UPDATE: Shitty Jobs: When to say "enough"

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    Apr 20, 2012 1:54 AM GMT
    So i've been in a low-paying/shitty job for a year and a half. They've been baiting me along for some time by promising me this nice raise/promotion. Its been 5 months and there's been nothing.

    They've been firing people and giving me their responsibilities, expecting more and more while giving less and less. I'll be in a worse position if i leave because (other than the fact that i won't have an income) I'll have to explain to prospective employers why i left and still won't look that great on paper.





    My question is this: I realize that everybody has had shitty jobs, but when do you finally say enough is enough and leave the place?



    UPDATE:


    Some recent developments, which lead me to another set of questions to pose:


    I was actually offered a promotion after being strung along for several months. Throughout the interview process, they were open with me about what i could expect in terms of added responsibilities on top of the normal duties of this role. They were also open about what my supervisor was making and the range that i could expect.

    After delaying the discussion on wages for about 2 weeks from letting me know i was selected, they came in really low with their initial offer. I turned that down and explained my argument for why i deserved what i listed as my minimum.

    They came up a very miniscule amount, which was still not where it should be.

    I turned it down.

    Many people told me to take it until i found something else, but i thought it'd put me in a much worse position having a management level position for a short period of time and looking for something else. Was i wrong?


    So, that's all in the past and it's time to move on. Which brings me to my next question...



    ..... Does anybody have any leads? ;)
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    Apr 20, 2012 1:58 AM GMT
    dude u need to set urself up with another job ASAP.....

    start looking now. Apply places. go on interviews. Get urself a new job. You've already made this thread.....u know u've already had enough..u gotta make it happen man.
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    Apr 20, 2012 2:07 AM GMT
    Sorry to say mate but jobs like yours dont ever get you anywhere, start looking for a new one. better to do this before you quit your current job although not always necessary.
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    Apr 20, 2012 2:09 AM GMT
    PART B:

    I've BEEN looking for another job. I don't want to be another person saying "the job market sucks"... but the job market sucks.

    My experience is a bit all over the place and i'm learning that i don't look great on paper. if i leave, it won't be easy for me to find something else.
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    Apr 20, 2012 2:11 AM GMT
    PART C:

    Is anybody's company hiring?





    (.... seriously ..... i have no shame and i'm THAT desperate)
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    Apr 20, 2012 2:14 AM GMT
    ...BURN THAT FUCKER TO THE GROUND!....cause they will abuse you until they burn you out and fire you..... go to school and get educated and more marketable!
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    Apr 20, 2012 2:39 AM GMT

    I'm trying NOT to resort to violence, (i.e. "burning that fucker to the ground")

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    Apr 20, 2012 2:39 AM GMT
    But that HAS been tempting icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 20, 2012 2:41 AM GMT
    RealJocular saidBut that HAS been tempting icon_smile.gif


    Heres a quote you might enjoy while pondering your situation...

    Let the bridges I burnt in the past, light my way ahead.
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    Apr 20, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
    Sporty_g said...BURN THAT FUCKER TO THE GROUND!....cause they will abuse you until they burn you out and fire you..... go to school and get educated and more marketable!


    beyond the attention grabbing headline....did you read the part about GOING TO SCHOOL FOR AN EDUCATION?.....EVEN a Certification to get you out of the current situation.....
    REMEMBER.....All of your needs have already been met by the Universe.....It is up to you to harness that abundance.......GOOD LUCK!
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    Apr 20, 2012 2:59 AM GMT

    I was just messing around. That IS something i've considered, but i really don't know what to concentrate in. I don't like my current position, so i don't know if i want to continue in that direction.

    Although...

    if you had said punch a hole in the wall, i wouldn't have hesitated!
  • LJay

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    Apr 20, 2012 4:06 AM GMT
    Import has the right idea, though it is hard to do. You have to find a job. One place many do not use enough is your state employment office. At least they can help you with getting your self together.

    In the meantime, you probably do have to put up with your present job. If they lay you off because of the economy or such, you can get unemployment. Not much, but it helps. So do food stamps if you qualify.

    In addition to getting another job to replace the current one, consider some kind of part time thing that you can use to store up some funds. consider also that you may find a sideways move that is better than what you have, though not ideal.

    Good luck. It is tough, but you have assets, so get 'em together.
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    Apr 20, 2012 5:16 AM GMT
    http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1164820--overworked-and-underpaid-join-underearners-anonymous?bn=1
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    Apr 20, 2012 5:28 AM GMT
    RealJocular saidPART B:

    I've BEEN looking for another job. I don't want to be another person saying "the job market sucks"... but the job market sucks.

    My experience is a bit all over the place and i'm learning that i don't look great on paper. if i leave, it won't be easy for me to find something else.
    Don't send out generic resumes. You have to modify your resume for each company you send one to, so that your skills align with the requirements of the job you're applying for.
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    Apr 20, 2012 7:39 AM GMT
    Please think about this carefully. The job market is a disaster - I can't say that enough. I know people who are college and post-grads, myself included, who are having a horrible (major emphasis on horrible) time finding stable, marketable employment. Education is not the cure-all it may have once been, if anything, I find a lot of employers look down on us.

    I strongly suggest 'feeling' around for any potential job openings or internships you can find while you grit your teeth at your current job. There is no guarantee you will be able to find a job AT ALL if you quit the current one you have. Regrettably, this is the M.O. of most employers nowadays. Until employees and/or labor unions rebel, employers will probably continue to abuse and marginalize employees. Employers have become like most Americans.... they expect everything, but don't want to pay for it.
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    Apr 20, 2012 9:38 PM GMT
    AMAZINGLY, I have just recently been seeing job postings with a NO MORE THAN a experience qualifier! WTF! As if they are already saying "we dont want to pay you"!!
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    Apr 20, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
    RealJocular saidMy question is this: I realize that everybody has had shitty jobs, but when do you finally say enough is enough and leave the place?


    When you feel like you aren't being valued. I think you are at that point. Start looking for another job before leaving this one. Have a job to go to then quit! I wouldn't even give two weeks notice.
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    Apr 20, 2012 10:13 PM GMT
    I'm in the same boat. I just half-quit (quit at one of two branches I work at). That might temporarily hold over my sanity. Been applying for stuff, had a brief interview yesterday that I did not get a good vibe from, and overall don't know how much longer I can take it, with or without another job lined up.
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    Apr 20, 2012 10:18 PM GMT
    RealJocular saidPART C:

    Is anybody's company hiring?





    (.... seriously ..... i have no shame and i'm THAT desperate)


    What kind of work do you do? Would you consider something in hospitality? I went from a job that I'll bet was shittier than yours....and found paradise!

    And my company is hiring.

    If you want some details, do you mind dropping me an e-mail?
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    Apr 20, 2012 10:47 PM GMT
    RealJocular said

    I'll have to explain to prospective employers why i left and still won't look that great on paper.

    My question is this: I realize that everybody has had shitty jobs, but when do you finally say enough is enough and leave the place?


    It's easy...

    After nearly two years in the role I felt I had reached the limit of ability to develop, I'd be lying if I said at times I felt I wasn't given the recognition I was due for my willingness to be flexible and expand upon my responsibilities to meet the needs of the workplace but I found it was hindering my ability to progress, in that the more work I took it upon myself to do... the more essential I became within my current position... I expressed this several times to management but the company frequently shuffled managers around and I felt I was being lost in the shuffle and not to be egotistical but that I made it so that it would have been too disruptive to move me from that position
  • kiwi_nomad

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    Apr 20, 2012 10:58 PM GMT
    yes definitely been there done that! was working for a great company for nearly 3 years - great in the sense that everyone there was like a 'family' to me but after about 2 years the family-factor just couldn't overcome the fact that I had been doing the same boring job at a crap rate despite constant promises from management it will turn into something better. After 18 months of asking it just didn't so I threw in the towel and left without having another job lined up, thinking it wouldn't be such an issue to find another job.

    Well it did take a few months to find a stable income, but only because I had started up my own business and it took that long for things to really ramp up.

    After recently being back on the job hunt (and in another country too) I did find it is a really competitive market! There appear to be many jobs going - however there are just as many if not more people applying for the jobs.

    I cannot stress this enough - just remain in your current job no matter how shit it is, UNTIL you find a better job. Start applying for as many jobs as you can - it's purely a numbers game! I must have applied for perhaps 50~60 jobs, had acknowledgements from perhaps less than half of them, and about a dozen interviews of which I finally had 3 job offers put on the table. But this whole process took MONTHS and it wasn't until the last few weeks that there was really some activity from employers in terms of interviews and acknowledgements happening.
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    Apr 20, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
    You have to start thinking of alternatives man. They will never stop dicking you around. Trust me, I know, my old employer did the same to me. I put in my notice and planned to go to school next year. Granted, I still dont have a job but the market out here in Montana sucks balls for anyone who has a college education. I get maybe 3 or 4 interviews total, and the one job offer I got was way to sketchy (they ended up pulling it from me because I asked for time to think about it and they said no, dodged that fucking bullet!).

    But anyhow, you are more valuable than you think. You need to get a plan B. Let them know they cant treat someone with talent like that. When I quit my job and put my resume on the search engines, my phone blew up from every single competitor my old company had in a 10 mile radius. Not only that, but 50% of my client base left 3 days after I did. My employer kind of learned his lesson, he wasnt an all mighty position of power, he has to treat people well or they give you the finger back.

    Best decision I ever made. Granted Im living at home now, with nothing to do but bake pies and go to the gym, but still, thank God Im not making those asses any money anymore.
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    Apr 26, 2012 2:48 AM GMT

    To add yet another problem to the mix...

    I don't look good on paper. I KNOW i can impress people during interviews and demonstrate my value very early on in any job, but my experience is all over the place and i've been applying to positions for about 6 months with very few bites.

    I think my only way IN is to know somebody, but i don't. I've expressed that i'm willing to relocate, willing to start at the bottom, willing to do just about anything.

    (this really wasn't intended to be a forum for me to complain! i DO, however, appreciate all of the advice)
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    Apr 26, 2012 2:51 AM GMT
    Don't leave until you have something new.

    If you don't know anybody, get to know them. Find the manager or the HR person, invade their office, make yourself known, shake their hand and say "I wanted to give you this resume/cover letter in person".
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    Apr 26, 2012 2:55 AM GMT
    Davis510 said

    So i've been in a low-paying/shitty job for a year and a half. They've been baiting me along for some time by promising me this nice raise/promotion. Its been 5 months and there's been nothing.

    They've been firing people and giving me their responsibilities, expecting more and more while giving less and less. I'll be in a worse position if i leave because (other than the fact that i won't have an income) I'll have to explain to prospective employers why i left and still won't look that great on paper.





    My question is this: I realize that everybody has had shitty jobs, but when do you finally say enough is enough and leave the place?
    It's easy to tell a prospective employer that you simply got burned out and wanted a change of scenery. There's no shame in changing jobs for that reason. icon_wink.gif