.....
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    HndsmKansan said
    southbeach1500 saidcatfish.jpg
    icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Now lets be charitable... not very nice there.....




    SB has posted that pic about half a dozen times today.

    It's rather revealing that he has to stoop to that level of pointless nastiness and silliness.

    But we'd best get used to dealing with this kind of nonsensical sideshow bullshit.

    After all it's an election year - and this kind of stuff is all the Repubs have got!
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    Apr 13, 2012 4:11 AM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    HndsmKansan said
    southbeach1500 saidcatfish.jpg
    icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Now lets be charitable... not very nice there.....




    SB has posted that pic about half a dozen times today.

    It's rather revealing that he has to stoop to that level of pointless nastiness and silliness.

    But we'd best get used to dealing with this kind of nonsensical sideshow bullshit.

    After all it's an election year - and this kind of stuff is all the Repubs have got!


    I love Catish, both the poster and the actual fish!
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    Apr 13, 2012 5:47 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 saidYou're absolutely right.

    It was just another one of those faux controversies stirred up by the Repubs to try to distract folks from the real issues - and from the Repub party's ABYSMAL record.



    RickRick,

    What are Mr. Obama's plans for a second term should he win re-election, besides "raising taxes on the rich?"



    C'mon, RickyDicky, answer SB's simple question. Surely you can muster up ONE post that comes off as seemingly well thought out, reasonably intelligent, and most of all, original. We're ALL waiting to see if you're capable of such a feat....Tick.Tock.Tick.Tock...

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    Apr 13, 2012 5:49 AM GMT
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    I don't agree.

    If Mitt Romney is going to name Ann as his advisor on women's issues then she's no longer merely just his wife.

    If she's going to be part of a package deal like the Bill and Hillary package deal - then Ann is no longer just a private citizen - she's a political figure and is subject to public scrutiny.

    I certainly think respect should be paid to women who choose to be wives and mothers - but the idea that Ann shouldn't be discussed or critiqued when she has inserted herself into her husband's political campaign - is just wrong.

    She can't have it both ways.
    She's not just a wife and mother living a private life.
    She's taking an active out-front role in her husband's campaign and is a political figure now.


    This is total partisan spin and bullshit, and thankfully recognized as much by most of the Democratic party.

    All candidate's wives take a role in their husband's campaigns. That should not make them targets of classless lies that the one Hilary Rosen told that Ann Romney "has never worked a day in her life."

    Let it be said that this is obviously not true, to anyone who has ever actually taken care of a child for any length of time. (I have, as have the President and his wife, which is why they too have called out Rosen for her nasty lie about Mitt Romney's wife.)

    Mitt has never sold Ann, neither has Ann sold herself, as the second coming of Hillary Clinton, who was not a housewife but had a political career in Washington before she even met Bill. To suggest that Ann Romney has ever played within Mitt Romney's campaign the kind of unique, unprecedented, and unrepeated and unrepeatable is not only complete hogwash but an insult to Hillary Clinton and all of us who know and respect her biography and long career in politics.

    Just as Republicans love to twist themselves into knots to justify the unjustifiable (the gross and racist spectacle of their Zimmerman apologetics comes to the mind), fringe left-wingers are now trying to spin Hilary Rosen into a martyr for her ill-advised, stupid, and false comments about Ann Romney.

    I will not be joining them. A spade is a spade: Hilary Rosen was dead wrong. She knows it, and everybody knows it.
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    Apr 13, 2012 5:50 AM GMT
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    I don't agree with these attacks on Ann Romney, by all accounts a good and dedicated mother as well as a survivor of multiple sclerosis.



    She's also a breast cancer survivor. Hillary Rosen is just a fat biased lib jealous of the fact that Ann Romney drives not one, but TWO cadillacs icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 13, 2012 6:29 AM GMT
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    RickRick91 said

    I don't agree.

    If Mitt Romney is going to name Ann as his advisor on women's issues then she's no longer merely just his wife.

    If she's going to be part of a package deal like the Bill and Hillary package deal - then Ann is no longer just a private citizen - she's a political figure and is subject to public scrutiny.

    I certainly think respect should be paid to women who choose to be wives and mothers - but the idea that Ann shouldn't be discussed or critiqued when she has inserted herself into her husband's political campaign - is just wrong.

    She can't have it both ways.
    She's not just a wife and mother living a private life.
    She's taking an active out-front role in her husband's campaign and is a political figure now.


    This is total partisan spin and bullshit, and thankfully recognized as much by most of the Democratic party.

    All candidate's wives take a role in their husband's campaigns. That should not make them targets of classless lies that the one Hilary Rosen told that Ann Romney "has never worked a day in her life."

    Let it be said that this is obviously not true, to anyone who has ever actually taken care of a child for any length of time. (I have, as have the President and his wife, which is why they too have called out Rosen for her nasty lie about Mitt Romney's wife.)

    Mitt has never sold Ann, neither has Ann sold herself, as the second coming of Hillary Clinton, who was not a housewife but had a political career in Washington before she even met Bill. To suggest that Ann Romney has ever played within Mitt Romney's campaign the kind of unique, unprecedented, and unrepeated and unrepeatable is not only complete hogwash but an insult to Hillary Clinton and all of us who know and respect her biography and long career in politics.

    Just as Republicans love to twist themselves into knots to justify the unjustifiable (the gross and racist spectacle of their Zimmerman apologetics comes to the mind), fringe left-wingers are now trying to spin Hilary Rosen into a martyr for her ill-advised, stupid, and false comments about Ann Romney.

    I will not be joining them. A spade is a spade: Hilary Rosen was dead wrong. She knows it, and everybody knows it.







    That's your opinion - and everyone doesn't agree.

    You've totally misrepresented what Ms. Rosen meant to say - and it's unfair for you to ascribe a nasty intent to Hilary Rosen's words when THERE WAS NO NASTY INTENT.

    She meant to make the point that Ann Romney is not someone Mitt Romney should be consulting about women's economic issues when Ann Romney HAS NEVER HELD A JOB OR BEEN PART OF THE U.S. WORK FORCE.

    That's a totally fair point to make and there was NOTHING nasty about making that point.
    It's a simple FACT.

    Unfortunately Ms. Rosen chose the wrong words to express her intended point.
    For which she's apologized.

    To attack Ms. Rosen as viciously as you have is unfair and undeserved.

    What Hilary Rosen said was not a "classless lie".
    She merely chose the wrong words.
    As a wife and mother Ms. Rosen knows full well that being a wife and mother is work - and valuable work.
    She knows that FROM HER OWN EXPERIENCE and she's stated that she believes that very clearly.

    Your attacks on Hilary Rosen are unfair.
    Accusing someone of launching a "disgusting attack" and saying "nasty lies" as you have - when they've merely chosen the wrong words (for which they've apologized) - is a pretty classless thing to do.
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    TroyAthlete said
    I don't agree with these attacks on Ann Romney, by all accounts a good and dedicated mother as well as a survivor of multiple sclerosis.



    She's also a breast cancer survivor. Hillary Rosen is just a fat biased lib jealous of the fact that Ann Romney drives not one, but TWO cadillacs icon_lol.gif




    Hilary Rosen is a "fat biased lib"?
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    Wow.
    What a classy comment.
    Aren't you proud of yourself?
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    Apr 13, 2012 10:17 AM GMT
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    RickRick91 said

    I don't agree.

    If Mitt Romney is going to name Ann as his advisor on women's issues then she's no longer merely just his wife.

    If she's going to be part of a package deal like the Bill and Hillary package deal - then Ann is no longer just a private citizen - she's a political figure and is subject to public scrutiny.

    I certainly think respect should be paid to women who choose to be wives and mothers - but the idea that Ann shouldn't be discussed or critiqued when she has inserted herself into her husband's political campaign - is just wrong.

    She can't have it both ways.
    She's not just a wife and mother living a private life.
    She's taking an active out-front role in her husband's campaign and is a political figure now.


    This is total partisan spin and bullshit, and thankfully recognized as much by most of the Democratic party.

    All candidate's wives take a role in their husband's campaigns. That should not make them targets of classless lies that the one Hilary Rosen told that Ann Romney "has never worked a day in her life."

    Let it be said that this is obviously not true, to anyone who has ever actually taken care of a child for any length of time. (I have, as have the President and his wife, which is why they too have called out Rosen for her nasty lie about Mitt Romney's wife.)

    Mitt has never sold Ann, neither has Ann sold herself, as the second coming of Hillary Clinton, who was not a housewife but had a political career in Washington before she even met Bill. To suggest that Ann Romney has ever played within Mitt Romney's campaign the kind of unique, unprecedented, and unrepeated and unrepeatable is not only complete hogwash but an insult to Hillary Clinton and all of us who know and respect her biography and long career in politics.

    Just as Republicans love to twist themselves into knots to justify the unjustifiable (the gross and racist spectacle of their Zimmerman apologetics comes to the mind), fringe left-wingers are now trying to spin Hilary Rosen into a martyr for her ill-advised, stupid, and false comments about Ann Romney.

    I will not be joining them. A spade is a spade: Hilary Rosen was dead wrong. She knows it, and everybody knows it.


    Troy -

    Rosen's statement was less than artful but it was essentially true. Ann Romney not only has not had a career, but she had a ton of domestic help in raising her children because she married into a very wealthy family. There is no shame in that, but to suggest - as Romney did - that she is knowledgeable about what the vast majority of American women - who have children and work without the help of nannies and housekeepers - is just ridiculous.

    Rosen never said raising children wasn't hard work, nor did she criticize Ann Romney's choice to be a stay at home mother. Rather she put the lie to the idea that Ann Romney's experience was emblematic of most women in the US who don't "choose" to work but do so out of economic necessity.

    I was raised by a single mother and I know she would much rather have stayed home, particularly while we were in school. But she didn't have a choice. And the policies that the Republicans in general and Romney in particular support - dismantling the social safety net - means that fewer and fewer women will have that choice.

    Now, if the Romneys were proposing policies that would help working mothers or give more women an actual choice in whether to stay home, that would be one thing. But they're not.

    Finally, it's Republicans who have made spouses "fair game". From Hillary Clinton to Valerie Wilson to Michelle Obama, the Republicans and the surrogates have been attacking the wives of Democratic politicians in the most vicious ways for the last 30 years. What Rosen said is mild compared to that.
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    Apr 13, 2012 2:25 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TroyAthlete said
    I don't agree with these attacks on Ann Romney, by all accounts a good and dedicated mother as well as a survivor of multiple sclerosis.



    She's also a breast cancer survivor. Hillary Rosen is just a fat biased lib jealous of the fact that Ann Romney drives not one, but TWO cadillacs icon_lol.gif




    Hilary Rosen is a "fat biased lib"?
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    Wow.
    What a classy comment.
    Aren't you proud of yourself?



    No, because I left out angry beyotch....Is she your sister?
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    Apr 13, 2012 2:39 PM GMT
    LOL. ...... I CANNOT wait until FAT ASS DRUG ADDICTED MOUTH PIECE COMES ON

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    Apr 13, 2012 2:42 PM GMT
    Waiting for news to cover the many maids and nannies that helped Ann Romney be a "stay-at-home" mother.
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    Apr 13, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
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    That's your opinion - and everyone doesn't agree.

    You've totally misrepresented what Ms. Rosen meant to say - and it's unfair for you to ascribe a nasty intent to Hilary Rosen's words when THERE WAS NO NASTY INTENT.

    She meant to make the point that Ann Romney is not someone Mitt Romney should be consulting about women's economic issues when Ann Romney HAS NEVER HELD A JOB OR BEEN PART OF THE U.S. WORK FORCE.

    That's a totally fair point to make and there was NOTHING nasty about making that point.
    It's a simple FACT.

    Unfortunately Ms. Rosen chose the wrong words to express her intended point.
    For which she's apologized.

    To attack Ms. Rosen as viciously as you have is unfair and undeserved.

    What Hilary Rosen said was not a "classless lie".
    She merely chose the wrong words.
    As a wife and mother Ms. Rosen knows full well that being a wife and mother is work - and valuable work.
    She knows that FROM HER OWN EXPERIENCE and she's stated that she believes that very clearly.

    Your attacks on Hilary Rosen are unfair.
    Accusing someone of launching a "disgusting attack" and saying "nasty lies" as you have - when they've merely chosen the wrong words (for which they've apologized) - is a pretty classless thing to do.


    I've misrepresented what Rosen meant to say? That's another lie; I've done no such thing because I don't know what Rosen meant to say. I know what she actually said, and I've quoted her exact words. If she meant to say "the sky is blue" but she actually said "the sky is red" I don't have to say she told the truth. She didn't.

    Her exact words were that she "has never worked a day in her life." Which is just a lie, any way you slice it. As a mother of five, Ann Romney has worked which is why President Obama agrees with me, not with Hilary Rosen.

    You're the one spinning about what Rosen "meant to" say, which -- speaking of opinions -- is just you're opinion since you don't actually know. I don't have to resort to such spin, because my judgments are based on the words that actually came out of her mouth.

    What Hilary Rosen said was classless and was recognized as such by every prominent Democrat in the country. There is nothing recognizing her actual words as disgusting and classless is not wrong, at least for those of us like the President and his wife who live in the real world and not the fantasy land of "meant tos."
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    Apr 13, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
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    Troy -

    Rosen's statement was less than artful but it was essentially true. Ann Romney not only has not had a career, but she had a ton of domestic help in raising her children because she married into a very wealthy family. There is no shame in that, but to suggest - as Romney did - that she is knowledgeable about what the vast majority of American women - who have children and work without the help of nannies and housekeepers - is just ridiculous.

    Rosen never said raising children wasn't hard work, nor did she criticize Ann Romney's choice to be a stay at home mother. Rather she put the lie to the idea that Ann Romney's experience was emblematic of most women in the US who don't "choose" to work but do so out of economic necessity.

    I was raised by a single mother and I know she would much rather have stayed home, particularly while we were in school. But she didn't have a choice. And the policies that the Republicans in general and Romney in particular support - dismantling the social safety net - means that fewer and fewer women will have that choice.

    Now, if the Romneys were proposing policies that would help working mothers or give more women an actual choice in whether to stay home, that would be one thing. But they're not.

    Finally, it's Republicans who have made spouses "fair game". From Hillary Clinton to Valerie Wilson to Michelle Obama, the Republicans and the surrogates have been attacking the wives of Democratic politicians in the most vicious ways for the last 30 years. What Rosen said is mild compared to that.


    Oh please. Spare me the old "b-b-b-but [insert other person here] did it first" argument, which is the same bullshit excuse children make when they're caught with their hand in the cookie jar. It doesn't work for two year olds, and it's a sorry excuse for adults.

    Hilary Rosen's words were not just inartful: they were just plain false. It's just not true that Ann Romney "has never worked a day in her life" and no amount of partisan spin is going to make it true. Just as with right-wingers in the Zimmerman case, I am troubled that fringe partisans on the left seem to be allergic to the truth in this case. But I have long suspected there that extremists on both sides of the aisle are simply flip sides of the same coin.

    If Rosen intended to make an artful statement, she should have made it. Instead, she chose to propagate lies. I know it was a lie, because I heard it. Rosen and the Rosen apologists would do well to follow President Obama's good advice and just STFU about candidates' wives.
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    Troy -

    Rosen's statement was less than artful but it was essentially true. Ann Romney not only has not had a career, but she had a ton of domestic help in raising her children because she married into a very wealthy family. There is no shame in that, but to suggest - as Romney did - that she is knowledgeable about what the vast majority of American women - who have children and work without the help of nannies and housekeepers - is just ridiculous.

    Rosen never said raising children wasn't hard work, nor did she criticize Ann Romney's choice to be a stay at home mother. Rather she put the lie to the idea that Ann Romney's experience was emblematic of most women in the US who don't "choose" to work but do so out of economic necessity.

    I was raised by a single mother and I know she would much rather have stayed home, particularly while we were in school. But she didn't have a choice. And the policies that the Republicans in general and Romney in particular support - dismantling the social safety net - means that fewer and fewer women will have that choice.

    Now, if the Romneys were proposing policies that would help working mothers or give more women an actual choice in whether to stay home, that would be one thing. But they're not.

    Finally, it's Republicans who have made spouses "fair game". From Hillary Clinton to Valerie Wilson to Michelle Obama, the Republicans and the surrogates have been attacking the wives of Democratic politicians in the most vicious ways for the last 30 years. What Rosen said is mild compared to that.


    Oh please. Spare me the old "b-b-b-but [insert other person here] did it first" argument, which is the same bullshit excuse children make when they're caught with their hand in the cookie jar. It doesn't work for two year olds, and it's a sorry excuse for adults.

    Hilary Rosen's words were not just inartful: they were just plain false. It's just not true that Ann Romney "has never worked a day in her life" and no amount of partisan spin is going to make it true. Just as with right-wingers in the Zimmerman case, I am troubled that fringe partisans on the left seem to be allergic to the truth in this case. But I have long suspected there that extremists on both sides of the aisle are simply flip sides of the same coin.

    If Rosen intended to make an artful statement, she should have made it. Instead, she chose to propagate lies. I know it was a lie, because I heard it. Rosen and the Rosen apologists would do well to follow President Obama's good advice and just STFU about candidates' wives.



    That is a bullshit false paradigm. I heard Rosen's comments, too. They were specifically in the context of Ann Romney advising her husband on women's needs in this economy. Rosen's remarks were completely true.

    My mother was a single mother. She didn't have a choice to work or stay at home. So let's stop this pretense that a woman like Ann Romney doesn't have a range of choices that are not available to women. And given that Republicans are trying (and, sadly, succeeding in many cases) to restrict access to abortion and even contraception, Ann Romney is in support of a part that wants to remove the choices poor women do have.

    And to assert that raising children as her primary responsibility and with no less than three housekeepers and nannies staffing her at all times is the same as being a single women who has to work, and find childcare and make sure her kids don't end up losers, is just completely dishonest.

    In fact, Ann Romney couldn't shine my mother's shoes.