Why bi/gay community so sensitive to Asian race?

  • jtz03932

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    Apr 14, 2012 5:53 PM GMT
    I've been rejected too much lately. I thought they stand for equality but I guess there is a hidden agenda here. I live in a multicultural country but no one that is attracted to the same sex are interested in Asians.

    Why is that?
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    Apr 14, 2012 7:10 PM GMT
    You're most likely short, skinny, submissive, have a small dick, and speak in broken English. In other words, not attractive to gay guys - unless they happen to be twice your age. Such is the way of the jungle.
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    Apr 14, 2012 7:23 PM GMT
    Obviously.
    All the Asian guys with boyfriends clearly coerced or conned those guys into being with them. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 14, 2012 7:28 PM GMT
    Many gays can be sensitive to a lot of things. Anything that does not conform to their narrow perception of what 'should' be. Whether it be race, choice of occupation, style of dress.

    Also, that's why whenever you watch shows like Piers Morgan or Anderson Cooper talking about issues, it's always followed by: In America. These issues aren't existent everywhere it's important to realize that a lot of it is localized.
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    Apr 14, 2012 7:42 PM GMT
    Tallathlete24 said

    Also, that's why whenever you watch shows like Piers Morgan or Anderson Cooper talking about issues, it's always followed by: In America. These issues aren't existent everywhere it's important to realize that a lot of it is localized.


    I'm in Canada...
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    Apr 14, 2012 7:53 PM GMT
    jtz03932 said
    Tallathlete24 said

    Also, that's why whenever you watch shows like Piers Morgan or Anderson Cooper talking about issues, it's always followed by: In America. These issues aren't existent everywhere it's important to realize that a lot of it is localized.


    I'm in Canada...


    I know you were going to say that, But still, think about the concept. What if you were in San Francisco? And what if I were in Stockholm?
  • BmwKid92

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    Apr 14, 2012 8:08 PM GMT
    kung-fu movies corrupted me and never can take you guys seriously now
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    Apr 14, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
    You speak great English for an Asian!!!
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    Apr 15, 2012 2:22 AM GMT
    jtz03932 saidI've been rejected too much lately. I thought they stand for equality but I guess there is a hidden agenda here. I live in a multicultural country but no one that is attracted to the same sex are interested in Asians.

    Why is that?


    I guess it depends on the people. I like asians. I know one of my Asian buds in Toronto gets hit on alot. I think he's into black men though judging by his past relationships. Don't fret just have confidence in yourself =D
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    Apr 15, 2012 2:52 AM GMT
    I like asians. I hooked up with a half asian half white guy a few times around new years. He looked more asian than white. Just keep looking and don't get discouraged, asians are hot.
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    Apr 15, 2012 4:21 AM GMT
    Sometimes you have to be realistic and remember that not only are you living in a multicultural community but also the gay community. Because we are men, we respond more visually than women. Socially, asian are put on the lower scale of attractiveness. In American society (not too sure about Canadian), men who are attractive are taller, bigger, scruffier, etc. That kinda puts us at a disadvantage in a way with genetics. Media influences are in the works here too.

    The unfortunate truth is that we are a superficial group. More because of the fact that we are men rather than gay. Regardless though, keep trying! Rejection happens. And yeah, going to the gym totally helps.
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    Apr 15, 2012 4:23 AM GMT
    jtz03932 saidI've been rejected too much lately. I thought they stand for equality but I guess there is a hidden agenda here. I live in a multicultural country but no one that is attracted to the same sex are interested in Asians.
    Why is that?


    are you only going for "white" guys? if so, why aren't you attracted to Asians?
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    Apr 15, 2012 4:25 AM GMT
    It depends on attitude, interests, conversation, personality ... but for the most part I am attracted to Asian guys.

    I think you have made a sweeping generalization based on a few jerks who rejected you, possibly for other reasons than your looks.

    I would say more but you don't have a face photo. Maybe that is why you get rejected? Most "out" guys are not going to put up with a closet case.
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    Apr 15, 2012 4:36 AM GMT
    Don't sell yourself short. You sound like a decent human being. That puts you ahead of most of the pack, especially some of the gays on here. A good many of the people on here would not even make good neighbors much less spouses. Keep you head up and keep moving ahead.
  • Buddha

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    Apr 15, 2012 4:57 AM GMT
    Tallathlete24 said
    jtz03932 said
    Tallathlete24 said

    Also, that's why whenever you watch shows like Piers Morgan or Anderson Cooper talking about issues, it's always followed by: In America. These issues aren't existent everywhere it's important to realize that a lot of it is localized.


    I'm in Canada...


    I know you were going to say that, But still, think about the concept. What if you were in San Francisco? And what if I were in Stockholm?


    If you were in Stockholm you wouldn't be talking to other people to begin with. That's just how we roll.
  • wpc56

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    Apr 15, 2012 5:00 AM GMT
    Gay guys are the same everywhere, we're superficial.

    If you are hot REGARDLESS of your race, you'll be "popular". If you're not like the rest of the population, you can always work on it... physique, hobbies, interests.

    It has nothing to do with your race really.
  • jtz03932

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    Apr 15, 2012 6:40 AM GMT
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    jtz03932 saidI've been rejected too much lately. I thought they stand for equality but I guess there is a hidden agenda here. I live in a multicultural country but no one that is attracted to the same sex are interested in Asians.
    Why is that?


    are you only going for "white" guys? if so, why aren't you attracted to Asians?


    I go to Canada to celebrate diversity and meet people from different backgrounds. I thought that the majority of the population here is white. I would go back to my own country if I want to date asians.
  • Kjonyou

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    Apr 15, 2012 10:15 AM GMT
    Don't hate me for saying this but most, not all but most Asians are not seen as masculine. Machismo is not a reference equated with Asian men.

    Many other cultures like the Spanish, Italians, Greeks, have a thing about being masculine. Most of these stereotypes have been imported into America and part of our make up.

    Since gay men are attracted to men, I find that usually means they are looking for someone equal to or more masculine then themselves. The more manly the hotter the guy. When was the last time you heard "that femmy queen is hot?"

    Yes spare me the not all Asians are feminine, I didnt say all I said most. There are always exceptions. Most Asian men just are not considered Butch, Masculine or Manly. Can you name me a sports team in America that is mostly Asian and not just a token? Blue collar manly jobs mostly Asian? A police force or fire fighter mostly Asian?

    That being said, I do see a lot of mixed couples of White and Asian men. Of course that is usually a different dynamic where the Asian guy always seem to be the wife in the relationship.

    To be equal opportunity offender, most of the gay Asians I know dont like black people. I have yet to see a black and Asian couple. I am sure they exist, but not in the same numbers as white and Asian. And for that matter I rarely see Asian and Asian. Why is that? A little of the same shallowness maybe?

    So before you come down on gay men for being shallow, look in the mirror at your culture. Even if you are the exception, most Asians are just as if not more shallow when it comes to dating black men or other Asians.

    Same goes for the women, I see a lot of Asian men going after white women, but I rarely see white women going after Asian men. They want men not little girls. Oh, did I say that out loud?
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    Apr 15, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
    Kjonyou saidDon't hate me for saying this but most, not all but most Asians are not seen as masculine. Machismo is not a reference equated with Asian men.

    Many other cultures like the Spanish, Italians, Greeks, have a thing about being masculine. Most of these stereotypes have been imported into America and part of our make up.

    Since gay men are attracted to men, I find that usually means they are looking for someone equal to or more masculine then themselves. The more manly the hotter the guy. When was the last time you heard "that femmy queen is hot?"

    Yes spare me the not all Asians are feminine, I didnt say all I said most. There are always exceptions. Most Asian men just are not considered Butch, Masculine or Manly. Can you name me a sports team in America that is mostly Asian and not just a token? Blue collar manly jobs mostly Asian? A police force or fire fighter mostly Asian?

    That being said, I do see a lot of mixed couples of White and Asian men. Of course that is usually a different dynamic where the Asian guy always seem to be the wife in the relationship.

    To be equal opportunity offender, most of the gay Asians I know dont like black people. I have yet to see a black and Asian couple. I am sure they exist, but not in the same numbers as white and Asian. And for that matter I rarely see Asian and Asian. Why is that? A little of the same shallowness maybe?

    So before you come down on gay men for being shallow, look in the mirror at your culture. Even if you are the exception, most Asians are just as if not more shallow when it comes to dating black men or other Asians.

    Same goes for the women, I see a lot of Asian men going after white women, but I rarely see white women going after Asian men. They want men not little girls. Oh, did I say that out loud?


    To say that machismo does not exist in Asian culture is plain ignorant. Not all machismo is necessarily chest-beating rough-and-tumble.

    You also forgot about this little thing called the martial arts that seems to be popular in America - both traditional and sport - which are heavily influenced by Eastern culture and even used by the US Military to train for hand-to-hand combat. Not to mention the UFC where fighters blend fighting styles, many of which are Asian in origin. And yet, the sport of Muay Thai in Thailand makes UFC fights look like a kindergarten sandbox and has been around before UFC even existed. But hey, you know, knocking someone out with your bare hands and feet isn't manly or anything. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Don't think for one second that the few million Asians residing in North America are an accurate representation of a continent inhabited by over half the world's population. A continent with a long history of conquest and war, complete with raping and pillaging. But hey, let's generalize an entire continent based off the few dozen Asian queens you see at the local gay bars. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 15, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    Lol at the guy who said Asian men aren't masculine.

    If you trained in any type of kung fu. Karate. Muaythai at its origin you would quickly see how tough physically as well as mentally they are to get through it. Plus I respect that some of the asians I met are not trying to mold themselves into hyper masculine males.

    As far as dating I agree its mainsream to see gay asian/white couples but its that's all we look at then we miss out. Ibut that has to come from both sides


    Speaking of masculine. Asian top special agent from the DEA gave a lecture at my class. He was a bit goofy and looked cute but I wouldn't mess with him in a fight
  • Kjonyou

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    Apr 16, 2012 9:38 AM GMT


    "To say that machismo does not exist in Asian culture is plain ignorant. Not all machismo is necessarily chest-beating rough-and-tumble."

    Maybe by Asian Standars LOL

    Just because you fight hand to hand or have been in the military dose not necessary mean you are Masculine. You just classified all women in the military as Macho by those standards. (Lesbians excluded) Being manly is not about being violent.

    Martial Arts is a legitimate art form, but in America it’s usually what you sign your kid up for when he can’t make the football or basketball team and cant handle being with men in a team sport situation.

    In America, watching the supperbowl is practly a national holiday can you say that about martial arts?

    In Latin culture, they invented the word Macho, is there an Asian equivilant to that widely known in America?


    Butch, Beefcake, Manly, Hairy, Hunk, Jock, Muscular, Strapping, Stud….is the first thing in your mind an Asian guy?

    Oh wait I am just being ignorant, really try Goggling those terms, Asian men are not the type of images that pop up. Guess Google is ignorant too.

    Oh wait, I am generalizing, what part of the original question "I live in a multicultural country but no one that is attracted to the same sex are interested in Asians" was not a generalization?

    Generalized Question = Generalized Answered


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    Apr 16, 2012 10:03 AM GMT
    Kjonyou said

    "To say that machismo does not exist in Asian culture is plain ignorant. Not all machismo is necessarily chest-beating rough-and-tumble."

    Maybe by Asian Standars LOL

    Martial Arts is a legitimate art form, but in America it’s usually what you sign your kid up for when he can’t make the football or basketball team and cant handle being with men in a team sport situation.



    I think you're referring to hypermasculinity

    I can't speak for everyone but the people I trained with signed up because they watched too many martial arts and anime and wanted to copy what they saw lol They still played sports. . As for me, basketball was fun, and so was football, but before taking martial arts, I was violent(the irony). Especially in football since I gave a lot of concussions and went out of my way to collide and hurt people.

    Being a martial artist who's deadly is not what makes a person masculine. Someone who trains hard and is very capable but yet can carry on with respect and humility is what makes a person admirable whether male/female. For a male, it's being confident and secure in who you are that makes that person masculine

    Anywhos yes you're giving generalized answers to a generalized question, but we all know better than that. Like I said before, it that's all someone want to focus on that's all they'll see. We should be trying to help this OP look outside the "mainstream" for his own benefit.

    As for the superbowl I understand what you're saying, but how many people watching the superbowl are actually fans of NFL who go through the whole season? lol. Shit how many of these man can even throw or catch a football? lol
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    Apr 16, 2012 12:44 PM GMT
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    are you only going for "white" guys? if so, why aren't you attracted to Asians?[/quote]

    I'm asian. I was born in Australia. I see myself as a white Australian, unless I look in the mirror. I guess that is the power of growing up when your fam is the only asian fam in town! .... these days there's stacks of asians everywhere!

    I seem to always go for white guys because that's what I think I am, it's kind of weird I know, but that's how it is... icon_smile.gif
  • Drift

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    Apr 16, 2012 2:41 PM GMT

    Woah, probably not a good idea to dive into this one, and it's a long running issue, so i guess everyone's heard the lot. But then, it's a long running issue, which means something's not getting through, i guess.

    I won't speak for anyone else, but in my experience in Australia, there is quite a lot of blatant racism, from all 'races'. By the way, wtf does 'asian' mean anyway? There are 56 ethnically distinct racial groups within China alone. And yes, if you cared to look, they actually do look different. Anyway, i'm not gonna make another case to try convince anyone of a race's attractiveness, since anyone i'd be trying to convince obviously has their priorities in the wrong order.

    For those who do feel like they're on the receiving end of discrimination, i'd like to ask some questions. What are you going to do about it, besides accept it, and talk? Have you also let go of your own discriminations? I know i still struggle all the time with mine, handed down with my blood. Can you find forgiveness for those too ignorant to know otherwise? Will you be a force in the world that lifts that ignorance?
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    Apr 16, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
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    "To say that machismo does not exist in Asian culture is plain ignorant. Not all machismo is necessarily chest-beating rough-and-tumble."

    Maybe by Asian Standars LOL

    Just because you fight hand to hand or have been in the military dose not necessary mean you are Masculine. You just classified all women in the military as Macho by those standards. (Lesbians excluded) Being manly is not about being violent.



    Just because you play sports or work a blue collar job, doesn't necessarily make you masculine either. By that same standard, you just classed all the women in the WNBA and female construction workers as masculine . icon_rolleyes.gif

    But what do I know? I'm just a femmy Asian queen that never found tossing a ball around to be much fun. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Kjonyou saidButch, Beefcake, Manly, Hairy, Hunk, Jock, Muscular, Strapping, Stud….is the first thing in your mind an Asian guy?


    Nope. The first terms that come to mind are: Honor, Discipline, Duty to Family, Diligence, Creativity, Wisdom, and Self-Control - traits that I learned from my father, and traits that I (and many non-Asian American men, too) associate with masculinity. If you consider muscle mass and hair to be the only markers for manliness, then I know a couple of female bodybuilders and hippies that would like to have a word with you.

    Kjonyou said
    Oh wait I am just being ignorant, really try Goggling those terms, Asian men are not the type of images that pop up. Guess Google is ignorant too.


    Google, an American search engine, turns up images of 99% white men. What does that prove other than American media puts white men on a pedestal? By those standards, Black and Latino guys aren't masculine either. Oh wait...