Natural Medicine/ Herbs

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    Apr 17, 2012 9:18 AM GMT
    How many of you believe that Herbs heal better than most Chemical prescribed medications? Talking about Natural Medicine here -VS- Big Pharma. Any one have a testimonial about healing an illness with holistic treatments ? If So, Post it here! Thanks =]
  • mikey_101

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    Apr 17, 2012 11:23 AM GMT
    Big pharmacutical companys make drugs mostly from plant based sources.

    Rather than use the plants themselves - wich of course they cannot patent and exploit for cash - which have loads of compounds working together in synergy, they chose to remove an 'active part', modify it and refine it further removing other beneficial compounds.

    Its then synthesised into an analogue, patented and sold for massive profit.

    I think I will stick with the plants.

    Pharmacuticals are a complete scam - side effects that cause other longertm problems that then need diffrent drugs to counteract the side effects.... ad infinitum.

    They want you ill - just ill enough to need treatment - longterm cash-cow.

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    Apr 17, 2012 11:25 AM GMT
    I believe in the combination...

    Depending on what the ailment is. - I have taken herbal remedies that worked great, and some that didn't work as well as drugs...

    I do believe there is value in both.

  • mikey_101

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    Apr 17, 2012 11:25 AM GMT
    Incidently I have seen basal cell carcinoma all but vanish with the use of Apple Cider Vinegar.

    Doctors wanted to use PhotoDynamicTherapy in conjunction withn a creme that costs £1000 a tube.

    Home made ACV for free with wild apples works a treat.

    Pharma is a scam.
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    Apr 17, 2012 12:43 PM GMT
    Yes for a lot of diseases and for prevention herbs and vitamins may be the better choice. For many infections though Pharma works... wouldn't you rather do a shot for rabies....lol.

    I had really bad asthma when i was a kid.... messed up my whole childhood in a lot of ways and in other ways it probably made me a better person. I was on all the drugs and they weren't helping in fact i was getting worse. Used my puffer 3x just to walk to school. Anyway, the big change was when i overheard the doctor telling my parents not to expect me to live past my teens.
    It was the whack on the back of the head with the 2x4 that i needed. I started doing research..... went to a chiro.... that helped... slowly weened my self off of the drugs.... Vitamin C and exercise.... i was still bad, but i was alive.... in my 20's i saw a specialist in the big city.... after testing said i had the CED rate of a 45yo alcoholic. Recommended a slew of Vitamins.... and COFFEE. "Whenever you need to use your puffer have a cup of coffee without sugar... and caffeinated. WOW what a lung rebuilder. Then i found lime juice... squeezed the juice out of 2 limes added water no sugar.... and it was a high potency bioflavanoid Vitamin C that worked as an anti inflammatory. Relaxed my lungs.... cleaned up poison ivy... no arthritis... it was all good. Went to holistic type doctor found some more things... laying off the corn and wheat products.... what a bonus.
    Now i'm a walking encyclopedia on the stuff....lol. Most viral infections i take garlic.... had acid reflux from over doing the coffee... so it's aloe vera juice or apple cider vinegar. Into gardening heavy now... it's just all good..... and the best part .... i've had a great life... i look good, feel good and i can be as active as i want.

    So, there's my rant.... take care of yourselves... don't give up... and be happy.
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    Apr 17, 2012 12:54 PM GMT
    I generally think the problem with pharmaceuticals is the same as most others.... dependency and side effects... When I was taking asthma medication, it just made the symptoms worse over time and me inhaling more... later I found out I could just drink coffee and even tobacco helped, and I could use wild marijuana for my migraines too... but they have their own side effects and dependency issues ahem.... considering that you have to burn those substances.... although steaming them is perfectly possible too

    Alternatively, I usually found I can use natural herbs for most anything and forgo the pharmaceuticals.. but I would still use them if the situation got very serious and I needed something very strong.. They just wouldnt be my first line of defense
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    Apr 17, 2012 1:11 PM GMT
    To a degree, I agree that herbs have a important place in our medicine cabinet.

    There are other circumstances where drugs like antibiotics have evolved out of necessity beyond the humble mould's that they once were and are definately pharma and not natural medicine.

    Anyone got a herbal solution to Gonorrhea? Syphilis? how about Chlamydia? - A herbal vaccine for HPV or Hep A/B?

    I use cranberry for cystitis, I use bioflavinoids and Acai for vascular health, all kinds of supplements - so I'm not a nay-sayer - I Just think there are limits ....
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    Apr 17, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
    I'd like to see you treat cancer with an "herb."

    In conjunction with western medicine, I think your herbal remedies are fine. ANYTHING you put in your body has side effects though, especially on the endocrine system and a lot of times you really don't want to fuck with that.
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    Apr 17, 2012 2:16 PM GMT
    Hey Velo.... check out that new study at Guelph Univ.... on what cancers garlic can actually cure or prevent....
  • iHavok

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    Apr 17, 2012 2:25 PM GMT
    There was an article that caught my eye on yahoo a few weeks ago about the carcinogens levels in ancient Chinese cures...made me wish i'd remembered to read it before now :-(

    That being said, I live my Olive Leaf extract. Shit does wonders for minor infections!
  • mikey_101

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    Apr 17, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
    Velociraptor saidI'd like to see you treat cancer with an "herb."

    In conjunction with western medicine, I think your herbal remedies are fine. ANYTHING you put in your body has side effects though, especially on the endocrine system and a lot of times you really don't want to fuck with that.


    please see my post above.

    Humbile Bicarbonate of Soda has a modest effect on cancer,
    Manuks honey,
    Maple syrup,
    apple cider vinegar.... all holistic cancer comabing potential.
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    Apr 17, 2012 3:38 PM GMT
    Riiiiiight. Maybe I'll give you a handful of these magic beans, too.

    If melanoma could be treated with garlic and honey, why isn't it? If I were to eat a honey garlic potion for a metastisizing lymphoma, you're telling me I'll go into remission? I wanna know the exact mechanism of action of this miracle panacea. I believe that certain foods will reduce inflammation in the body, and act as a neoplasmic retardant, but not as a supernatural agent that will cure you once you have the disease. What about for surgery? If someone has a hiatal hernia and needs surgery, what are you going to have them eat so you can safely perform quadruple incision laparoscopic nissen fundoplication?

    Anyone who has studied upper level pharmacology knows how drugs work and a lot of the claims made by ignorant people about how drug companies try to keep us in a constant state of medication just aren't true. Yes they're a business and yes they want to make a profit but drugs should be scripted only when absolutely necessary. Like it says on my profile I have fundamental disagreements with aspects of western medicine, but if I get strep throat or something that can and should be treated with drugs, I'm gonna get my antibiotic and I'm gonna get my painkiller so I can have my chicken soup, which from my understanding has natural things in it to also relieve discomfort and aid the healing process.
  • mikey_101

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    Apr 17, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
    Velociraptor saidRiiiiiight. Maybe I'll give you a handful of these magic beans, too.

    If melanoma could be treated with garlic and honey, why isn't it? If I were to eat a honey garlic potion for a metastisizing lymphoma, you're telling me I'll go into remission? I wanna know the exact mechanism of action of this miracle panacea. I believe that certain foods will reduce inflammation in the body, and act as a neoplasmic retardant, but not as a supernatural agent that will cure you once you have the disease. What about for surgery? If someone has a hiatal hernia and needs surgery, what are you going to have them eat so you can safely perform quadruple incision laparoscopic nissen fundoplication?

    Anyone who has studied upper level pharmacology knows how drugs work and a lot of the claims made by ignorant people about how drug companies try to keep us in a constant state of medication just aren't true. Yes they're a business and yes they want to make a profit but drugs should be scripted only when absolutely necessary. Like it says on my profile I have fundamental disagreements with aspects of western medicine, but if I get strep throat or something that can and should be treated with drugs, I'm gonna get my antibiotic and I'm gonna get my painkiller so I can have my chicken soup, which from my understanding has natural things in it to also relieve discomfort and aid the healing process.


    Each to their own mate........

    Its also interesting to note you demand the method of action - this is not something that pharmacology always is able to provide either.

    I will take any of those magick beans you have aswell, cheers.

    What is it about western medicin you fundamenataly agree with yet firmly believe in?

  • Lincsbear

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    Apr 17, 2012 10:31 PM GMT
    I think the preventative value of a healthy lifestyle is much underrated.
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    Apr 17, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
    You asked me what aspects of western medicine I disagree with. Here are just a few.

    Maybe I have a naive point of view when it comes to this, but it's only because I believe in doing what is most noble in the human spirit (which sometimes is also viewed as naive.)

    1. Healthcare practitioners are trained to medicate much of the time, and again when it's necessary, great. But sometimes it makes the condition worse.

    2. They frequently don't think outside the box. The ones that do open up their own practices and are often considered brilliant. They're the ones that are able to perform surgeries that other doctors can't and are successful.

    3. The billing. Ever notice how only elective procedures have costs that are listed up front?
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    Apr 17, 2012 11:09 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidI think the preventative value of a healthy lifestyle is much underrated.


    It is also virtually ignored when it comes down to it, by traditional medical doctors, but not all. Many people talk about preventative medicine but it is more talk than walk, or it isn't preventative at all. It's more drugs, and only after you have the disease.

    I believe there is a role for both natural and some "medical" solutions. I forgot the name of it, but I had a serious infection within hours from a simple hang nail on my finger. The finger by the nail was just was a little red and warm, really not different than anything lots of us have experience once in a while. Then a discolored vein showed under my skin by my hand and hourly and consistently extended up my arm, so I went to the emergency room. They immediately put me on an inter venous antibiotic, saying the line was leading toward the brain. They caught it to prevent this. They said that if it reached the brain, I would have gone into a coma, if remember, not sure if they said i could have died. I'm grateful to say the least.

    On the other hand, I have been terribly abused by medications prescribed by the medical community, particularly antidepressants and those which affect mood (the most commonly prescribed medications).

    I am working with someone through nutrition and supplements on similar matters and low testosterone. I look forward to find out what I can accomplish with it. Just started.
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    Apr 17, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    timct:

    try tongkat ali for your low T. 200:1 extract from indonesia (buy it on ebay.)
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    Apr 18, 2012 4:21 AM GMT
    Im studying drugs right now.. I think I prefer learning how to get people to heal and eat and live healthy rather than be on drugs lol
  • commoncoll

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    Apr 18, 2012 5:53 AM GMT
    I like how people blame others for dependency and discount medical advice

    The fact is people WANT antibiotics and drugs for when they go to the doctor. People WANT antidepressants even though they don't work better than exercise for most people. People WANT steroids or a pill for a pulled muscle when it really isn't going to solve the problem. It's just like people go ask the doctor if this diet or this miracle food or this miracle drug or this miracle surgery make me thing, you know what? It probably won't.

    There are many things that will cure disease, but which of them come at a good price and will prolong life- it ain't going to be some herb.

    As somebody said, drugs are made from active parts of plants. You are much more likely to get an allergic reaction to plants than to be cured by it.

    As more and more research is being conducted, the etiological causes of diseases like asthma and cancers are found having an immunological overstimulation/understimulation in the body.

    You know what will improve asthma, ingesting some worms. Just be sure you take them out before you die of diarrhea. Stop using antibacterial soaps and wipes on everything.
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    Apr 18, 2012 8:09 AM GMT
    onaquest saidI believe in the combination...

    Depending on what the ailment is. - I have taken herbal remedies that worked great, and some that didn't work as well as drugs...

    I do believe there is value in both.



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    Apr 18, 2012 8:12 AM GMT
    Tell someone with a terminal illness to suck down some herbal tea. icon_rolleyes.gif

    No.

    Sure, if you have a headache...you can inhale some peppermint extract...but if something is serious, no - you need western medicine.
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    Apr 18, 2012 8:20 AM GMT
    commoncoll saidI like how people blame others for dependency and discount medical advice

    The fact is people WANT antibiotics and drugs for when they go to the doctor. People WANT antidepressants even though they don't work better than exercise for most people. People WANT steroids or a pill for a pulled muscle when it really isn't going to solve the problem. It's just like people go ask the doctor if this diet or this miracle food or this miracle drug or this miracle surgery make me thing, you know what? It probably won't.

    There are many things that will cure disease, but which of them come at a good price and will prolong life- it ain't going to be some herb.

    As somebody said, drugs are made from active parts of plants. You are much more likely to get an allergic reaction to plants than to be cured by it.

    As more and more research is being conducted, the etiological causes of diseases like asthma and cancers are found having an immunological overstimulation/understimulation in the body.

    You know what will improve asthma, ingesting some worms. Just be sure you take them out before you die of diarrhea. Stop using antibacterial soaps and wipes on everything.


    Ehm, pretty much disagree to too much of this, not to mention you're contradicting yourself on several locations, but I have no time to discuss, so I will leave it alone
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    Apr 18, 2012 8:21 AM GMT
    7Famark saidTell someone with a terminal illness to suck down some herbal tea. icon_rolleyes.gif

    No.

    Sure, if you have a headache...you can inhale some peppermint extract...but if something is serious, no - you need western medicine.


    Lol, how is peppermint extract NOT western? You mean modern medicine perhaps icon_wink.gif

    And a terminal illness.. by the definition of "western" medicine.. is uncurable.. you're better off with the herbal tea . unless of course, you decide to prolong your life uncomfortably, but then it comes to the ethical choice of how you wish to die.. thats a different matter
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    Apr 18, 2012 8:22 AM GMT
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    7Famark saidTell someone with a terminal illness to suck down some herbal tea. icon_rolleyes.gif

    No.

    Sure, if you have a headache...you can inhale some peppermint extract...but if something is serious, no - you need western medicine.


    Lol, how is peppermint extract NOT western? You mean modern medicine perhaps icon_wink.gif


    I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant, thanks for nit-picking though.
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    Apr 18, 2012 8:24 AM GMT
    There are some things a home remedy can do better then what Pharm medicine can do and vice versa.

    It's up to the person in question to decide what they feel will work best for them. They both don't have their pros and cons.