The purpose of Homosexuality?

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    Apr 21, 2012 7:34 AM GMT
    Due to a recent case of insomnia, I spent a lot of time reading scientific studies and other articles on the possible causes of homosexuality. After all my reading I've come to the conclusion that all these "studies", whether they support or refute homosexuality as being a genetic condition, are either too bias or flawed in their approach.

    Instead of being concerned with the mind-numbing contradictions of the studies, I'm now unable to think of anything other than one question. What is the practical purpose of homosexuality? Everything in our universe exists because it has some purpose; no matter how small. right? So, in that regard, what justifies the existence of homosexuality? I've seen claims about it being a natural population limiter or an evolutionary effect for increasing our population's productivity, but I'm not sure what I believe.

    I'm not trying to make any controversial claims here. I'm just genuinely curious to hear what others think.
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    Apr 21, 2012 7:53 AM GMT
    I've wondered about this as well. There was one thing that I read in an article that said that as a family has more sons, the younger sons have a higher probability of being gay. I'm a second son and my gay cousin is also a second son. A small correlation there maybe?

    Potentially a evolutionary mechanism? Hypothetically, if a family were to have 10 sons and they were all straight, good chance to spread genetics. If a family had 10 sons where 9 were gay, only one can spread the family genes. Not sure where I'm going with this but maybe it could be beneficial? Thoughts?
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    Apr 21, 2012 7:54 AM GMT
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    Apr 21, 2012 8:04 AM GMT
    MtnRider saidI've wondered about this as well. There was one thing that I read in an article that said that as a family has more sons, the younger sons have a higher probability of being gay. I'm a second son and my gay cousin is also a second son. A small correlation there maybe?

    Potentially a evolutionary mechanism? Hypothetically, if a family were to have 10 sons and they were all straight, good chance to spread genetics. If a family had 10 sons where 9 were gay, only one can spread the family genes. Not sure where I'm going with this but maybe it could be beneficial? Thoughts?


    Well, what if homosexuality increased in frequency as more sons were born as an evolutionary effect to benefit society? If a mother has that many sons, maybe something biologically signals a fetus for homosexuality. The purpose might be since there were previous males born, a homosexual one might arise for reasons such as: lessening mating competition between the population or since we don't need that many males to reproduce for our species' survival, homosexual's serve to make our species more productive because they don't have to focus on reproducing.
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    Apr 21, 2012 8:06 AM GMT
    I reckon the most logical one would be population limiter, but I guess there could be other things. Maybe it frees up the number of childless males, thereby allowing some adult males to look after other people's children?

    Dying from childbirth seems to have been a common cause of death before the 20th century; this probably meant fewer adult females in a given population. Perhaps being gay (or bisexual, at least) allowed males to cooperate and parent better?

    Also, if we assume that gay males don't mate, but randomly pop up in any given population, then this would definitely increase the adult:child ratio in any population, which would serve to improve the whole group's chance of survival.

    (I just came up with these so feel free to shoot me down icon_neutral.gif)

    MtnRiderPotentially a evolutionary mechanism? Hypothetically, if a family were to have 10 sons and they were all straight, good chance to spread genetics. If a family had 10 sons where 9 were gay, only one can spread the family genes. Not sure where I'm going with this but maybe it could be beneficial? Thoughts?


    Nah, in that way being gay would only exist to hamper genetic variation. If there was only one male that mated in a family of ten, then the genetic variation of that society would decrease.

    Also, I'm the third son in my family of four boys, for what it matters.
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    Apr 21, 2012 9:03 AM GMT
    The assumption here being that there is some predetermined purpose to life? What will I do with all the existential angst I've been cultivating?

    Or just that there need be a purpose to gay life?

    If so, then does that there must be a reason for living reciprocate in a reason for not? What if evolution simply found no reason particularly good enough to end any specific variation such as being gay?

    What if evolution was Jewish. Born gay? It couldn't hurt!

    Or what if life just makes the best of its mistakes? Ooops, another gay one. Quick, somebody throw a dinner party.
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    Apr 21, 2012 9:13 AM GMT
    I read an article that hypothesised that homosexuality resulted from feminine psychological traits (empathy, tenderness, kindness). These psychological traits are biologically more attractive to females. So, genetically, for a heterosexual man to have the highest chances of courtship he would inherit as many of these traits as possible. BUT, a tipping point can be reached where if he has all the feminine traits he feels attracted to men and is homosexual.

    So the 'gay gene' is passed along because the genetically attractive heterosexuals are more likely to possess feminine psychological traits which is what gives rise to homosexuality.

    note: this isn't my opinion, just something interesting I read.

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    Apr 21, 2012 9:18 AM GMT
    theantijock saidThe assumption here being that there is some predetermined purpose to life?


    I don't think anyone assuming there is a predetermined purpose in the design sense - more that there is an evolutionary story to our existence.
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    Apr 21, 2012 9:51 AM GMT
    A very interesting topic I need to formulate a full response.
    Couple of things. Would it be likely something to do with starting off as an X chromosone?
    What interests me is when a family has all gay sons, could that be some kind of genetic control?

    I am the second eldest of 4 half sons, the youngest is gay too (just hasnt come out yet.)
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    Apr 21, 2012 9:53 AM GMT
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    Apr 21, 2012 11:43 AM GMT
    It could be that homosexuality was just one of the many normal aberrations that occur as living organisms propagate - i.e. genetic based. Societal pressure against it, however, forced gay men to take wives and reproduce thus propagating it.

    I like the irony of that situation. Religions which repress homosexuality inadvertently create more homosexuals hahahaha
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    Apr 21, 2012 11:49 AM GMT
    Voltaire saidIt could be that homosexuality was just one of the many normal aberrations that occur as living organisms propagate - i.e. genetic based. Societal pressure against it, however, forced gay men to take wives and reproduce thus propagating it.

    I like the irony of that situation. Religions which repress homosexuality inadvertently create more homosexuals hahahaha
    Love his reasoning +1 This*^
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    Apr 21, 2012 11:50 AM GMT
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    Apr 21, 2012 12:06 PM GMT
    [quote] Religions which repress homosexuality inadvertently create more homosexuals hahahaha[/quote]

    I used this as a Facebook quote and status update...just now.

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    Apr 21, 2012 12:07 PM GMT
    There's the question of HOW homosexuality happens, versus WHY it happens. I think the OP wants to know the latter.

    Since I'm not a scientist, I have to rely upon a more philosophical approach. The first thing I observe is that gays have existed throughout recorded history, and at what appears to be a fairly constant rate. That would argue against homosexuality being a random deviation that shows up like a life-threatening birth defect. It's persistence instead argues for it having a benefit.

    But that would appear to conflict with a Darwinian view of evolution, since a creature that does not reproduce cannot pass on any traits, gay ones or otherwise. Indeed, pure Darwinism has reproduction as the fundamental benefit, all other inherited traits being secondary to that one purpose of survival of the species.

    But in that phrase, which seems to confound us, may indeed lie the answer: survival of the SPECIES, not the individual. Gays do not benefit themselves, but rather, greater humanity, by providing special skills and labor. And that is why humanity keeps producing them, when they cannot (or will not) reproduce themselves.

    If humans lived solely in isolated family breeding units the issue of homosexuality might not arise. Indeed, it could indeed be seen as a detriment. And I notice that this image is at the core of anti-gay attitudes: family values, preserving the family unit, always family, family, family.

    Except, that isn't how humans actually live. We are social creatures, whose culture and civilization depends upon a highly complex interaction among its members. Despite the romantic and unrealistic view of the "rugged individualist" we in fact could not live in a modern world entirely on our own.

    And part of that life includes artistic and other creative endeavors. Tasks which gays can take because our lives aren't consumed with child rearing. Yet, at the same time, we can assist with child rearing as needed. I therefore see homosexuality much like other divisions of labor within society.

    Now you may say, yeah, but humans don't need a painting to survive as a species. I wouldn't be so sure. Painting and other uniquely human expressions may have been essential to our intellectual evolution, that made us as smart and successful as we are. We may crave certain intellectual pursuits as much as we crave food. And who says our evolution has reached its end? Some studies suggest we continue to evolve today.

    So that we gays are part of the entire fabric of human life, one of the many forces that drives & motivates us, even if we fail to see it ourselves. A world without gays might see the devolution of humanity, and we'd return to being the primitive apes we once were.
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    Apr 21, 2012 12:16 PM GMT
    I'm the youngest of four - 3 of us boys. I've certainly come across a lot of 'youngest in the family' gay friends, but then again I've seen gay twins, my bf is the oldest child, etc, so I don't really read into it other than for statistical fun.

    I'm not sure I agree with 'everything in the universe has a purpose' - that's what I'm struggling with. I get the concept but I look at a rock or star in the sky and wonder what their purpose is. In addition, man has created things - what about plastic? What fundamental use does plastic have for life going on thousands of years from now?

    So instead of thinking whether homosexuality is some kind of population-limiter, I just see it as a variation of human sexuality and, whatever it's true purpose, it's obvious role for the time being is a part of how we humans relate to one another - your gay lover, your gay friend, etc.
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    Apr 21, 2012 12:23 PM GMT
    is there a purpose to red hair?
    Most of us would say we were born gay/bi, so according to us, it is genetic. Or at the very least we would say its a combo of genetics and environmental factors.
    i dont care what some straight scientist has to say about it in all honesty.
    it would be like a woman reading a description on childbirth that was written by a man.
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    Apr 21, 2012 12:34 PM GMT
    So children can have FABULOUS uncles!
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    Apr 21, 2012 12:42 PM GMT
    Two words: population control

    I think it's nature's way of saying "OK, there's enough people in the world, soooo you guys just have sex for fun!" icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 21, 2012 12:44 PM GMT
    homosexuals have been around far longer that overpopulation js
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    Apr 21, 2012 12:49 PM GMT
    It gets back to competition and selection among mates. Not everybody gets to be Alpha Dog.

    That, and humans were/are in hella need of some fabulous. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 21, 2012 12:50 PM GMT
    Anduru saidhomosexuals have been around far longer that overpopulation js

    Well, there goes my hypothesis...
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    Apr 21, 2012 2:08 PM GMT
    I don't agree with the "everything in the universe has a purpose" but I do believe that everything is a result of something. That "something" is what we're trying to find.
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    Apr 21, 2012 2:15 PM GMT
    Homosexuality is one of nature's many ways of controlling population growth. Otherwise the planet would be overpopulated which could lead to famine and severe environmental damage.
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    Apr 21, 2012 2:24 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidglitter


    This....

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