Democratic firm Public Policy Polling shows Gov. Scott Walker pulling ahead of Democratic rivals

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    Apr 18, 2012 2:35 PM GMT
    Hmmm I am surprised this hasn't been posted. While the WP calls it a slim lead - it's been a move up for Walker but as another columnist noted, this shift is almost wholly the result of independents which does not bode well for the Democrats (and their public union supporters who have gone all in in this fight).

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/scott-walker-leads-democratic-rivals-in-new-wisconsin-recall-poll/2012/04/16/gIQAeJbGMT_blog.html

    A new robopoll from the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling shows Gov. Scott Walker (R) with a slim lead over both likely Democratic rivals in the June Wisconsin recall election. Walker leads Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett 50 percent to 45 percent and former Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk 50 percent to 43 percent.
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    I posted this, but some threads are not as active for some reason LOL and tend to get pushed down quicker.

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    Apr 20, 2012 10:32 PM GMT
    the reason this thread isnt popular is because the democrats have lost this fight in Wisconsin...Walker will win again by about 4-5 points over who ever the unionista bosses pick to run against him. The other recall senators all enioy a double digit lead in the polls over the tax and spend hacks the dems are putting out there.

    If you want to see how pathetic the democratic party is just follow what is going on in our state. it is a mirror image of the national party line....do nothing, solve nothing and blame everyone else....oh, and tax the rich will solve all of our countries fiscal train wreck.
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    Apr 23, 2012 10:57 PM GMT
    Announced today that Gov. Walkers reforms have saved the state over one billion dollars. It has gotten so bad for the democraps and national unionistas in our state that they have pulled TV ads for thier hand picked candidate Kathleen Faulk because they know she can't win. The other democrat running is mayor of Milwaukee Tom Barrett who lost to Walker in the last election. Barrett can't win because he has done nothing for the city of milwaukee except make it the 4th poorest city in the country. He even used the same reforms created by the Gov. to save the city some money.

    The national unions are in panic mode here because they know how important this recall is to the national landscape. This will be the second most important election behind the presidential election. If Walker wins this recall Wisconsin will go republican in the fall election and Obama cant win another term if he doesnt carry Wisconsin.

    In a side note its funny how all the changes made here are working and Walker is being crucified yet our neighbors to the south in Illinois are facing a more dire budget deficit and their Gov. Quinn (D)is proposing the same type of reforms our Gov has done here. He wants concessions from the public unions to fund ther own pensions by contributing to thier health costs and pensions
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    It looks like the triumphalism of a number of leftists here were sorely misplaced.

    http://governorsjournal.com/2012/04/dga-acknowledges-walker-lead/

    DGA Acknowledges Walker Lead

    In an urgent email from the political director of the Democratic Governors Association, the DGA seeks contributions to help put an anti-Scott Walker(R) ad on the air in Wisconsin. They’ve set a midnight deadline to reach their fundraising goal.

    According to the message from Dan Sena, the ad, financed at least in part by the DGA, makes the case that Walker has focused so much of his energy on an “anti-worker, anti-woman agenda” that he has failed to lead on job creation.

    What’s most notable in the blast email however is the DGA’s acknowledgement that its top candidates for Walker’s job are only “within the margin of error” instead of leading in the latest polling.

    This is a change from the language used in recent DGA fundraising material on the Walker race which claimed Walker was trailing Democratic candidates in hypothetical, special election match ups.

    The DGA cites polling showing Walker leading Milwaukee Mayor Barrett by two points and Kathleen Falk by four.

    It is further evidence that Walker has pulled out front in recent weeks and that Barrett is the stronger of the two front runners on the Democratic side.

    If trends continue toward Walker it will become increasingly difficult to raise funds against him. Even union leadership has acknowledged that at some point it would make sense to pull resources away from the Wisconsin recall election and apply them toward the presidential race, if it appears Walker is going to survive.
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    Apr 24, 2012 12:01 AM GMT
    no, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat
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    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)
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    Apr 24, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Christian,
    Don't even bother responding. This is the same guy who was screaming about all the fake signatures that would show up on the recall petitions.
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    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Yes that is precisely the reason Democrats refuse to enforce photo identification at the ballot box. Because it's far more important to be restrict the sale of tobacco and alcohol (or buy a firearm for that matter) than it is to vote. Like seriously? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Yep nothing to see here - (from a cursory search on this new fangled thing called "google" - I hear all the cool kids are using it):
    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=7747590
    [url]http://www.startribune.com/local/west/105807633.html?elr=KArksicon_biggrin.gifCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnDayc_MDCi_oO4aDk87EaDUr
    [/url]
    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/10/michelle_obama_electioneering.html

    Where do you get your information from? DemocraticUnderground? Of course this doesn't count all the instances that the Justice department has chosen not to investigate like the Black Panthers, etc. Please educate yourself. Why are you so afraid to have voters provide proof of who they are at the ballot box?
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    mke_bt said
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Christian,
    Don't even bother responding. This is the same guy who was screaming about all the fake signatures that would show up on the recall petitions.


    Yeah because that never happened icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/06/scott-walker-recall-forged-signature_n_1258338.html
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    Apr 24, 2012 12:45 AM GMT
    mke_bt said
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Christian,
    Don't even bother responding. This is the same guy who was screaming about all the fake signatures that would show up on the recall petitions.


    yes I did, and thousands were fake and many more thousand were invalid. It has gotten so bad for the unionistas here that they cant even run a recall election on what they had thier tantrum about...collective bargaining privledges... because its a losing issue for them. When asked what the democratic opponents would do to move the state forward they had no awnser.

    Since (D) Gov Doyle got booted

    state assembly went republican conservative majority
    state senate went republican conservative majority
    state senator russ feingold (D) beaten like a drum by ron johnson
    soon to be ex senator (rubber stamp) kohl (D) retiring to be senate leading tommy thompson


    Walker fixed it !
    dont Faulk it up, we can't Barrett
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    Apr 24, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    mke_bt said
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Christian,
    Don't even bother responding. This is the same guy who was screaming about all the fake signatures that would show up on the recall petitions.


    Yeah because that never happened icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/06/scott-walker-recall-forged-signature_n_1258338.html


    They never debate the facts or can admit that what Walker did is working as will be the case when Gov Quinn from Illinois does the same thing....oh will i love to hear them when that happens
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    Apr 24, 2012 1:08 AM GMT
    jock_1 said
    mke_bt said
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Christian,
    Don't even bother responding. This is the same guy who was screaming about all the fake signatures that would show up on the recall petitions.


    yes I did, and thousands were fake and many more thousand were invalid. It has gotten so bad for the unionistas here that they cant even run a recall election on what they had thier tantrum about...collective bargaining privledges... because its a losing issue for them. When asked what the democratic opponents would do to move the state forward they had no awnser.

    Since (D) Gov Doyle got booted

    state assembly went republican conservative majority
    state senate went republican conservative majority
    state senator russ feingold (D) beaten like a drum by ron johnson
    soon to be ex senator (rubber stamp) kohl (D) retiring to be senate leading tommy thompson


    Walker fixed it !
    dont Faulk it up, we can't Barrett


    You really need to read the GAB report. FIVE fake names, 4001 duplicates, 26,000 incomplete.
    Ron Johnson, MIA. Even Mitch McConnell has delegated him to the kid's table.
    State Senate split 50/50.
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    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Yes that is precisely the reason Democrats refuse to enforce photo identification at the ballot box. Because it's far more important to be restrict the sale of tobacco and alcohol (or buy a firearm for that matter) than it is to vote. Like seriously? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Yep nothing to see here - (from a cursory search on this new fangled thing called "google" - I hear all the cool kids are using it):
    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=7747590
    [url]http://www.startribune.com/local/west/105807633.html?elr=KArksicon_biggrin.gifCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnDayc_MDCi_oO4aDk87EaDUr
    [/url]
    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/10/michelle_obama_electioneering.html

    Where do you get your information from? DemocraticUnderground? Of course this doesn't count all the instances that the Justice department has chosen not to investigate like the Black Panthers, etc. Please educate yourself. Why are you so afraid to have voters provide proof of who they are at the ballot box?


    Thanks for proving that, in fact, there is no issue of voter fraud int he US with your sad attempt to point to voter registration fraud and Michelle Obama's "electioneering". icon_lol.gif
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Yes that is precisely the reason Democrats refuse to enforce photo identification at the ballot box. Because it's far more important to be restrict the sale of tobacco and alcohol (or buy a firearm for that matter) than it is to vote. Like seriously? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Yep nothing to see here - (from a cursory search on this new fangled thing called "google" - I hear all the cool kids are using it):
    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=7747590
    [url]http://www.startribune.com/local/west/105807633.html?elr=KArksicon_biggrin.gifCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnDayc_MDCi_oO4aDk87EaDUr
    [/url]
    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/10/michelle_obama_electioneering.html

    Where do you get your information from? DemocraticUnderground? Of course this doesn't count all the instances that the Justice department has chosen not to investigate like the Black Panthers, etc. Please educate yourself. Why are you so afraid to have voters provide proof of who they are at the ballot box?


    Thanks for proving that, in fact, there is no issue of voter fraud int he US with your sad attempt to point to voter registration fraud and Michelle Obama's "electioneering". icon_lol.gif


    I just threw that in to show what little regard apparently the current Administration has for enforcing electoral law. But thank you again for showing that in fact you have no ability to recognize voter fraud when it exists.
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    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Yes that is precisely the reason Democrats refuse to enforce photo identification at the ballot box. Because it's far more important to be restrict the sale of tobacco and alcohol (or buy a firearm for that matter) than it is to vote. Like seriously? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Yep nothing to see here - (from a cursory search on this new fangled thing called "google" - I hear all the cool kids are using it):
    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=7747590
    [url]http://www.startribune.com/local/west/105807633.html?elr=KArksicon_biggrin.gifCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnDayc_MDCi_oO4aDk87EaDUr
    [/url]
    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/10/michelle_obama_electioneering.html

    Where do you get your information from? DemocraticUnderground? Of course this doesn't count all the instances that the Justice department has chosen not to investigate like the Black Panthers, etc. Please educate yourself. Why are you so afraid to have voters provide proof of who they are at the ballot box?


    Thanks for proving that, in fact, there is no issue of voter fraud int he US with your sad attempt to point to voter registration fraud and Michelle Obama's "electioneering". icon_lol.gif


    I just threw that in to show what little regard apparently the current Administration has for enforcing electoral law. But thank you again for showing that in fact you have no ability to recognize voter fraud when it exists.


    Please... You know less about election law in the US than you do about Michelle Obama. Which is a lot.

    Voter fraud is not forging someone's name on a recall petition. It's not putting fake names on a registration card. It's none of those things. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Yes that is precisely the reason Democrats refuse to enforce photo identification at the ballot box. Because it's far more important to be restrict the sale of tobacco and alcohol (or buy a firearm for that matter) than it is to vote. Like seriously? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Yep nothing to see here - (from a cursory search on this new fangled thing called "google" - I hear all the cool kids are using it):
    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=7747590
    [url]http://www.startribune.com/local/west/105807633.html?elr=KArksicon_biggrin.gifCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnDayc_MDCi_oO4aDk87EaDUr
    [/url]
    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/10/michelle_obama_electioneering.html

    Where do you get your information from? DemocraticUnderground? Of course this doesn't count all the instances that the Justice department has chosen not to investigate like the Black Panthers, etc. Please educate yourself. Why are you so afraid to have voters provide proof of who they are at the ballot box?


    Thanks for proving that, in fact, there is no issue of voter fraud int he US with your sad attempt to point to voter registration fraud and Michelle Obama's "electioneering". icon_lol.gif


    I just threw that in to show what little regard apparently the current Administration has for enforcing electoral law. But thank you again for showing that in fact you have no ability to recognize voter fraud when it exists.


    Please... You know less about election law in the US than you do about Michelle Obama. Which is a lot.

    Voter fraud is not forging someone's name on a recall petition. It's not putting fake names on a registration card. It's none of those things. icon_rolleyes.gif


    So it's not registering fake voters or having felons vote?
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    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidno, they cant scream fraud....the dems have the voter ID bill held up in lefty madison courts waiting for the state supreme court to rule but it wont happen untill after the election. so the dems have plenty of time to cheat


    Right... If only there was ever a single instance of voter fraud on the Democratic side, you might have a point.

    (And don't get stupid and cite voter registration fraud, which happens on both sides and is largely due to third party registrants.)


    Yes that is precisely the reason Democrats refuse to enforce photo identification at the ballot box. Because it's far more important to be restrict the sale of tobacco and alcohol (or buy a firearm for that matter) than it is to vote. Like seriously? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Yep nothing to see here - (from a cursory search on this new fangled thing called "google" - I hear all the cool kids are using it):
    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=7747590
    [url]http://www.startribune.com/local/west/105807633.html?elr=KArksicon_biggrin.gifCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnDayc_MDCi_oO4aDk87EaDUr
    [/url]
    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/10/michelle_obama_electioneering.html

    Where do you get your information from? DemocraticUnderground? Of course this doesn't count all the instances that the Justice department has chosen not to investigate like the Black Panthers, etc. Please educate yourself. Why are you so afraid to have voters provide proof of who they are at the ballot box?


    Thanks for proving that, in fact, there is no issue of voter fraud int he US with your sad attempt to point to voter registration fraud and Michelle Obama's "electioneering". icon_lol.gif


    I just threw that in to show what little regard apparently the current Administration has for enforcing electoral law. But thank you again for showing that in fact you have no ability to recognize voter fraud when it exists.


    Please... You know less about election law in the US than you do about Michelle Obama. Which is a lot.

    Voter fraud is not forging someone's name on a recall petition. It's not putting fake names on a registration card. It's none of those things. icon_rolleyes.gif


    So it's not registering fake voters or having felons vote?


    Voter fraud is the act of someone voting under a name other than their own, or voting under their name in a district that is not theirs.

    Those are the two things that voter ID laws would address and they happen so infrequently that they have no bearing on the election system.

    Registering fake voters is irrelevant since they are often struck during data clean up and don't show up to vote since they don't exist.

    In terms of felons, the laws vary by state and most studies suggest the felons who have the right to vote in their state are more likely to be eliminated from the roles illegally (a huge problem in Florida) than are felons in states where they are not permitted to vote.

    Frankly, felons are still citizens and I don't see how its constitutional to deny them the right to vote even during incarceration, but certainly after they've served their time.
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    Christian73 saidVoter fraud is the act of someone voting under a name other than their own, or voting under their name in a district that is not theirs.

    Those are the two things that voter ID laws would address and they happen so infrequently that they have no bearing on the election system.

    Registering fake voters is irrelevant since they are often struck during data clean up and don't show up to vote since they don't exist.

    In terms of felons, the laws vary by state and most studies suggest the felons who have the right to vote in their state are more likely to be eliminated from the roles illegally (a huge problem in Florida) than are felons in states where they are not permitted to vote.

    Frankly, felons are still citizens and I don't see how its constitutional to deny them the right to vote even during incarceration, but certainly after they've served their time.


    Color me skeptical. It's quite difficult to prove voter fraud:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8922947

    And those who perpetrate it know this. It's easier to show registration fraud. But it still defies imagination as to why Democrats and extremists are so vociferously against showing photo ID as if it is some onerous requireement to prove who you are before you vote when it's required to buy tobacco, alcohol, and purchase a firearm.

    It's also quite likely voter fraud in the US is quite a bit higher than is reported:
    http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud
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    Christian73 saidVoter fraud is the act of someone voting under a name other than their own, or voting under their name in a district that is not theirs.

    Those are the two things that voter ID laws would address and they happen so infrequently that they have no bearing on the election system.

    Registering fake voters is irrelevant since they are often struck during data clean up and don't show up to vote since they don't exist.

    In terms of felons, the laws vary by state and most studies suggest the felons who have the right to vote in their state are more likely to be eliminated from the roles illegally (a huge problem in Florida) than are felons in states where they are not permitted to vote.

    Frankly, felons are still citizens and I don't see how its constitutional to deny them the right to vote even during incarceration, but certainly after they've served their time.


    Color me skeptical. It's quite difficult to prove voter fraud:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8922947

    And those who perpetrate it know this. It's easier to show registration fraud. But it still defies imagination as to why Democrats and extremists are so vociferously against showing photo ID as if it is some onerous requireement to prove who you are before you vote when it's required to buy tobacco, alcohol, and purchase a firearm.

    It's also quite likely voter fraud in the US is quite a bit higher than is reported:
    http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud


    Riddler - This is where you run afoul of not understanding our political system. The right to vote is intrinsic and 200 years of legal precedent say it is unassailable.

    The only reason the right-wing supports voter ID laws is because the voters who don't have ID are most likely to be Democratic voters. There is nothing in it about protecting our country. It's utterly cynical politics.
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    Christian73 saidVoter fraud is the act of someone voting under a name other than their own, or voting under their name in a district that is not theirs.

    Those are the two things that voter ID laws would address and they happen so infrequently that they have no bearing on the election system.

    Registering fake voters is irrelevant since they are often struck during data clean up and don't show up to vote since they don't exist.

    In terms of felons, the laws vary by state and most studies suggest the felons who have the right to vote in their state are more likely to be eliminated from the roles illegally (a huge problem in Florida) than are felons in states where they are not permitted to vote.

    Frankly, felons are still citizens and I don't see how its constitutional to deny them the right to vote even during incarceration, but certainly after they've served their time.


    Color me skeptical. It's quite difficult to prove voter fraud:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8922947

    And those who perpetrate it know this. It's easier to show registration fraud. But it still defies imagination as to why Democrats and extremists are so vociferously against showing photo ID as if it is some onerous requireement to prove who you are before you vote when it's required to buy tobacco, alcohol, and purchase a firearm.

    It's also quite likely voter fraud in the US is quite a bit higher than is reported:
    http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud


    Riddler - This is where you run afoul of not understanding our political system. The right to vote is intrinsic and 200 years of legal precedent say it is unassailable.

    The only reason the right-wing supports voter ID laws is because the voters who don't have ID are most likely to be Democratic voters. There is nothing in it about protecting our country. It's utterly cynical politics.


    You mean like non citizens? You could easily turn this around and say those who aren't eligible to vote are most likely to be Democratic voters which is equally cynical - and also quite likely the case.
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    Apr 26, 2012 5:03 PM GMT
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    Milwaukee public schools budget for 2013 calls for the closing of 8 schools and firing of 433 teachers and administrative employees......my oh my how proud you must be for your union to fight so hard for you keep your jobs. Instead they just keep getting richer and richer off your forced union dues and keep there bloated salaries for which they do little to earn. While most of the school boards across the state took advantage of the act10 reforms Gov. Walker enacted. They saved millions of wasted dollars on over priced union mandated insurance contracts, gave raises to teachers who actually had outstanding performance, actually hired more teachers instead of fired them and have the ability to run thier own school districts instead of being told what to do by the unions.

    Instead Milwaukee public school and a few others across the state rammed through contracts before the act10 law took affect. even after the teachers union voted down to give 2.5% of a 3% raise they were given to save jobs. This just goes to show how much of a non-people caring bunch of blood suckers unions are. They care about no one but their existance. Cant blame Walker on this one.

    I just cant figure out what has happend to the democratic party in my state. It seems they are only for government workers instead of the majority of thire party.
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