Opponents of same-sex issues mostly represented by older generations?

  • TheBizMan

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    Apr 12, 2012 9:43 PM GMT
    Well so it would seem. I'd go even further to say that, individuals of generation Y who oppose same-sex issues only do so because of the influence of older generations. Granted there will always be extremists, but I'm talking majority.

    Do you agree or disagree?



    Should all of the older generations just die already...?icon_twisted.gif



    That was an attempt at dark humor btw
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    Apr 12, 2012 9:49 PM GMT
    No they all move just move to Florida....

    which unfortunately is a swing state icon_redface.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 10:00 PM GMT
    Yeah. Wipe the slate clean. Get rid of the older generation and then we can have a world worldwide struggle to reclaim power. Like WW3, but with no old people. It would be bloody, underhanded, and treacherous, and I doubt the world would be better off, but I must admit I'm addicted to conflict.

    Seriously though, if older people are more opposed to homosexuals it might be because society was much less accepting when they were growing up. Also there was no internet, so most people were confined to the point of views of the people around them, the newspapers and tv. I know plenty of homophobes who are young too. They can be worse sometimes. Homosexuals are slowly achieving more rights, where I live marriage is legal for gays and lesbians. Although I'm not really a fan on the institution of marriage, but that is a whole other discussion
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    Apr 12, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
    jack228 said
    Seriously though, if older people are more opposed to homosexuals it might be because society was much less accepting when they were growing up. Also there was no internet, so most people were confined to the point of views of the people around them, the newspapers and tv. I know plenty of homophobes who are young too. They can be worse sometimes.


    Hehe oh I like you,
    In a nutshell that is my argument, though I do have some additonal points.

    Yes there are young homophobes.... would you say they are inherently homophobic or taught to be homophobic by their parents (part of the older generations I am referencing)? There are studies to suggest that homophobes are likely to be homosexual themselves. These young kids who spew hate may indeed be putting on a facade to hide their own desires. Of course I am not insinuating this is always the case.

    Just some extra food for thought.
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    Apr 12, 2012 10:29 PM GMT
    TheBizMan saidJust some extra food for thought.


    Food. Good idea. We just need to make sure we treat the elderly with dignity and respect and we can probably get a lot of them to just volunteer.


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    Apr 12, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
    Iceblink said
    TheBizMan saidJust some extra food for thought.


    Food. Good idea. We just need to make sure we treat the elderly with dignity and respect and we can probably get a lot of them to just volunteer.



    Uhh.....

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    Apr 12, 2012 10:59 PM GMT
    hahahaaha
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    Apr 12, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
    generation y? would that include me? someone born in 1984? I know im not a "gen X-er"....they're a bunch of losers. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
    So what's the approval rating of str8 marriages? Nearly 100%?

    Don't know if this following graph is accurate but if so than as far as trending goes, the over 65 age group has moved more than any other group towards favoring gay marriage, doubling their number of approvals in the last 6 years, while the youngest group, ages18-29, increased towards our favor by only 18% in the same time frame.

    And as of six years ago, only 55% of the youngest group 18-29 approved of gay marriage so before the youngsters start bragging too much about how open minded they are and chopping the older generation up for food, how about you get your own selves up to at least a 90% approval rating first and then we'll talk.

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    This graph just came up on a google image search from this web site
    http://givesgoodemail.com/tag/gay-marriage/ No idea as to its accuracy.
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    Apr 12, 2012 11:15 PM GMT
    theantijock saidSo what's the approval rating of str8 marriages? Nearly 100%?

    Don't know if this following graph is accurate but if so than as far as trending goes, the over 65 age group has moved more than any other group towards favoring gay marriage, doubling their number of approvals in the last 6 years, while the youngest group, ages18-29, increased towards our favor by only 18% in the same time frame.

    And as of six years ago, only 55% of the youngest group 18-29 approved of gay marriage so before the youngsters start bragging too much about how open minded they are and chopping the older generation up for food, how about you get your own selves up to at least a 90% approval rating first and then we'll talk.

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    This graph just came up on a google image search from this web site
    http://givesgoodemail.com/tag/gay-marriage/ No idea as to its accuracy.


    Uhh if that is supposed to be a gay marriage approval ratings graph...all it shows me is that there is an overwhelming majority of 18-29 year olds that approve of gay marriage and it continues to trend upwards.

    My question now becomes, has the younger generation influenced the older generations to be more open to gay issues?

    I'm sorry did I offend you with my little joke at the end? I went as far to put a tiny disclaimer at the bottom...icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    Do you agree or disagree?



    Agree. Statistics back my opinion. Youth generally is more in favor of gays overall than older people. But you probably don't want to wish the older people to die...that includes your parents and grandparents. You should instead just wish for the religious people to die. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    Oh come on! I'm not wishing for anyone to die.. humor is so hard to portray online sometimes icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 12, 2012 11:54 PM GMT
    TheBizMan said...My question now becomes, has the younger generation influenced the older generations to be more open to gay issues?

    I'm sorry did I offend you with my little joke at the end? I went as far to put a tiny disclaimer at the bottom...


    My eyes aren't what they used to be. No offense taken. Had I thought you a total ageist I'd have clicked ignore within 3 seconds and not have bothered commenting on the thread.

    Apology appreciated & accepted nonetheless. And my apology to you if I sounded offended. I hadn't thought I did. I was just taking the very same stats and reading them otherwise, how they could also be legitimately interpreted.

    I think that it is wonderful that so many more younger people are more accepting of us as fully human being. I'm disappointed even their percentage is not higher, but it is incredibly fun to listen to techno coming out of my neighbor's garage where the kids workout, knowing how their father tries preaching Jesus at me. Devil music, oh nooos.

    But while some young accept us who otherwise might be right-wing influenced, I think you have to look at what affiliations make up the majority of the older who are not with us and I think you will find that it might not be so much of an age issue afterall. Having always socialized with my parents' generation and having inherited some of mom's friends, I can tell you that all the older people I know are for us 100%.
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    Apr 13, 2012 12:37 AM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    TheBizMan said
    Do you agree or disagree?

    But you probably don't want to wish the older people to die...that includes your parents and grandparents. You should instead just wish for the religious people to die. icon_biggrin.gif

    No, I don't wish for their deaths. Instead I want them bedridden and mute and being cared for by gay nurses.
    That would fuck with them much more.
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    Apr 13, 2012 1:14 AM GMT
    Are you guys joking? I wouldn't know exactly what the mentality of older people is like where you all are, but you've gotta give them just a little more credit. Why would the assumption be made that older people would have a lower approval rating on these issues? I think many of them have learned to 'go with the flow' by now. Don't always judge the book by its cover. People from younger generations could be real tight-asses too, possibly more so than the older ones. I'm sure there are many old farts out there who embrace these changes. Also remember that the older generations have been forced to endure more social changes throughout their lives. I wouldn't even blame them if they chose to reject the whole gay rights/issues changes anyway.
    Visit Grandma more often.
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    Apr 13, 2012 1:17 AM GMT
    Oscardude9 saidAre you guys joking? I wouldn't know exactly what the mentality of older people is like where you all are, but you've gotta give them just a little more credit. Why would the assumption be made that older people would have a lower approval rating on these issues? I think many of them have learned to 'go with the flow' by now. Don't always judge the book by its cover. People from younger generations could be real tight-asses too, possibly more so than the older ones. I'm sure there are many old farts out there who embrace these changes. Also remember that the older generations have been forced to endure more social changes throughout their lives. I wouldn't even blame them if they chose to reject the whole gay rights/issues changes anyway.
    Visit Grandma more often.

    So then you disagree?
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    Apr 13, 2012 1:35 AM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    Oscardude9 saidAre you guys joking? I wouldn't know exactly what the mentality of older people is like where you all are, but you've gotta give them just a little more credit. Why would the assumption be made that older people would have a lower approval rating on these issues? I think many of them have learned to 'go with the flow' by now. Don't always judge the book by its cover. People from younger generations could be real tight-asses too, possibly more so than the older ones. I'm sure there are many old farts out there who embrace these changes. Also remember that the older generations have been forced to endure more social changes throughout their lives. I wouldn't even blame them if they chose to reject the whole gay rights/issues changes anyway.
    Visit Grandma more often.

    So then you disagree?


    I just wouldn't be so quick to make the assumption that the younger generation is necessarily more accepting.
    My closest experience: I share a house with my bf on a residential street - what could be also be classified as a 'family neighbourhood'. I don't know many of my neighbours, but I do get the sense that some of them may not as 'cool with it' as they may appear. The older ones - just couldn't give a rat's ass. The eighty-year old broad next door just loves us! I can't say exactly what her views are on this, but I really don't care anyway. Remember, people will also choose their opinions to suit their convenience. These may be difficult to change - young or old.
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    Apr 13, 2012 1:41 AM GMT
    Disagree, When a generation is still young they are generally at their most conservative and have a blinkered veiw of the world.
    Once life gives them a few suprises and a few knocks they usually suprise themselves at how ignorant and idealistic they were.
    This is true for all generations. The older you get the more open to new ideas and thoughts you become. Experience of life rather than an idealogy sways your opinion.
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    Apr 13, 2012 1:43 AM GMT
    I think, and I can only really speak from my Australian experiences, the those that are strongly opposed to gay marriage/other rights, those that are perhaps evangelical and strive to convince others, are not likely to change their minds in the future. This is of course a generalisation. The imbued extreme religious views here are both hidden and difficult to change.

    There was a recent case of Australian tennis legend Margaret Court, now an extremist minister, being given a platform to call homosexuality abhorrent unnatural, treatable and often caused by sexual abuse as a child. Hers are opinions that cannot be changed and potentially damaging to a large number of Australian youths. So the sad fact of the matter is that, in her case, all she can do is die, and take her views with her to the grave.

    Sorry I should have mentioned that this is often linked to an older generation.
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    Apr 13, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
    I find it interesting that the generational cohort distribution of those who oppose marriage for homosexuals is the inverse of participation/affiliation with organized religion...

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    Apr 13, 2012 1:54 AM GMT
    TheBizMan saidShould all of the older generations just die already...?icon_twisted.gif
    Only the ones that oppose equal rights. icon_twisted.gif
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    Apr 13, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
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    TheBizMan saidShould all of the older generations just die already...?icon_twisted.gif
    Only the ones that oppose equal rights. icon_twisted.gif



    Yeah, right... we need to circle the wagons around 'em and get them to the voting booths... because we can't be assed to do it ourselves!
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    Apr 13, 2012 2:02 AM GMT
    **March 2011 Do you have any objections to gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military?

    ........TOTAL....18-29....30-44......45-64.......65+
    No....... 80%......89%.....79%.......78%.......71%
    Yes..... 18.........11.........20..........19..........25


    **Oct 2011 Do you favor or oppose allowing same-sex couples to legally marry?

    .............total....18-29.....30-44......45.64........65+
    favor.........42%....57%......46%........37%.......26%
    oppose....47%....35%......41%........53%.......62%

    **60 Minutes/Vanity Fair Poll


    http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1994/poll-support-for-acceptance-of-homosexuality-gay-parenting-marriage

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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/First-Time-Majority-Americans-Favor-Legal-Gay-Marriage.aspx

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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/135764/Americans-Acceptance-Gay-Relations-Crosses-Threshold.aspx

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    Apr 13, 2012 3:30 AM GMT
    No, No, No, don't kill me yet! I'm pro-gay I really really am!
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    Apr 13, 2012 3:32 AM GMT
    why even care old people are sexless defenseless people and will die soon - besides they make us look good