Gay rights activists see Mormons softening attitudes toward their community

  • metta

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    Apr 17, 2012 7:01 PM GMT

    Gay rights activists see Mormons softening attitudes toward their community


    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/17/gay-rights-activists-see-mormons-softening-attitudes-toward-their-community/
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    Apr 17, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
    Oh. At first, I thought that maybe they had agreed to stone us only with rocks that measured 5 or less on Mohs scale of hardness...
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    Apr 17, 2012 11:55 PM GMT
    Don't be fooled. We're approaching an election with Mittens in the ring. Softening attitude now might mean fascist oppression later.
  • metta

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    Apr 17, 2012 11:58 PM GMT
    ^
    I was thinking that may have something to do with it as well.
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    Apr 18, 2012 12:01 AM GMT
    GAMRican saidDon't be fooled. We're approaching an election with Mittens in the ring. Softening attitude now might mean fascist oppression later.
    ... and ever vigilance is the right price. This*
  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 18, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
    The main thing this story uses as evidence of the Mormon's "progress" on gay issues is the leadership of Brigham Young stating the "It Gets Better" video participants will "not be punished."
    Wow, you Mormons have really opened your hearts. Congrats on the massive show of love and acceptance.
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    Apr 18, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidThe main thing this story uses as evidence of the Mormon's "progress" on gay issues is the leadership of Brigham Young stating the "It Gets Better" video participants will "not be punished."
    Wow, you Mormons have really opened your hearts. Congrats on the massive show of love and acceptance.


    How kind of them. We won't punish them. We'll just ferret them out, shun them, and all of a sudden they will leave or kill themselves of their own volition.
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    Apr 18, 2012 3:08 AM GMT
    AlterEgo saidOh. At first, I thought that maybe they had agreed to stone us only with rocks that measured 5 or less on Mohs scale of hardness...


    I think you're confusing Mormons with Muslims. icon_twisted.gif
  • waccamatt

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    Apr 18, 2012 3:11 AM GMT
    GAMRican saidDon't be fooled. We're approaching an election with Mittens in the ring. Softening attitude now might mean fascist oppression later.


    I totally agree - wolves in sheep's clothing. I don't believe it for a minute.
  • waccamatt

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    Apr 18, 2012 3:12 AM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    AlterEgo saidOh. At first, I thought that maybe they had agreed to stone us only with rocks that measured 5 or less on Mohs scale of hardness...


    I think you're confusing Mormons with Muslims. icon_twisted.gif


    Same difference.
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    Apr 18, 2012 3:12 AM GMT
    waccamatt said
    JakeBenson said
    AlterEgo saidOh. At first, I thought that maybe they had agreed to stone us only with rocks that measured 5 or less on Mohs scale of hardness...


    I think you're confusing Mormons with Muslims. icon_twisted.gif


    Same difference.


    Sir, I think you've just won the argument. I defer to you.
  • sfdann

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    Apr 18, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    AlterEgo saidOh. At first, I thought that maybe they had agreed to stone us only with rocks that measured 5 or less on Mohs scale of hardness...


    I think you're confusing Mormons with Muslims. icon_twisted.gif


    Well said JB. At this point, the only group Americans distrust more than Mormons are Muslims. It is always shocking to me how we all just accept the fear and live with it. Fear of African Americans. Fear of Asians. Fear of Mormons. Fear of Muslims. And, of course, Fear of Gays. And we're still 'Proud Americans.' It is especially difficult to see the prejudice leap out from one minority group towards another - so at least 'my' minority group isn't the 'most hated.'

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely - and every single leader we elect chooses that path - not because he's (or she's) African American or Mormon or a Catholic but because they are power hungry people. It is foolish to suggest that only certain types of people will behave in certain ways. Humans are humans and under the same pressures and circumstances, most will behave in a similar way. Greater moral character is not a trait that can be attributed to one race or religion of people in any greater proportion.

    And before a bunch of Mormon haters jump on here to refute it (and I'm not Mormon so no offense taken here), but you really should know how many Mormons are struggling right now with a more moderate society - wanting to embrace it. The news you hear is always going to be the extremists. But every day Mormons are truly more moderate, practical and modern than most Americans will ever take the time to know.
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    Apr 18, 2012 3:34 AM GMT
    sfdann said
    JakeBenson said
    AlterEgo saidOh. At first, I thought that maybe they had agreed to stone us only with rocks that measured 5 or less on Mohs scale of hardness...


    I think you're confusing Mormons with Muslims. icon_twisted.gif


    Well said JB. At this point, the only group Americans distrust more than Mormons are Muslims. It is always shocking to me how we all just accept the fear and live with it. Fear of African Americans. Fear of Asians. Fear of Mormons. Fear of Muslims. And, of course, Fear of Gays. And we're still 'Proud Americans.' It is especially difficult to see the prejudice leap out from one minority group towards another - so at least 'my' minority group isn't the 'most hated.'

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely - and every single leader we elect chooses that path - not because he's (or she's) African American or Mormon or a Catholic but because they are power hungry people. It is foolish to suggest that only certain types of people will behave in certain ways. Humans are humans and under the same pressures and circumstances, most will behave in a similar way. Greater moral character is not a trait that can be attributed to one race or religion of people in any greater proportion.

    And before a bunch of Mormon haters jump on here to refute it (and I'm not Mormon so no offense taken here), but you really should know how many Mormons are struggling right now with a more moderate society - wanting to embrace it. The news you hear is always going to be the extremists. But every day Mormons are truly more moderate, practical and modern than most Americans will ever take the time to know.


    I think the point is that being anti-gay is their company line. As long as Mormon anti-gay indoctrination camps exist and they oppose the equality of me and my people, they are my enemy.
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    Apr 18, 2012 5:19 AM GMT
    waccamatt said...

    I think the point is that being anti-gay is their company line. As long as Mormon anti-gay indoctrination camps exist and they oppose the equality of me and my people, they are my enemy.


    Repeal their 501c3 tax exempt status. That will level the playing field quite a bit.
  • Cutlass

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    Apr 21, 2012 8:20 AM GMT
    I'm a bit suspicious too of this new revelation from the mormon church. They have a habit of speaking with a forked tongue, speaking from both sides of their mouths, doubletalk, and a two-faced facade--all of which means the same thing: They can't be trusted. Like the catholic church that supposedly teaches "hate the sin, love the sinner," who says I'm a sinner for just being who I am?
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    Apr 21, 2012 9:06 AM GMT
    Now as the ex Bishop said, he was not talking for the church it's self. Thus he testimony is his own. There are many parents of with gay children, who have not stoped loving their children, yet still are Good Mormons. My 95yo Gran mama, is Mormon and her heart is full of love and acceptance for me. I have mates I grew up, that still behold care for me, but It does sadden them, that it's I myself who pushed them away.

    Some here will want to push the propaganda it's only because a Mormon may be in the White House soon. But this attatude by members of church is nothing new.

    Also over the up and coming months we are going see those who's hearts are full of hate and contempt for anything Mormon, and everything religus and conservative too; overlooking their own issues of hate and contempt. Wanting to blame them them The Church of Jesus Christ of latter Day Saints for prop8 passing, but that was a referendum, put in the hands of the people of California. People of many different religions, and ethnic backgrounds, that said yes to the passing of Prop8. The price you pay for living in a democracy, and not a dictatorship, were the minority have all the say.
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    Apr 21, 2012 9:32 AM GMT
    waccamatt said
    JakeBenson said
    AlterEgo saidOh. At first, I thought that maybe they had agreed to stone us only with rocks that measured 5 or less on Mohs scale of hardness...


    I think you're confusing Mormons with Muslims. icon_twisted.gif


    Same difference.


    No Much difference, albeit both have a book after the Bible, and both have prophets, and one has plural marrage, and one gave it up so their land could become a US State Utah, in a country that wanted them all exterminated, instead of the other wanting to exterminate a whole country; thus a big diffrence.
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    Apr 21, 2012 10:23 AM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    waccamatt said
    JakeBenson said
    AlterEgo saidOh. At first, I thought that maybe they had agreed to stone us only with rocks that measured 5 or less on Mohs scale of hardness...


    I think you're confusing Mormons with Muslims. icon_twisted.gif


    Same difference.


    Sir, I think you've just won the argument. I defer to you.


    Jews as well.. its in the bible!
  • SkyMiles

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    Apr 21, 2012 11:38 AM GMT
    By all means, let's live in a kinder, gentler theocracy where Mormons will only spend a few million dollars to deny us the rights and equality that should never have been theirs or anyone's' to take away in the first place.

    Those worthless sacks of s@*t have made their position ABUNDANTLY clear.
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    Apr 21, 2012 12:56 PM GMT
    I do not question the empathy and compassion of the individual follower. I have no doubt that alone a Mormon; an Orthodox Jew; a Muslim or a Catholic would abhor an injustice against me.

    Yet collectively, they can manage to lose their humanity.

    The support of Prop 8, done as covertly as possible by the Mormon Church, was an atrocity against human dignity.

    I suspect that many individual Mormons could see this......IF they were ever allowed to, by their totalitarian leaders.
  • metta

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    Apr 21, 2012 5:18 PM GMT

    Beautiful!

    STRAIGHT MORMONS SAY IT GETS BETTER: VIDEO

    http://www.towleroad.com/2012/04/straight-mormons-say-it-gets-better-video.html

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    Apr 21, 2012 5:32 PM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    AlterEgo saidOh. At first, I thought that maybe they had agreed to stone us only with rocks that measured 5 or less on Mohs scale of hardness...

    I think you're confusing Mormons with Muslims. icon_twisted.gif

    The difference is it is to some politically correct to minimize actions of some Muslims, including executing gays, but politically advantageous to scrutinize Mormons. Doesn't fool anyone. Motives are clear.
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    Apr 21, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
    GAMRican saidDon't be fooled. We're approaching an election with Mittens in the ring. Softening attitude now might mean fascist oppression later.


    ^^^This. x10k. Nothing short of apologetic groveling is enough from them.
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    Apr 21, 2012 5:40 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    JakeBenson said
    AlterEgo saidOh. At first, I thought that maybe they had agreed to stone us only with rocks that measured 5 or less on Mohs scale of hardness...

    I think you're confusing Mormons with Muslims. icon_twisted.gif

    The difference is it is to some politically correct to minimize actions of some Muslims, including executing gays, but politically advantageous to scrutinize Mormons. Doesn't fool anyone. Motives are clear.


    While to still others it's "politically correct" to minimize the radical differences between types of Muslims in order to make some rightward political point relevant only to domestic politics (most right-wingers have never said a word against the persecution of LGBT people here or abroad).
  • SkyMiles

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    Apr 21, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
    NOT buying this "we're no so bad" softer Mormon crap. TV ads Mormons paid for swung the Prop 8 vote and there's no denying it -- ads where poor, doe-eyed school kids were traumatized, scarred for life by having been force-fed the horrifying concept of same-sex unions by their teachers, and worse. It's too late to 'walk back' a multi-million dollar hate campaign gearing toward denying civil rights.
    If Mormon's really want to show they've changed, let's see it in their actions.