CONSERVATIVES !! Republicans and Christian Fundi's favorite LOBBY AIPAC IS NOW ASKING FOR ANOTHER $ 700 MILLION --- you gonna give it to them without complaint ?

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    Apr 17, 2012 4:31 AM GMT
    This New request is in addition to 3 Billion they already get per year, and about 3O million additionally, that was granted to them earlier this year.

    What value are Average Americans getting for this waste of money which allows Israel to maintain its Illegal Occupation and maintain Settlement building, which goes against peace, creates enemies which are costing the US tax payer's Billions in defense costs.


    This is madness !!!! But Jezuz is interpreted by christian fundi's as saying to Honor Israel, so they Influence Congress to go along and of course they want that Israeli Lobby AIPAC influence and money so Here we go again, supporting Israel's interests over our own. These same idiots are pushing for war with Iran too, just how much money are going to put out for this 'frienemy' ?



    YNETNEWS.COM



    Israel asks US for $700 million in military aid


    Jerusalem requests Washington to allocate funds for more Iron Dome, Magic Wand anti-missile batteries. Deal will provide Israel with near-complete missile defense until 2015

    Ron Ben-Yishai



    Israel asks US for $700 million in military aid


    "Jerusalem requests Washington to allocate funds for more Iron Dome, Magic Wand anti-missile batteries. Deal will provide Israel with near-complete missile defense until 2015 "

    Ron Ben-Yishai Published: 04.04.12, 19:20 / Israel News








    "Israel has asked the United States for assistance estimated at $700 million in order to produce more Iron Dome and Magic Wand missile and rocket defense batteries, sources told Ynet on Wednesday"


    What do you say to this request ?

    YES OR NO ?

    What are we getting for all this money down the ISRAELI LOBBY PITT other than a lot of Middle Eastern enemies over 'Carte Blanche' support of Israels lawbreaking and intransigence when we try to work toward peace ?
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    Apr 17, 2012 6:41 AM GMT
    The Zionists are always causing trouble, and expect everyone to feel sorry for them.



    AIPAC: Aggressive Israeli Parasite, America's Cancer
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    Apr 17, 2012 5:53 PM GMT
    Where are all the RJ Budget Deficit and National debt hawks ??


    Interesting how AIPAC and Christian Fundi Propaganda causes these give aways for Israel to be overlooked as we here at home in the US suffer economic hard times and our debt keeps rising.

    Oh well, as the 'evil one' Cheney says, "DEFICITS DON'T MATTER" !! especially if the christian Fundi's bible tells congressemen we won't be blessed if we don't bless Israel with a yes to their every request. Think about it !! this really is what is happening and everyone is so afraid of the AIPAC 'Anti Semite' charge that they look the other way and send them some more money while Israel spends theirs and some of the 3 billion we send them on theft of Palestinian land for settlements and protecting Settlers who stir shit.
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    Apr 17, 2012 10:38 PM GMT
    Would Conservatives and Christian Fundi's rather give $700 million for another AIPAC driven cause or see it spent here in the US ?

    Is it correct that there's a great deal of hypocrisy involved in the silence over what AIPAC wants as apposed to what our own citizens, purhaps the poor may want and need here at home ?
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    Apr 18, 2012 3:09 AM GMT
    Aggressive Israeli Parasite, America's Cancer.

    Long live the United States.

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    Apr 18, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
    Well, that third temple is going to build itself, ya know.

    There are red heifers to be sacrificed and Red China has a 200M man army raring to march across the dried Euphrates river bed and etc. etc. Hal Lindsey etc etc. End of the world stuff etc etc.

    Some group of suckers gotta foot the bills for all of that.
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    Apr 18, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
    $700 Billion or $700 Million?
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    Apr 18, 2012 4:36 PM GMT
    tokugawa said$700 Billion or $700 Million?




    Million !!! Error corrected
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    Apr 18, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidWell, that third temple is going to build itself, ya know.

    There are red heifers to be sacrificed and Red China has a 200M man army raring to march across the dried Euphrates river bed and etc. etc. Hal Lindsey etc etc. End of the world stuff etc etc.

    Some group of suckers gotta foot the bills for all of that.






    So do you support the continuous begging from the Israeli Lobby based on their also coninuous play of the vidtim card, as their reason behind the supposed need for more and more and more US subsidies for their fear mongering ?

    This time its $700 Million, earlier in this last year it was $30 Million, last year it was other amounts in addition to the already $3 Billion subsidy we give them annually in spite of our economic problems.

    So shall we give them this additional money ?

    Wouldn't this money be best either not spent or spent here at home ?

    This is nearly the same amount that the republicans have spent years excoriating Obama and the Dems over spending on the stimulus pachage in his first year in office.

    Yet not one godamn word of complaint from this same group when it comes to spending on Israel's fear mongering. OH THE HYPOCRISY !!!!
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    Apr 19, 2012 3:32 AM GMT
    RLD:

    I was trolling the thread. ;)
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    Apr 19, 2012 4:14 AM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidRLD:

    I was trolling the thread. ;)
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Well that's certainly an inteligent reaction to our government throwing away $700 million isn't it ? LOL

    What's the matter, you don't think $700 million is significant because it goes to Israel ?

    So you make light of it by trolling ? Somethings F'd up about this !!
    Oh that's right !!! Anything Israel wants is OK, their actions never need scrutiny, We shouldn't discuss giveaways to Israel or Hypocrisy involving such expenditures, because that's not nice and its 'Anti Semitic' to point any facts out as long as Israeli's are involved. so we go into 'troll' mode to avoid reality and the serious nature of such give aways at US tax payer expense.

    This exhibition of fear to be critical of Israel gets rediculous, I have to wonder would some of you turn your heads and ignore it at any amount the AIPAC crowd might beg for on behalf of Israel ?

    How About $1 trillion, would that amount be ok to be critical of Israel over, regardless of the 'Anti Semite' charge from the Israeli Lobby AIPAC ? At what point do you say enough is enough of give aways for Israel's playing the victim card to go begging for US Tax Payer dollars ?
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    Apr 19, 2012 5:51 AM GMT
    I troll because I love. icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 19, 2012 7:33 AM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidI troll because I love. icon_wink.gif




    Well love is good sweety, and if you have nothing inteligent to add or fear the subject matter , then 'love' will work.


    But back to the subject:




    With the US in such deep debt and with that debt raising daily because of budget shortfalls, The last damn thing we need to do is go into more debt by another $700 million for Israel over its fearmongering based on lies about Irans threat to substantiate the need for the funds.

    Since the US Congress, Senate, President, think tank dual nationals that pushed us to war with Iraq, the US Media and other 'officials', have ignored the facts that IRAN DID NOT THREATEN TO WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP,

    Maybe now that A TOP ISRAELI OFFICIAL ACKNOWLEDGED the above fact exposing that the 'threat basis' is non existent, then our leaders need to do some rethinking on sending funds to Israel that we need here at home

    If the conservatives led by the the Israeli lobby AIPAC and their 'useful idiot' Christian Fundi's, who are for 'Carte Blanche' support of Israel over their bible beliefs don't want to add to the debt, where do they propose to get the funds?

    1.Do these people want to take funds from our elderly safety nets to give $700 million to Israel over thie trumped up threat ?

    2. Do they want to take $700 million from US education to give to Israel over their supposed threat ?

    3. Do they want to take $700 million from US Welfare programs for Families With Dependent Chldren ?

    4. Shall we take the funds from our US Highway and infrastructure projects to give $700 million to Israel over their trumped up threat to be "wiped off the map" ?

    If the $700 million isn't to come from the above, where do we get it ? Barrow it ? I thought conservatives were against adding to the debt ?

    HYPOCRISY ANYONE ?
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    Apr 19, 2012 11:26 AM GMT
    It is like a broken record with some folks up in here.

    US debt is horrifying. And $700M USD is a pittance - our annual operating budget for a particular governmental activity is around $150M/annum, so squeezing up $700M from somewhere is a small matter if it is deemed necessary by the powers that are.

    But no one little thing will topple us off of the edge - though odds are good that public debt and general worthlessness of the dollar will move in the future to prevent us from sinking around in the Middle East as much.

    America is well on her way to becoming a second rate power and a NON-factor in global politics; much like post-WW2 Britain, it will take a generation or two for that to sink in, perhaps a tad longer, as we are fond of clapping our own backs and chanting "USA! USA! USA!" while the smarter folks in India, China, and a few other places in East Asia emerge for their time/place in the sun.
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    Apr 19, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidIt is like a broken record with some folks up in here.

    US debt is horrifying. And $700M USD is a pittance - our annual operating budget for a particular governmental activity is around $150M/annum, so squeezing up $700M from somewhere is a small matter if it is deemed necessary by the powers that are.

    But no one little thing will topple us off of the edge - though odds are good that public debt and general worthlessness of the dollar will move in the future to prevent us from sinking around in the Middle East as much.

    America is well on her way to becoming a second rate power and a NON-factor in global politics; much like post-WW2 Britain, it will take a generation or two for that to sink in, perhaps a tad longer, as we are fond of clapping our own backs and chanting "USA! USA! USA!" while the smarter folks in India, China, and a few other places in East Asia emerge for their time/place in the sun.



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    Then lets spend that $700 million 'pittance' here at home putting it to work on infrastructure and the like that puts money in the hands of our own citizens, and not just to make some military supplier even wealthier in a foreign country (Israel) that is basing this need on a lie. the lie that Iran is threatening Israel's very existence. AGAIN !!!! ISRAEL'S TOP OFFICIAL STATED THAT NO !!! "IRAN DID NOT THREATEN TO WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP"

    So therefore our US powers that be, should be distancing themselves from such an expenditure based on a lie used by Israel for propaganda purposed to go begging yet again based on their perpetually expounding on their false victim status.

    As to your last sentence: You are right about the US lagging influence and one of the major reasons is that the US is seen as less legitimate and less of a "factor in global politics", particularly in the Middle East, can be solely layed in the lap of US subservient 'Carte Blanche' adherence to whatever the Israeli Lobby AIPAC and the far right Israeli Leadership wants and pushes for.

    Our US Government Foreign Policy efforts fall flat because the world is watching and see's very clearly that US Officials are bought and paid for by the Israeli Lobby's influence and money. Read from Israeli sites for yourself and the notations to this fact from the international community is astounding. Yest US Voters are totally ignorant because its considered 'anti semite' to expose these facts.

    Do some reading and prove me wrong.

    Keep in mind George Washinttons warning against Favoring one nation over others and making their issues our issues, their enemies our enemies. His warnings and the results he spoke of expose exactly the situation we are in over 'Carte Blanche' of Israels wish lists at this very moment.

    Further: I suggest that it would be hard to beat the broken record of the Conservatives / AIPAC crowd against our own interests where Israel is concerned. Truth often repeated is still hard pressed to beat out a "a well timed propaganda lie well told and often repeated"


    Please do dispute the above with some facts, not AIPAC propaganda.
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    Apr 20, 2012 10:20 AM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidIt is like a broken record with some folks up in here.

    US debt is horrifying. And $700M USD is a pittance - our annual operating budget for a particular governmental activity is around $150M/annum, so squeezing up $700M from somewhere is a small matter if it is deemed necessary by the powers that are.

    But no one little thing will topple us off of the edge ...


    Wasn't it a straw that broke the camel's back?
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    Apr 20, 2012 12:24 PM GMT
    Here's a couple reasons to deny this request from Israel's Lobby AIPAC in addition to the request being based on lies about the Iranian threat.

    From AntiWar.com


    AIPAC lobbies for billions of U.S. tax dollars to go to Israel instead of rebuilding America. While our country is reeling from a prolonged financial crisis, AIPAC is pushing for no cuts in military funds for Israel, a wealthy nation. With communities across the nation slashing budgets for teachers, firefighters, and police, AIPAC pushes for over $3 billion a year to Israel.

    10. Money to Israel takes funds from world’s poor. Israel has the 24th-largest economy in the world, but thanks to AIPAC, it gets more U.S. tax dollars than any other country. At a time when the foreign aid budget is being slashed, keeping the lion’s share of foreign assistance for Israel means taking funds from critical programs to feed, provide shelter for, and offer emergency assistance to the world’s poorest people.

    The bottom line is that AIPAC, which is a de facto agent for a foreign government, has influence on U.S. policy out of all proportion to the number of Americans who support its policies. When a small group like this has disproportionate power, that hurts everyone — including Israelis and American Jews.

    From stopping a catastrophic war with Iran to finally solving the Israel-Palestine conflict, an essential starting point is breaking AIPAC’s grip on U.S. policy.