Aren't We Hypocrites Too?

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    Apr 14, 2012 1:23 AM GMT
    We get mad at people and certain celebirties for voicing their opinions towards homosexuality. Not all but some.

    I personally don't care what the next person thinks of homosexuality as long as they still respect me and treat me with kindness. Yes I did want my father to be more accepting of who I am, but he is really not but he still expresses his love for me and never speaks against me.

    We agree to disagree and that is the end of it.

    But however, it seems to me why is it that, other people cannot. I posted a thread about the whole Anti Gay people and we could be friends with them and alot said no, which is truly understandable,

    but how come we expect people to conform to our way of thinking that our sexuality is ok, but get mad at those who do not.

    Everyone cannot walk in our shoes nor can we walk in theirs, so it seems almost hypocritical to judge others and call them names, while saying they should not do the same to us.

    "Idea for this Topic Inspired by the Kirk Cameron comments I have been seeing"

    If someone thinks I am wrong, then to me that is their business.
    Now i know that when people protest our marriage and stuff that hurts, but im not going that deep (i probably should), but my initial point is...

    why can't others just simply disagree with homosexuality withought being called homophobic and met with cruelty by us.
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    Apr 14, 2012 1:29 AM GMT
    Because their "disagreeing" has real consequences. It means gays can be discriminated at work. It means gays can't get married. It means gays can't adopt children. So yea, I am going to be a hypocrite and fight for my rights, thanks.
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    Apr 14, 2012 1:35 AM GMT
    I will never like anybody who tries to make my life miserable.
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    Apr 14, 2012 1:35 AM GMT
    Technically you're a hypocrite. Gay + Southern any kind Christian? Where do you find time to keep up church functions, people from church, prayer and being on this site?
    In your mind therein is a lie you tell yourself and don't like. So you put us on blast to drowned out your own confusion by projecting it onto those you're equipped enough to scapegoat. I love you man, and it'd be great to just see you have fun on this site; but your assumptive postings are giving me a bad gag reflex and I'm about hurl.
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    Apr 14, 2012 1:38 AM GMT
    introjock saidBecause their "disagreeing" has real consequences. It means gays can be discriminated at work. It means gays can't get married. It means gays can't adopt children. So yea, I am going to be a hypocrite and fight for my rights, thanks.


    I think this sums it up.
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    Apr 14, 2012 1:38 AM GMT
    Yehoshua_B5917 saidTechnically you're a hypocrite. Gay + Southern any kind Christian? Where do you find time to keep up church functions, people from church, prayer and being on this site?
    In your mind therein is a lie you tell yourself and don't like. So you put us on blast to drowned out your own confusion by projecting it onto those you're equipped enough to scapegoat. I love you man, and it'd be great to just see you have fun on this site; but your assumptive postings are giving me a bad gag reflex and I'm about hurl.


    You don't think someone can be gay, and a Christian?
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    Apr 14, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
    Yeah everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the homophobes initiate the hate. Homosexuals recipricating the hate back isn't great, and perpetuates hostility, but it is from a defensive stance. The homophobes start it and their bigoty carries detrimental consequences. To make a comparison, if someone enjoys murdering people, should we respect their opinion that murdering people is acceptable? Obviously in reality hating a person's sexuality and murdering people aren't the same degree of deplorable, but the concept is. We don't have to respect them. They disrespect us without even knowing us.
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    Apr 14, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    I am not talking about

    The people who are trying to make life miserable,

    I am just talking about people who simply disagree.

    @Yehoshua_B591

    To say im a hypocrit and to say that because im Gay means I cannot be Christian, is to say that being Christian means I cannot sin by the definition of what sin is.

    There is a defined line between blatant hypocrisy and sin, or what we consider sin, also you don;t know exactly my belief system my friend. There are more than one type of Christian in this world.

    There is a whole can of worms in even opening that arguement so I rather not go there.

    Also notice whenever I post, I never say EVERYONE. I always say some..or something along those lines, which is true.
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    Apr 14, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
    7Famark saidYou don't think someone can be gay, and a Christian?

    First off. It shouldn't matter what I think. If you them happy, so be it.
    Secondly, I tried to be a Gay Christian from 2008 when my brother's church, that he played in, "saved" me. But they wanted to Change me. I had to be straight... Do you think that I gave in to that? Surprise to you, I DID! I did most everything my brother, the church and what I interpreted as The Word at work in my Life as to be my direction in life. I stopped hanging out with my partying drinking friends, tried to stop messing around with guys; which was the "end of me", only listened to K-LOVE; I read the Bible from front to back, went to Bible Study on top of Church on Sunday, and never a change. I hated myself for not being changed then. I walked away 2 different times. The first time was just a bad domino effect that ended almost costing me my sanity and took 2 years of my life to get through. The 2nd time I walked away I decided not to go back. I've settled back comfortably into my beliefs; though embittered from experience, on neutral non-denomenational Spirituality. I'm full aware of the weight of the words and actions I say and make. I have my limits. I don't think I'll be going back to a typical church anytime soon. Not unless Gays are accepted and my boyfriend/partner wants to go.
    Funny, my dad was a pastor, but I'm not convinced Living In The Word is for me.
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    Apr 14, 2012 2:20 AM GMT
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    Yehoshua_B5917 saidTechnically you're a hypocrite. Gay + Southern any kind Christian? Where do you find time to keep up church functions, people from church, prayer and being on this site?
    In your mind therein is a lie you tell yourself and don't like. So you put us on blast to drowned out your own confusion by projecting it onto those you're equipped enough to scapegoat. I love you man, and it'd be great to just see you have fun on this site; but your assumptive postings are giving me a bad gag reflex and I'm about hurl.


    You don't think someone can be gay, and a Christian?


    Not without a lot of theological gymnastics and assumptions.
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    Apr 14, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
    I think there is a difference between religious people who are against homosexuality and homophobes--sometimes they do overlap.

    However, I do believe some religious institutions are built upon homophobic beliefs. Homophobia is present in the Bible. Fundamentalists blindly follow the Bible without question--questioning the Bible would bring their world to a collapse. They are not against homosexuality because they are homophobic; they are against it because they believe in an infallible holy book with homophobic themes.
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    Apr 14, 2012 2:38 AM GMT
    My own journey with this has my views and practice of Christianity evolving.

    I cannot see myself ever rejecting God out of hand, but I have an increasingly hard time with how modern Christianity interprets the bible and uses it to exclude people rather than reach out to them in the love that Jesus spoke of.
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    Apr 14, 2012 2:45 AM GMT
    JamieJfromtheA saidI am not talking about

    The people who are trying to make life miserable,

    I am just talking about people who simply disagree.


    I don't think most gay people worry nearly as much about people who "simply disagree" as about those who try to enshrine their disagreements into the law and other mechanisms of power.
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    Apr 14, 2012 2:52 AM GMT
    slimnmuscly said
    JamieJfromtheA saidI am not talking about

    The people who are trying to make life miserable,

    I am just talking about people who simply disagree.


    I don't think most gay people worry nearly as much about people who "simply disagree" as about those who try to enshrine their disagreements into the law and other mechanisms of power.


    Not true, because if someone on tv just says "I dont think its right to be gay"

    all hell breaks lose.

    This girl from Bad Girls Club 7 names Tasha Malek, was protested and everything, even though she said I don't care and God can judge her, but she doesnt necessarily agree, and had a lesbian friend, but because she didnt agree she still got mocked.
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    Apr 14, 2012 2:56 AM GMT
    Simple as this, more and more is unveiled about us and proving the people wrong who accuse us of being "mentally sick" or saying it's "a choice". Who would CHOOSE to be gay with all of the the backlash and ridicule? It doesn't add up, not too long ago we were all "child rapists" who were sick in the head, to me I find it VERY offensive that people can't accept me for me. I was born this way (no gaga pun intended) and I will die this way. I'm mentally stable and probably more so then most of the living race, I do not have or act on sexual thoughts of children like they portrayed us to be in the 50's and I did not choose my sexual preferences. The fact that a gay man is trying to justify people for disliking/hating us for who we were created to be is a step backwards for my people. So disappear into the shadows or wake up and fight for what we DESERVE! I will never accept someone into my life unless they accept me fully and that includes my family. Now I'm going to help a homophobe come out of the closet. icon_smile.gif Ciao!
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    Apr 14, 2012 3:00 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidI think there is a difference between religious people who are against homosexuality and homophobes--sometimes they do overlap.

    However, I do believe some religious institutions are built upon homophobic beliefs. Homophobia is present in the Bible. Fundamentalists blindly follow the Bible without question--questioning the Bible would bring their world to a collapse. They are not against homosexuality because they are homophobic; they are against it because they believe in an infallible holy book with homophobic themes.




    There are five verses which are referred to condemning gays, well that's incorrect but interpreted that way. There have been studies on this and it disproves the condemning factor, all Jesus wanted for the world was love and peace. They will be judged for judging, don't sweat them. Do good in the world and you will be fine! icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 14, 2012 3:08 AM GMT
    CalebKM said
    conscienti1984 saidI think there is a difference between religious people who are against homosexuality and homophobes--sometimes they do overlap.

    However, I do believe some religious institutions are built upon homophobic beliefs. Homophobia is present in the Bible. Fundamentalists blindly follow the Bible without question--questioning the Bible would bring their world to a collapse. They are not against homosexuality because they are homophobic; they are against it because they believe in an infallible holy book with homophobic themes.




    There are five verses which are referred to condemning gays, well that's incorrect but interpreted that way. There have been studies on this and it disproves the condemning factor, all Jesus wanted for the world was love and peace. They will be judged for judging, don't sweat them. Do good in the world and you will be fine! icon_smile.gif


    Fair enough. But in terms of this conversation all that matters are the interpretations passed down through the centuries... the interpretations preached every Sunday. Only liberal churches seem open to your arguement.
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    Apr 14, 2012 3:12 AM GMT

    Jamie said, "Not true, because if someone on tv just says "I dont think its right to be gay

    all hell breaks loose."

    Wouldn't it also be that way if that someone said that about tall or short people, blue or brown eyed, blond or brunette?
    Suppose that was said about women or another minority? icon_wink.gif

    -Doug

    I think no one chooses to be gay (homosexual). Just as no one chooses any of the above I mentioned.
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    Apr 14, 2012 3:33 AM GMT
    Could you imagine the shit storm a thread would immediately turn into if the question were asked, Aren't we hypocrites concerning not liking or wanting to associate with those that are racist? or Aren't we hypocrites for not being tolerant of those that are anti-Semitic? Very few would ever ask those questions because it would make you sound like an ignorant ass. Sorry, but when you say the same thing about the glbt minority, you come across sounding just as ignorant. Why do we sell ourselves short as a minority and not demand the same respect other minorities do?
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    Apr 14, 2012 3:35 AM GMT
    Being gay is as natural a characteristic of being human as being wet is a natural characteristic of being water.

    When others insist that water is not wet, while it doesn't mean I can't be friendly with them, it also doesn't mean that I'm a hypocrite to think them idiots.
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    Apr 14, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    We know that, but is it fair to expect others to know when they never had to deal with it.

    Yes I think its not fair to judge, but people are ignorant.
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    Apr 14, 2012 4:55 AM GMT
    JamieJfromtheA saidWe get mad at people and certain celebirties for voicing their opinions towards homosexuality. Not all but some.

    I personally don't care what the next person thinks of homosexuality ...
    Yes you do...otherwise you wouldn't have waited till you were an adult to come out of the closet. You would have made it apparent the moment you realized you bonded better with guys than girls.
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    Apr 14, 2012 5:43 AM GMT
    JamieJfromtheA said...
    but how come we expect people to conform to our way of thinking that our sexuality is ok, but get mad at those who do not [think that our sexuality is okay]. (My addition in brackets)
    ... If someone thinks I am wrong, then to me that is their business.
    ... why can't others just simply disagree with homosexuality withought being called homophobic and met with cruelty by us.

    JamieJfromtheA said...
    I am just talking about people who simply disagree.
    ....

    JamieJfromtheA said...
    ... if someone on tv just says "I dont think its right to be gay"
    all hell breaks lose. ....

    JamieJfromtheA saidWe know that, but is it fair to expect others to know when they never had to deal with it.
    Yes I think its not fair to judge, but people are ignorant.


    Dude, I think the source of your mistaken position is your refusal to judge--not people, but the meaning of things. Let it go for a few moments and think about the things you pass over as simple disagreement. What does it mean if someone thinks you, as a person, are wrong? Or that it isn't right to be gay? What does it mean to "disagree with homosexuality"?

    These types of judgments have implications; they aren't just let's-agree-to-disagree judgments.

    [kinda getting tired of writing ...]

    Those things being said, I'm not suggesting that most responses to those types of comments are necessarily appropriate.

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    Apr 14, 2012 8:23 AM GMT
    so if someone wants to say african americans are an inherently inferior race, i suppose you should let them
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    Apr 14, 2012 9:48 AM GMT
    JamieJfromtheA saidWe know that, but is it fair to expect others to know when they never had to deal with it.

    Yes I think its not fair to judge, but people are ignorant.


    Is there nothing that you don't have to deal with but that you are fully aware of? Something that you've never experienced yet you fully accept its existence? When was the last time you inserted a tampon?

    When people choose ignorance, it is more than fair to judge them.

    In 1935, Sigmund Freud wrote that "homosexuality...is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness."

    In 1974 being gay was removed from the DSM as a mental disorder. So for 38 years, we've had the stamp of approval of both the American Psychiatric and Psychological Associations endorsing our humanity and yet the voluntarily ignorant still deny us our human rights.

    The woman's suffrage movement started in the USA in 1869, right about when the telephone was being invented. People didn't even have radios yet. Television was still another 55 years in the future. Yet even with all the ignorance of those times, by 1920, just 55 years with those limited methods of communication, women were recognized by the US government as fully human beings and given the right to vote.

    Now we have not just radio, not just television, not just our education system, but also here we are long in the internet age, yet here we are, still without our human rights, two generations after being declared human. It seems to me that the voluntarily ignorant have had more than enough time to catch up on their reading.

    I'll be civil; I'll even be friendly, I'll even be a friendly acquaintance. Maybe even a friend, but not a close friend. I will draw that line. Someone wants to deny me my human rights? Fuck'm.