McCain opposes adoptions by gays

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    Jul 16, 2008 5:34 AM GMT
    While not necessarily a personal issue to me (I'll father my own child or my future husband will father our child, thank you), I think this clearly once again shows how out of touch this old guard, flip-flopping old timer really is...

    And no, I'm not pushing this in support of Obama.

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    McCain opposes adoptions by gays

    By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer

    NEW YORK - Advocates for gay and lesbian parents are denouncing Sen. John McCain, an adoptive father himself, for opposing adoptions by gays, which prompted his presidential campaign to clarify Tuesday that he does not seek a federal ban on the practice.

    Only one state, Florida, outlaws adoptions by gays, which have become commonplace in much of the nation.

    The Republican nominee-in-waiting was asked for his views on the subject in an interview published Sunday in The New York Times.

    "I think that we've proven that both parents are important in the success of a family so, no, I don't believe in gay adoption," McCain replied.

    McCain then remarked that he and his wife, Cindy, were proud to be adoptive parents of a daughter born in Bangladesh, and he encouraged others to adopt. Asked if those adopting should be a "traditional couple," McCain answered, "Yes."

    The responses were condemned by gay and lesbian groups.

    "He's completely out of touch," said Kara Suffredini, public policy director for the Family Equality Council. "There's no reason, except for the sake of red meat for his base, to throw up screens in the way of children in foster care getting homes."

    Jody Huckaby, executive director of Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, said McCain's comments were especially dismaying because more than 100,000 children are in foster care waiting to be adopted.

    "Sen. McCain would deny loving homes to children who desperately need them simply because of an outdated prejudice about what a family may look like," Huckaby said.

    On Tuesday, as criticism of McCain's comments spread, his campaign elaborated on the candidate's views.

    "John McCain could have been clearer in the interview in stating that his position on gay adoption is that it is a state issue. ... He was not endorsing any federal legislation," a campaign statement said.

    "Sen. McCain's expressed his personal preference for children to be raised by a mother and a father wherever possible," the statement added. "However, as an adoptive father himself, McCain believes children deserve loving and caring home environments, and he recognizes that there are many abandoned children who have yet to find homes. John McCain believes that in those situations that caring parental figures are better for the child than the alternative."

    An estimated 65,000 children have been adopted by gays and lesbians, according to advocacy groups. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association and the National Association of Social Workers, among other groups, have expressed support for gay adoptions.

    "It is an insult to these professionals and the children whom they represent to suggest that the door should be closed to people other than a 'traditional' married couple," said Ellen Kahn, who coordinates family-related projects for the Human Rights Campaign, a national gay rights group.

    Adam Pertman, executive director of the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, said McCain "needs to read the research and rethink his comments."

    "His implication is that every adopted child should have a mother and father," Pertman added. "That may be the ideal, but if we stick to it, we would have far fewer homes for kids. Single people — gay and straight — represent a significant number of adoptive parents."

    States have widely varying laws regarding adoption by same-sex couples, but only Florida has a law explicitly banning gays and lesbians from adopting as individuals.

    Conservative activists in Arkansas have been working to get a similar ban on the ballot in November, but have struggled to generate public support. Earlier this month, they turned in a petition with 65,899 signatures — only slightly more than the required number and well under the initial goal of 100,000 signatures.

    Recent national polls suggest that support for the concept of gay adoption is growing. A 2006 poll by the Pew Research Center found a near-even split on the issue; a 2007 poll by CNN and Opinion Research Corp. said 57 percent of respondents felt gays should have the right to adopt, while 40 percent said they shouldn't.

    A gay adoptive father in Atlanta, Ken Manford, said he and his partner have felt strong support and acceptance from neighbors and acquaintances since they adopted a son from Guatemala nearly seven years ago.

    "If Sen. McCain came and sat down with us, I'd tell him we've proven that both parents are important in our family," Manford said. "It doesn't matter that both those parents are men."

    McCain's Democratic rival, Bara
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    Jul 16, 2008 6:53 AM GMT
    If a traditional couple raising kids is ideal, why was I primarilt raised by my mom due to my father's absence? I'm not posing the question to anyone in particular but I'm just saying I have the experience to say that McCain is making no sense whatsoever icon_neutral.gif

    Having two dads might've been awesome! xD icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 16, 2008 7:06 AM GMT
    It has not worked out to well in my personal circle of friends..And this is a huge understatement but in all cases it was also different races as well.
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    Jul 16, 2008 10:37 AM GMT
    Another reason for gays to not vote Republican. I guess that party does not care too much about the LGBT vote. The Log Cabins have their work cut out for them.
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    Jul 16, 2008 11:11 AM GMT
    Another WTF moment for when someone who's gay tells you that they're Voting for Gramps icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 16, 2008 1:18 PM GMT
    Was this even a surprise to anyone? It was a surprise for me to find out that his wife adopted a child without even discussing it with him first.

    On another note, I'm not going to let McCain's stance just be another ignorant policy as I do plan to adopt one day. There's no need to create another child in a world packed full of parent-less children. Even more of a reason for why Gays and Lesbians should have the right.
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    Jul 16, 2008 1:42 PM GMT
    As I've stated before, as long as American and Western civilization continue to exist, we will get equality and justice. The defense of the Republic is my primary concern and I doubt Senator Obama's ability to handle that task. I have no doubts at all about Senator McCain.

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    Jul 16, 2008 3:28 PM GMT
    This had nothing to do with Obama... but you opened another can.

    So you think as long as we have someone in office who'll "defend" us by driving us into more and more debt that EVENTUALLY our equal civil liberties will just manifest themselves? Did I miss something or is that about on mark?

    John43620 saidAs I've stated before, as long as American and Western civilization continue to exist, we will get equality and justice. The defense of the Republic is my primary concern and I doubt Senator Obama's ability to handle that task. I have no doubts at all about Senator McCain.

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    Jul 16, 2008 3:34 PM GMT
    rhino81 said
    So you think as long as we have someone in office who'll "defend" us by driving us into more and more debt that EVENTUALLY our equal civil liberties will just manifest themselves? Did I miss something or is that about on mark?



    *cough* Hitler *cough*
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    Jul 23, 2008 2:15 PM GMT
    rhino81, just chalk it up to the price of freedom, if you're going to be cheap about it, don't expect to hang on to it.
    The primary issue here is child adoption to same sex couples, this isn't an issue at all. Senator McCain has stated that he leaves this stuff up to the states to decide. A President McCain would have no say in the matter anyway. He just has to play to his base and that's what he's doing.
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    Jul 23, 2008 2:25 PM GMT
    John43620 saidAs I've stated before, as long as American and Western civilization continue to exist, we will get equality and justice. The defense of the Republic is my primary concern and I doubt Senator Obama's ability to handle that task. I have no doubts at all about Senator McCain.



    Frankly the zealots over here scare me a lot more than the zealots over there. Here they're encouraged, they get preferential treatment, and they have more influence. Oh...and they're among us, not thousands of miles away. This is who I'd like for us to defend against ruining this country.
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    Jul 23, 2008 2:28 PM GMT
    John43620 saidrhino81, just chalk it up to the price of freedom, if you're going to be cheap about it, don't expect to hang on to it.
    The primary issue here is child adoption to same sex couples, this isn't an issue at all. Senator McCain has stated that he leaves this stuff up to the states to decide. A President McCain would have no say in the matter anyway. He just has to play to his base and that's what he's doing.


    Talk about playing to his base...it seems you got played by the GOP and are happy wallowing in the aftermath. No wonder you are such a fan of the method.
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    Jul 23, 2008 2:30 PM GMT
    Just another reason to REALLY not pay ANY attention to the fool!!
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    Jul 23, 2008 3:09 PM GMT
    I don't see what the problem is. He sees it as a state issue, which it is.

    Who cares if he supports it or not?
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    Jul 23, 2008 5:11 PM GMT
    Fine. It's a state issue and out of his hands.

    But when a presidential candidate in a general election feels it is politically expedient to basically say "I hate fags too!" in order to attract voters, that's when you know your country is pretty f*cked up.
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    Jul 23, 2008 5:47 PM GMT
    John43620 saidrhino81, just chalk it up to the price of freedom, if you're going to be cheap about it, don't expect to hang on to it.
    The primary issue here is child adoption to same sex couples, this isn't an issue at all. Senator McCain has stated that he leaves this stuff up to the states to decide. A President McCain would have no say in the matter anyway. He just has to play to his base and that's what he's doing.


    Keep telling yourself that when the states start passing laws that allow landlords, realtors, adoption agencies, hospitals, doctors, and employers to discriminate against Gays under the "state's rights" banner.

    McCain is a loose cannon, and simply not as compassionate or as intelligent as Obama. He is dangerous for America. Don't make remarks about freedom and then tout a man who would allow ours to be stripped.
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    Jul 23, 2008 5:57 PM GMT
    XRuggerATX saidFine. It's a state issue and out of his hands.

    But when a presidential candidate in a general election feels it is politically expedient to basically say "I hate fags too!" in order to attract voters, that's when you know your country is pretty f*cked up.


    AMEN brother!
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    Jul 23, 2008 6:20 PM GMT
    The term "throwing the baby out with the bath water" reminds me of you guys.
    Al Qaida has been trying hard to hit us here at home and abroad and the Bush administration has stopped them.
    The Democrats have been opposed to the measures the Bush administration has been using, which means they oppose our success and support Al Qaida's success.

    So, will you feel better when you can marry and fail to care about who dies to get it?

    Al Qaida loves to target urban areas of blue states. They get more bang for their buck and definitely get the whiners going.

    In the long run, an Obama presidency and a Democrat majority in Congress would probably be good for the Republican party, but we hate to lose to terrorists and so, will protect you, if you let us. Vote for Senator McCain, you can trust him to fight back against the terrorists. Senator Obama doesn't know how to begin to accomplish that. The Democrats in Congress are the best allies Al Qaida have.


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    Jul 23, 2008 6:29 PM GMT
    John43620 saidThe term "throwing the baby out with the bath water" reminds me of you guys.
    Al Qaida has been trying hard to hit us here at home and abroad and the Bush administration has stopped them.
    The Democrats have been opposed to the measures the Bush administration has been using, which means they oppose our success and support Al Qaida's success.

    So, will you feel better when you can marry and fail to care about who dies to get it?

    Al Qaida loves to target urban areas of blue states. They get more bang for their buck and definitely get the whiners going.

    In the long run, an Obama presidency and a Democrat majority in Congress would probably be good for the Republican party, but we hate to lose to terrorists and so, will protect you, if you let us. Vote for Senator McCain, you can trust him to fight back against the terrorists. Senator Obama doesn't know how to begin to accomplish that. The Democrats in Congress are the best allies Al Qaida have.




    You're obsessed, paranoid, and your sh*t has never added up.

    Why don't you show us on this teddy bear (*holds up teddy*) where the bearded brown man who talks funny touched you way back when?
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    Jul 23, 2008 7:56 PM GMT
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    John43620 saidrhino81, just chalk it up to the price of freedom, if you're going to be cheap about it, don't expect to hang on to it.
    The primary issue here is child adoption to same sex couples, this isn't an issue at all. Senator McCain has stated that he leaves this stuff up to the states to decide. A President McCain would have no say in the matter anyway. He just has to play to his base and that's what he's doing.


    Keep telling yourself that when the states start passing laws that allow landlords, realtors, adoption agencies, hospitals, doctors, and employers to discriminate against Gays under the "state's rights" banner.

    McCain is a loose cannon, and simply not as compassionate or as intelligent as Obama. He is dangerous for America. Don't make remarks about freedom and then tout a man who would allow ours to be stripped.


    Haha...loose cannon...not as compassionate as Obama...good god. Who gives a shit about who's more compassionate? I want to know who is going to raise taxes, who is going to implement policies that DECREASE our debt and deficits.

    I'm sorry, McCain being against adoption for gays and also that he wouldn't seek any federal legislation just doesn't strike me as an important issue.

    If you're so worried about what your state is doing, pay attention to your state legislature. But no, it's all the President's doing. Give me a break.
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    Jul 23, 2008 8:18 PM GMT
    XRuggerATX saidFine. It's a state issue and out of his hands.

    But when a presidential candidate in a general election feels it is politically expedient to basically say "I hate fags too!" in order to attract voters, that's when you know your country is pretty f*cked up.

    This reminds me of an older issue that was originally left up to the states to regulate - slavery. Recall how well that worked out?
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    Jul 23, 2008 10:39 PM GMT
    XruggerATX, it adds up quite well, during the Clinton administration Al Qaida attacked two embassies and a ship, and planned and prepared for the 9/11/01 attacks.

    President Bush had every right to expect the airport security to be up to the challenge when he took office but he was wrong, he trusted that the Clinton administration had it's act together with something so simple.
    Had Gore won Osama bin Laden would be the president by now.

    So go ahead and vote another Democrat into the Whitehouse.


  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 23, 2008 10:40 PM GMT
    McCain is just pandering to the radical right wing by making these idiotic, anti-gay statements. This is another reason not to vote for McCain and the fucked up GOP. If adoptions by gays is a states issue, than McCain needs to keep his mouth shut about it. As for the few paranoid warmongers on this site, we have been wasting billions of tax dollars and losing thousands of lives fighting this needless war in Iraq. Where has it gotten us? Stop packaging the 9-11 terrorist attacks for continuing this unnecessary war and all this so-called fascist protection in this country which is stripping us of our freedoms.
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    Jul 23, 2008 11:02 PM GMT
    roadikeRob, I see where you're coming from, you just don't support war, any war. Had Americans been like you in 1941, the Nazis would be ruling the US.
    Had Americans been like you in 1861 the blacks would still be slaves and we would have a divided country, and so on and so forth. You say war monger like it's a bad thing.
    I'm done with this subject, remember the conversation.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 23, 2008 11:11 PM GMT
    I was only referring to this disastrous, costly war in Iraq. Your saying that I oppose all war is ridiculous. The civil war and the second world war are totally irrelevant to this conversation so why bring them up? I believe we should go to war only as a last resort when everything else has failed. What we have in Iraq is an unnecesary war based on faulty intelligence, distortions, and bold faced lies. This war in Iraq has only made the rest of the world more suspicious of the USA and its brutal, bullying tactics.